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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNew Yorker: Nancy Pelosi, Impeachment and Places in History
"Crises make and break historical reputations. In our current constitutional emergency, a few unlikely figures, above all the former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, have upheld the rule of law, possibly redeeming their places in history. Many others, above all the current Attorney General, William Barr, seem determined to irretrievably sink theirs. Now the reputation at risk is that of the House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi.
With regard to the debate over the proper response to Donald Trumps brazen deeds, Pelosi has not taken impeachment off the table, saying, I dont think you should impeach for political reasons, and I dont think you should not impeach for political reasons. Yet political reasons seem to be preventing her from pursuing constitutional concerns. Her reasoning is clear: if the House were to launch an impeachment without overwhelming evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors and strong bipartisan public support, Trumps inevitable acquittal in the Republican-controlled Senate would only strengthen him, and he could cruise to reëlection. But, in this instance, Pelosis normally acute political judgment is failing her, and the historical precedent she is evidently relying onthe impeachment of President Bill Clintonis not analogous. In fact, based on the past half century of political history, suppressing an impeachment inquiry seems more likely to help insure Trumps reëlection. If this happens, Pelosis formidable reputation, based on a lifetime of public service and her role as the first female Speaker of the House, will suffer.
The basic historical error behind suppressing an impeachment inquiry confuses the genuine crisis surrounding Trump with the manufactured one that engulfed Clinton. In 1998, the House Republicans, lacking public support and all but assured that the Senate, though it was controlled by their own party, would not convict Clinton, impeached him anyway, which only served to win him sympathy and drive up his popularity ratings. Pelosi apparently sees the same thing happening now, but the two cases are very different.
When the scandal involving Clinton and Monica Lewinsky broke, in January of 1998, Republicans had been pursuing both Bill and Hillary Clinton for more than five years, and they had come up with nothing. In the view of most Americans, the Lewinsky story, although pathetic and unnerving, never amounted to a case sufficient to justify Clintons removal from office, even when attached to Clintons dissembling under oath about the matter. Moreover, Clinton, unlike Trump, was a broadly popular President: when the scandal broke, his approval rating hovered around sixty-six per cent; on the day he was impeached, it rose to seventy-three per cent; the week after his acquittal, it was the same as it had been at the beginning: sixty-six per cent."
More, including a comparison with the Nixon impeachment hearings: https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-and-places-in-history
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)A heavyweight.
...Pelosi, viewing the House and Senate proceedings narrowly, argues that Trump is best contested not with impeachment, which would be divisive, but by replaying the kitchen-table issues that won the Democrats the House majority in 2018health care, immigration, and climate change. But that strategy would commit the classic military blunder of fighting a war on the basis of the last successful campaign, regardless of the facts and context.
...In accepting her Profile in Courage Award, she said, In my public life, I have seen leaders who understood that their duty was not to do what was easy but what was right. She added, In the darkest hours of the American Revolution, Thomas Paine wrote, The times have found us . . . and today the times have found us to strengthen America. It is not about politics but about patriotism. The choice is hers. More than her reputation rests on it.
She's blowing it.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Why so many are fearful of Trump is beyond me.
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)Impeachment". FGS, she has denied Nadler at least twice when he wanted to start the impeachment process. We know she has kept the lid on her caucus on this grave matter. GMAB
Party over Country, just like the repubs.
Do what is right Speaker, or get out of the way.
Duncan Grant
(8,262 posts)There is no effective opposition party. Key word, effective.
How many instances have occurred in which any other president would have been impeached (if not convicted) within two weeks? Imagine President Obama in any of these forgotten scandals over the last few years. Imagine it.
And for those who say, but the senate - what a lazy system of thinking! Be better. High crimes and misdemeanors, remember?
We are telling ourselves this situation is ice cream when it clearly and conclusively isnt.
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melman
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kentuck
(111,079 posts)That her reputation will suffer.
"Will" suffer? 😂
diva77
(7,640 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,321 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)It is the right thing to do. Mueller's report lays it out for Congress. The process of holding hearings will deliver the evidence to the American people on a daily basis through televised hearings. It can only help to bring about the downfall of several Republican Senators by putting them on the spot for defending 45.
By not bringing an impeachment inquiry, Pelosi is avoiding the use of her Constitutional authority to end this national nightmare of the Trump regime. History will not treat her kindly.
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anarch
(6,535 posts)Which is looking more and more likely, in my opinion.
Can't really "look bad in retrospect" or whatever if nobody is left to remember you.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)but I can't because we're watching it happen.
The opposition (our party) is afraid to do anything at all.
The rule of law is dead.
Celerity
(43,314 posts)Massive fails all around, that will come back to bite us in the arse HARD.
If this had been a Democratic POTUS who did the same things Trump has done, they would have been drawn and quartered (and it WOULD have happened because many in our caucus would do the right thing and turn on them, we are not lawless scum Rethugs).