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lapucelle

(18,245 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:46 PM Jul 2019

Payments to company owned by Ocasio-Cortez aide come under scrutiny

From a March 5, 2019 WaPo story.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)’s chief of staff helped establish two political action committees that paid a company he ran more than $1 million in 2016 and 2017, federal campaign finance records show.

Brand New Congress LLC, the company owned by Saikat Chakrabarti, was also paid $18,880 for strategic consulting by Ocasio-Cortez’s congressional campaign in 2017, records show. The following year, he worked as a volunteer to manage her campaign, according to his LinkedIn profile.

The arrangement, first reported by conservative outlets, left hidden who ultimately profited from the payments — a sharp juxtaposition with Ocasio-Cortez’s calls for transparency in politics. She has called dark money “the enemy to democracy.”

snip=====================================================

Limited-liability companies, which in some states are not required to disclose details about their owners or spending, have played an increasing role in politics in recent years. Critics say such entities allow both donors and vendors to mask their activities, making it difficult for the public to trace who is giving to campaigns and profiting from them.

Brand New Congress LLC, initially called Brand New Campaign LLC, was formed by Chakrabarti to serve as a “campaign in a box, a one-stop vendor for communications, field, online organizing, fundraising and the like,” Mitrani said in his statement.

Among its clients were two PACs — Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress — which worked to recruit progressive and nontraditional candidates to run for Congress, he said.

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In 2016 and 2017, the two PACs reported paying the LLC $1.07 million, records show.

Campaign finance experts said the relationship between Chakrabarti’s PACs and the limited-liability company obfuscated who received the payments — and raised questions about who benefited.


On his LinkedIn page, Chakrabarti identifies himself as a co-founder of both groups.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/payments-to-corporation-owned-by-ocasio-cortez-aide-come-under-scrutiny/2019/03/05/ae5045ee-3f61-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html?utm_term=.1d8ff8c1c5a4

https://www.linkedin.com/in/saikatc
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Payments to company owned by Ocasio-Cortez aide come under scrutiny (Original Post) lapucelle Jul 2019 OP
this guy is all about himself. he worked on wall street and silicon valley JI7 Jul 2019 #1
Let's reserve judgment until all the facts are in? Ponietz Jul 2019 #6
We'll never know much about the payment.... George II Jul 2019 #12
If those details serve Drumpfuck by dividing us further I think we'll hear about them soon. Ponietz Jul 2019 #15
this has already been looked at stopdiggin Jul 2019 #53
it is from march///there is no there there questionseverything Jul 2019 #101
This weekend I find the timing of articles, statements, tweets, Ponietz Jul 2019 #103
Dog's got a bone... gtar100 Jul 2019 #2
What dog has what bone? What does that even mean? lapucelle Jul 2019 #3
See below for further explanation. n/t gtar100 Jul 2019 #49
Lol jberryhill Jul 2019 #10
What's funny? lapucelle Jul 2019 #16
Thanks, but we already fed our dog tonight. George II Jul 2019 #14
That is not very nice. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #18
I'm thinking that they are saying the OP has an ax to grind with AOC and or her chief of staff. UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #39
No, it's a saying. Not saying anything about the op. gtar100 Jul 2019 #45
You know perfectly well that's not what they meant melman Jul 2019 #46
Are you saying you'd rather this be covered up Cha Jul 2019 #20
Nope. Just that it will be used to to distract us from the core messages gtar100 Jul 2019 #48
No it won't.. her COS is doing that all by himself. Cha Jul 2019 #50
I hate that the right-wingers exposed this but OKNancy Jul 2019 #4
WaPo picked up the story and reported it as news. lapucelle Jul 2019 #7
I agree.. I have no problem with your post at all. OKNancy Jul 2019 #8
Thanks. Apparently somebody thinks a "dog has a bone". lapucelle Jul 2019 #9
But that person failed to disclose whether he or she thought that it was a prime soup bone, Blue_true Jul 2019 #11
Seems there is some scraps on this bone. Fuck em. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #40
I have a problem watoos Jul 2019 #77
I don't want her to resign. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #113
Yeah, he got called out on that one (and others) so deleted it, even though he stands by his point.. George II Jul 2019 #13
+1. Chakrabarti is a provocateur who couldn't care less about justice or democracy dalton99a Jul 2019 #22
I think you found the right word DFW Jul 2019 #121
Sharice Davids? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #17
That's disgusting. lapucelle Jul 2019 #21
Excellent question and I don't have a clue. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #24
Maybe she agrees with him and shares his views. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #55
Hardly surprising. Didn't the justice democrats support her primary opponent? GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #29
Yes they did, GulfCoast. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #30
I find the whole 'racist but does not know it' spin particularly insulting GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #33
Yes, as did Senator Sanders obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #65
Yep. They are playing from the same score. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #70
She is also a civil rights attorney obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #64
That she is, obamanut. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #72
How About This Me. Jul 2019 #5
I wish we had a like button here. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #25
Give her a break! sheshe2 Jul 2019 #31
Listen I Get Ticked With Schumer For The Same Reason Me. Jul 2019 #35
She has a chance to create jobs. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #37
I Absolutely Agree Me. Jul 2019 #38
That kind of reminds me of the insurance company that would never answer their telephone, TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #76
Chakabarti again.. what is Cha Jul 2019 #19
seeing as you made an OP of this RW-pushed tosh, I shall reply as I did when you slipped it into a Celerity Jul 2019 #23
I'm sure if you wanted to you could have found non-right wing sources for most, if not all... George II Jul 2019 #26
there are very few non RW stories on it, and I used a couple, plus it IS a RW-started story Celerity Jul 2019 #27
The OP was based on a Washington Post article. Ask trump if they're a "right wing" source. George II Jul 2019 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2019 #32
they got the story from RW sources, and it was a RW non profit who filed the complaint Celerity Jul 2019 #34
The OP's source is the Washington Post obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #66
yes, but WaPo is simplying reporting a RW-started, RW-spread (ALL before the WaPo story) series of Celerity Jul 2019 #68
Thank you Celerity LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #111
Boy, Talk About A HiJacking Me. Jul 2019 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2019 #43
Thirteen of those disgusting right wing sources post-date the Washinton Post story. lapucelle Jul 2019 #44
as I showed in multiple posts, the entire thing was started by a RW podcaster, then a RW non-profit Celerity Jul 2019 #67
Pls give us the short version. What's your take on this? Any merit to the allegations? brush Jul 2019 #52
There could be some merit, it certainly bears looking into.... George II Jul 2019 #57
Thanks. Sounds like some fast maneuvering going on with the funds. brush Jul 2019 #61
Here are some of the details (I did this earlier in the year, had to check the numbers): George II Jul 2019 #63
I think JD, OR, BNC and Chakrabarti Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #88
My link is to the Washington Post. lapucelle Jul 2019 #42
In addition, the tweets from Chakabarti speak for themselves still_one Jul 2019 #54
Chakrabarti gave an interview to the Washinton Post magazine that was published this week. lapucelle Jul 2019 #56
Thanks. The more he opens his mouth, the more he exposes himself still_one Jul 2019 #58
So he's putting money over the climate? George II Jul 2019 #59
It's been a while since it was last posted in March. Autumn Jul 2019 #60
Paul Krugman agreed that is was a dodgy attack on progressives Celerity Jul 2019 #62
Wow melman Jul 2019 #69
Yes. Autumn Jul 2019 #71
But that is not all that was said. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #74
Two things melman Jul 2019 #75
Well, melman. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #78
Two things melman Jul 2019 #79
... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #80
Oh? melman Jul 2019 #81
No. I don't. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #83
This melman Jul 2019 #106
oh melman. George II Jul 2019 #107
In the link you provided, sheshe didn't argue "quite forcefully that she was not betsuni Jul 2019 #112
Getting late, mel. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #116
... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #98
... betsuni Jul 2019 #109
Hugs. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #117
I am going to argue quite forcefully that there can never be too many facepalms in this matter. betsuni Jul 2019 #118
OMG sheshe2 Jul 2019 #119
Exactly!!! A perfect example of double speak. still_one Jul 2019 #82
When anyone says a person color actions are racist, they are calling them racist. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #84
I think all of this is just sour grapes on the part of Mr. Chakrabarti. Remember: George II Jul 2019 #86
LOL. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #87
That may have added insult to injury in the mind of Chakrabarti once Davids won... George II Jul 2019 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jul 2019 #96
77 to 7... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #97
I actually mistyped - it was 7 of 79, or 8.8% George II Jul 2019 #99
So it is worse. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #100
Yeah .. 95% of the candidates espousing that ideology LOST n/t Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #90
This is about Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, NOT AOC. Here's Cenk's explanation. lapucelle Jul 2019 #85
So says Cenk, the multi millionaire. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #94
Chakrabarti is a multi-millionaire, probably many times over. He was the founding engineer.... George II Jul 2019 #95
ty....speaking truth to power is so important questionseverything Jul 2019 #102
your username is, alas, becoming an extraordinarily tendentious and disliked way of carrying Celerity Jul 2019 #104
WHY is this guy running his mouth? He needs to STFU and just do his job. We have AOC to tweet shit UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #41
Sounds like he's working for trump rockfordfile Jul 2019 #47
Extra Rubles can't hurt n/t Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #92
When you want attention and to be noticed, expect scrutiny. elocs Jul 2019 #51
This is how you make it in Washington; make the opponents so petrified Tarc Jul 2019 #73
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #93
You really are petrified of what persons of color can accomplish in this country Tarc Jul 2019 #108
Petrified? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahah Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #110
339 Tarc Jul 2019 #120
Ummm. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jul 2019 #115
Agreed. ConnorMarc Jul 2019 #105
Chakrabarti will be falling on his sword again Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #91

JI7

(89,246 posts)
1. this guy is all about himself. he worked on wall street and silicon valley
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jul 2019

and this is most likely just another business deal for him.

Ponietz

(2,957 posts)
6. Let's reserve judgment until all the facts are in?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jul 2019

For instance, do you know what this company did and how much profit there was in the payment?
It’s a Friday evening news dump. We should all ask ourselves why, and why is Humpty Drumpfty piling on right now?

I’m not taking the bait just yet.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. We'll never know much about the payment....
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jul 2019

...Brand New Congress LLC isn't required to, nor will they, release any financial details of their organization.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
53. this has already been looked at
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jul 2019

Going after Chakrabarti for attacks on fellow Dems is fair game. He's quickly become a really unpopular guy. But .. allegations of financial malfeasance are not supported by any real evidence .. and mostly originate from "nuisance" ethic complaints filed by right wing political groups. Check numerous links downthread. AOC's political spending is likely no more convoluted (or likewise transparent) as many others in the same rank. So, hang the guy for being a race baiting pitbull .. but not a thief.

Ponietz

(2,957 posts)
103. This weekend I find the timing of articles, statements, tweets,
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:50 PM
Jul 2019

and, even, posts here on DU to be extremely curious, questionseverything—your moniker about sums up my attitude.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
18. That is not very nice.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jul 2019

You are referring to the Op, correct? That is what I am reading.

You are calling her a dog? So she is a *****?

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
39. I'm thinking that they are saying the OP has an ax to grind with AOC and or her chief of staff.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:48 PM
Jul 2019

And the OP is posting multiple threads about it. Dog got a bone that they don't want to let go of.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
45. No, it's a saying. Not saying anything about the op.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:07 PM
Jul 2019

It's strictly about the content. Media found some dirt on someone working with AOC, and rather than pay attention to the content of what AOC says (particularly about the mistreatment of children at the hands of ICE and border guards, corporate corruption of government, etc.), they will have pundits beat on this controversy and avoid the truly critical issues that affect us.

Dogs are awesome (I love dogs and never associate them with the b* word...that word no longer really has anything to do with dogs in our modern vernacular...it's been relegated to the swear word bucket for me). Give them a bone and they can be very aggressive and one-track-minded in wanting to hold onto it. That's where the saying comes from. Dog, in this case is the general media, more specifically, those who are more than happy to distract us from issues that really matter (especially if the distraction itself has some truth to it).

Cha

(297,136 posts)
20. Are you saying you'd rather this be covered up
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:40 PM
Jul 2019

about Chakabarti.. and you're "outraged" the OP is bringing this on a discussion board?




gtar100

(4,192 posts)
48. Nope. Just that it will be used to to distract us from the core messages
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jul 2019

we get from AOC and her legislative group about truly important issues that affect all of our lives. It may very well be true all they are saying about Chakrabarti and AOC will have to address it. But you can bet there are conservative repugs digging into the background of every one of AOC's staff to find a way to bring her down. Anything with substance will be latched onto with fury (your examples will suffice).

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
4. I hate that the right-wingers exposed this but
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jul 2019

she needs to get rid of him. He's a liability and I thought this before I even read this article.

He deleted a bunch of nasty tweets but I saved this one. Called out Sharice Davids of all people. Not sure if it is still there:


Julian Brave NoiseCat

@jnoisecat
· Jun 27, 2019
Replying to @jnoisecat @saikatc
Well looks like you deleted your tweet. Good on you


Saikat Chakrabarti
@saikatc
I think the point still stands. I don't think people have to be personally racist to enable a racist system. And the same could even be said of the Southern Democrats. I don't believe Sharice is a racist person, but her votes are showing her to enable a racist system.

3
6:35 PM - Jun 27, 2019

--- The deleted ones were worse--- btw, I'm not @jnoisecat

lapucelle

(18,245 posts)
7. WaPo picked up the story and reported it as news.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jul 2019

I don't think they would have done that if the story didn't have credibility.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. But that person failed to disclose whether he or she thought that it was a prime soup bone,
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jul 2019

or just a run of the mill bone. Stuff like that is important when throwing aspersions.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
77. I have a problem
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jul 2019

when the piece says the source was conservative sites. I want to know who the conservative sites are that the WaPost is quoting.

AOC should just resign and Dems can give Crowley back his job. A once in a lifetime charismatic Democrat comes along and both sides are fighting to see who can take her down first.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
113. I don't want her to resign.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:45 AM
Jul 2019
watoos

77. I have a problem

when the piece says the source was conservative sites. I want to know who the conservative sites are that the WaPost is quoting.

AOC should just resign and Dems can give Crowley back his job.



Yet no one came close to asking her to resign, now did they.? I want her COS to resign for what he said about Rep. Sharice Davids. Frankly I am shocked that she does not stand with a fellow woman of color (another newly elected Congresswoman) over her COS calling an American Native a racist enabler.

A once in a lifetime charismatic Democrat comes along and both sides are fighting to see who can take her down first.


Wow. She has been here 6 months and you say she is "A once in a lifetime charismatic Democrat comes along and both sides are fighting to see who can take her down first."

I guess you forgot a man. A minority. Our first Black President for 8 years. I guess you forgot this man and his wife a decedent of slaves. Both were vilified and the GOP was not the only one to do so. McConnell and his troup met on election night and vowed to make him a one term President.A Senator called for him to be primaried for his second term. Please don't tell me about wanting to take someone down. Obama was vilified on DU.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Yeah, he got called out on that one (and others) so deleted it, even though he stands by his point..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:47 PM
Jul 2019

...that Sharice Davids is enabling a racist system.

Someone got a screen shot of it before deleted:

DFW

(54,341 posts)
121. I think you found the right word
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jul 2019

"Provocateur" describes him exactly. He gets off on this kind of thing. He is more interested in stiring up trouble than solving it. At least, that's how it seems, and he doesn't seem overly interested in changing that perception. That's his business, and it is equally AOC's business as to whether or not she wishes to keep him on. As long as she is aware of the ramifications of all this, I'm perfectly willing to let the chips lie where they fall. It would worry me a lot more if she were totally unaware of what was going on around her due to Chakrabarti's continued status as her Chief of Staff.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
17. Sharice Davids?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:18 PM
Jul 2019

One of two ever Native Americans to be elected to congress and he is calling her a racist enabler. O.M.G.This man has to go.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
24. Excellent question and I don't have a clue.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jul 2019

Interesting that she took to twitter to accuse Pelosi of targeting, I think she called them the quad, women of color. She seems to have no problem when her COS calls women of color racist enablers. Where is her outrage?

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
30. Yes they did, GulfCoast.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jul 2019

Amazing he would go after a woman of color while defending women of color.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
33. I find the whole 'racist but does not know it' spin particularly insulting
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jul 2019

And cowardly. He had to find a way to call her racist while having plausible deniability. Obviously well thought out. Disgusting.

They may soon find out the incredible power a speaker of the house has. So far Speaker Pelosi has been patient.

But if she reaches the point where some are seen as a liability in 2020, the Hammer of Thor will be thrown. To publicly distance them from the party at large. I hope it does not come to that, but I’m afraid it is getting close.

Really, comparing African American Southern Democratic representatives to segregation Democrats is about as far over the pale of any insult I have ever seen by a supposed democrat.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
70. Yep. They are playing from the same score.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jul 2019

That’s been obviously all along.

Many here, even her waining supporters have wonder why AOC has not dug into the nitty gritty of governing and learning how to accomplish things by building coalitions and winning allies.

Some are not surprised.

Most of this crop of freshman democrats are working hard to become leaders in the house for the next several decades. Which involved give and trade and winning trust. Just like all endeavors in life. That’s not the goal of all of them.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
5. How About This
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:22 PM - Edit history (1)

she doesn't really have a district office of her own currently though there is talk of construction.

Allowances
“Each member receives the same amount of MRA funds for personal expenses. Allowances for office expenses vary from member to member based on the distance between the member's home district and Washington, D.C., and the average rent for office space in the member's home district. Allowances for mailing vary based on the number of residential mailing addresses in the member's home district as reported by the U.S. Census Bureau.

In 2016, each member’s MRA increased by 1% from the 2015 level, and the MRAs range from $1,207,510 to $1,383,709, with an average of $1,268,520.

Most of each member's annual MRA allowance is used to pay their office personnel. In 2016, for example, the office personnel allowance for each member was $944,671.”

https://www.thoughtco.com/allowances-to-members-of-congress-3322261

Me.

(35,454 posts)
35. Listen I Get Ticked With Schumer For The Same Reason
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jul 2019

No one answers, can't leave a message, click. What the heck? And I haven't visited her on the web but with Schumer you practically have to fill out a dossier.

She's new to this, don't her constituents, they who put her on the map, deserve better from her. The money is there to hire staff and give them places to sit and answer the phone so what's the deal?

TexasTowelie

(112,102 posts)
76. That kind of reminds me of the insurance company that would never answer their telephone,
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jul 2019

but they have a fax number so you can submit your claim. Except most people had already stopped using fax machines by that point.



BTW, that insurance company was put into receivership a year or so later after I reported it to the appropriate personnel at the state insurance department.

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
23. seeing as you made an OP of this RW-pushed tosh, I shall reply as I did when you slipped it into a
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jul 2019

thread earlier.

It is a RW-generated (literally) story and amplified 90% plus of the time via RW outlets.



A conservative group alleges Ocasio-Cortez and her allies ran a PAC scam. But there's no evidence of wrongdoing.
While the structure of her campaign and its vendors might be confusing, it's not illegal, campaign finance experts said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-did-ocasio-cortez-her-team-break-campaign-finance-n980121

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's congressional campaign has come under scrutiny in recent days for what a conservative group has alleged is a massive violation of campaign finance law. The National Legal and Policy Center filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission on Tuesday, alleging that the New York Democrat and her allies used a corporation to skirt campaign finance reporting laws. The complaint comes after a number of conservative-leaning outlets said Ocasio-Cortez broke campaign finance laws when she hired her boyfriend for marketing work.

David Mitrani, an attorney representing Ocasio-Cortez's campaign and the related organizations named in the FEC complaint, pushed back strongly on the reports in a statement Wednesday, saying that the entities "have at all times been conducted fully in compliance with federal campaign finance laws." Ocasio-Cortez herself denied the allegation on Tuesday to Fox News: "There is no violation."

Campaign finance experts, meanwhile, told NBC News that while the structure of her campaign and its vendors might be confusing, there's no evidence of some kind of million-dollar scam as has been alleged in news reports.

snip


Conservative Ethics Group Files Campaign Spending Complaint Against Rep. Ocasio-Cortez and Her Chief of Staff
Lawyers for Ocasio-Cortez say she and other Democrat activists "fully complied with the law and the highest ethical standards."


https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/07/aoc-chief-of-staff/

snip

The complaint states that the Policy Center “has found reason to believe [the] Respondents knowingly and willfully violated 2 U.S.C. 434(b)(5)(A),” a provision of U.S. campaign finance law that requires the treasurer of any registered political committee to report the name and address of anyone who receives more than $200 in campaign-related spending from that committee, along with the dates and purpose of that spending.

In a lengthy and detailed statement sent to Snopes, attorneys for Ocasio-Cortez and the PACs accused in the complaint said all their activities had “fully complied with the law and the highest ethical standards.”

snip


Crucially, the attorneys emphasized that the way the committees described the services provided by the company was, in brief, no less specific than the law required it to be: “Brand New Congress LLC received guidance from the Federal Election Commission as to how payments from the PACs and the various candidates to Brand New Congress LLC would need to be reported. Consistent with FEC regulations, precedent and practice, the FEC’s Reports and Analysis Division confirmed that payments by the PACs and candidates to this vendor, Brand New Congress LLC, did not need to be broken out by subcategories of service, nor would subvendors need to be itemized.”

The FEC’s website itself stipulates that “strategy consulting” is an adequately specific description of services rendered in return for PAC spending. Whether the activities of the PACs or the company violated campaign finance law, or whether the complaint has any merit, will be matters for the FEC to decide. A spokesperson confirmed to Snopes that the FEC had received the complaint but said they were legally prevented from offering any further comment.

snip



I say RW talking points because it was a RW started complaint and is 90% plus covered by RW sites











Rightwing targets Saikat Chakrabarti, chief-of-staff of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
AOC denies any impropriety in campaign financing and says “there is no violation,” and “I am 100 percent people-funded”

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The conservative media that has obsessed over Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D.-N.Y.) since the 29-year-old progressive firebrand’s advent on Capitol Hill, warning that she’s a dangerous radical socialist, are chomping at the bit after a far-right watchdog group on March 4 filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission accusing Ocasio-Cortez’s chief-of-staff Saikat Chakrabarti of illegally funneling campaign donations to a company he owned.

Led by the likes of Fox News’ prime-time line up of President Trump’s acolytes—Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham—the conservative media pilloried Ocasio-Cortez, branding her a hypocrite for her mantra of calling for transparency in politics and that dark money is “the enemy of democracy,” even as her top aide was hiding these transfers of nearly $1 million from two political actions committees he established to his Brand New Congress LLC in 2016 and 2017. During this time period, both PACs had raised about $3.3 million.

The Fox triumvirate also made the giant leap of declaring that Ocasio-Cortez and her man Friday, Chakrabarti could go to jail for these violations, although FEC officials dismissed such dire predictions and explained that any such indictments could only be pursued if it were proven that the complaint had merit and the alleged conspirators “knowingly and willfully” violated campaign finance laws.

Ocasio-Cortez buttonholed by reporters as she was leaving her Capitol Hill office on March 5, denied any impropriety, saying, “There is no violation,” and asserting that “I’m 100 percent people-funded.”

snip

George II

(67,782 posts)
26. I'm sure if you wanted to you could have found non-right wing sources for most, if not all...
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:20 PM
Jul 2019

....of that. And many of them have quite a bit of truth, it's not a right wing generated story.

As for the money "angle", most is readily available in the filings on the FEC.gov website.

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
27. there are very few non RW stories on it, and I used a couple, plus it IS a RW-started story
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jul 2019

The group that filed the initial complaint is a RW group, and RW media has taken off and ran with it.

Whats next, Judicial Watch attacks posted against Democrats you or other do not happen to care for?

Response to George II (Reply #28)

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
34. they got the story from RW sources, and it was a RW non profit who filed the complaint
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jul 2019




The National Legal and Policy Center

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Legal_and_Policy_Center

The National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a right-leaning 501(c)(3) non-profit group that monitors and reports on the ethics of public officials, supporters of liberal causes, and labor unions in the United States. The Center files complaints with government agencies, legally challenges what they view as abuse and corruption, and publishes reports. The NLPC is described as conservative in nature.The NLPC's current chairman is Peter Flaherty.

The NLPC was founded in 1991 following the release of the Senate Ethics Committee report into the Keating Five.

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Lawsuit v. Hillary Healthcare Task Force

NLPC was a plaintiff in the successful 1993 lawsuit to open the meetings and records of Hillary Clinton's health care task force.

On February 24, 1993, Hillary Rodham Clinton and the six Cabinet members serving on the task force were sued under the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by NLPC, along with two other groups, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and the American Council for Health Care Reform. FACA requires government task forces to conduct its affairs in public if non-government employees, or "outsiders," take part.[5]

On March 10, 1993, Judge Royce Lamberth ruled that the task force had to open its meetings to the plaintiffs and the media.[6] Lamberth ruled that the "official" members of the task force, meaning the First Lady and the Cabinet Secretaries who comprised its membership, could not meet in secret because Clinton was not a government employee. But Lamberth also ruled that all the other people working on the plan, who were organized into "sub-groups," could continue to work in secret, because FACA was never meant to apply to staff.

Lamberth's ruling was appealed by the White House, and was overturned on June 22, 1993 after the task force had supposedly already disbanded on May 30. Justice Department lawyers argued that since Hillary Rodham Clinton "functions in both a legal and practical sense as part of the government," her participation in the task force should not trigger FACA. A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit agreed.


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Auto Bailout and 2014 General Motors Recall

NLPC was a high-profile critic of the bailout of the auto industry by the United States government. NLPC’s spokesman was Mark Modica, a former Saturn dealer business manager and wiped-out GM bondholder. Following a demand by NLPC, General Motors in 2014 recalled 1.3 million vehicles with a steering loss defect uncovered by Modica.

Senator Robert Menendez

Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) was indicted in April 2015, along with Dr. Salomon Melgen, his largest campaign contributor, partly on the basis of information made public by NLPC through a front-page New York Times story on February 1, 2013. Melgen is a wealthy south Florida eye doctor who was born in the Dominican Republic and is a naturalized U.S. citizen.

The charges related to Menendez’ attempts to derail a Medicare fraud investigation into Melgen’s practice and securing visas for three Melgen “girlfriends.” The indictment also alleged that Menendez pushed a port security deal in the Dominican Republic that would have provided a windfall for Melgen. In return, the indictment alleges Melgen provided Menendez with private jet ride rides, Dominican vacations, and donations to his legal defense fund. Information on the port security deal was provided by NLPC to the Times.

The Justice Department chose not to retry Menendez after his trial ended in a mistrial on November 16, 2017. On August 8, 2018, NLPC filed a Freedom of Information Act request for documents pertaining to the prosecution and the decision not to retry Menendez. Then-NLPC Chairman Ken Boehm suggested that Menendez was the beneficiary of political influence by pointing out that Menendez’ lawyer is Abbe Lowell, who also represents Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law. Kushner and his family are longtime donors to Democratic politicians in New Jersey, including Menendez.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

NLPC filed a Complaint with the Federal Election Commission on March 4, 2019 against Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and her chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti, alleging that they orchestrated an extensive operation to hide hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign spending during the 2018 campaign.

Rep. Maxine Waters

NLPC filed two Complaints, currently pending, against Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) with the Federal Election Commission alleging campaign finance violations in relation to her so-called slate mailer.

The first, filed on July 26, 2018, alleges that Waters violated federal election law by accepting a payment to her campaign fund from the Democratic State Central Committee of California (DSCCC) in the amount of $35,000 for the inclusion of then-Senate candidate, and now Senator Kamala Harris, on Waters’ slate mailer. Whereas candidates like Harris may legally pay Waters’ campaign for the proportional costs of their inclusion on her slate mailer, it is not legal for such payment to be made by a third party like the DSCCC.

The second, filed in October 2018, alleges that Waters violated federal election law by accepting a $25,000 payment to her campaign fund from a group called “Families and Teachers for Antonio.” The payment was to include former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on the mailer, who was running for Governor. Whereas candidates like Villaraigosa may legally pay Waters’ campaign for the proportional costs of their inclusion on her slate mailer, it is not legal for such payment to be made by a third party.[26][27][28]

Rep. Elijah Cummings

On May 20, 2019, NLPC filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service against the Center for Global Policy Solutions (CGPS), a nonprofit headed by Maya Rockeymoore Cummings, wife of Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD). Mrs. Cummings is also the principal in Global Policy Solutions, LLC, a for-profit Limited Liability Corporation that the Complaint charges is “impermissibly entwined” with the nonprofit.

Constitutional Challenge to Mueller Authority

NLPC is providing financial and logistical support to a constitutional challenge to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment and authority by Andrew Miller, a former aide to indicted GOP operative Roger Stone, who has been subpoenaed in the case. Miller is represented by constitutional and appellate attorney Paul Kamenar, who is working on a partial pro bono basis.

NLPC Chairman Peter Flaherty told the New York Times on June 28, 2018, “The founders feared exactly what we see in Mueller: a runaway federal official. We hope to see Mueller’s operation disbanded, once and for all.”


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AOC’s chief of staff ran $1M slush fund by diverting campaign cash to his own companies

by Alana Goodman
| March 04, 2019 03:34 PM <<<< BEFORE WaPo and a RW rag

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies


also before (I can go on and on)

WND
COMPLAINT: OCASIO-CORTEZ'S CHIEF OF STAFF RAN $1M SLUSH FUND
FEC alerted to alleged diversion of campaign cash to his companies
Published: 03/04/2019 at 6:27 PM <<<< BEFORE WaPo and a RW site

https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/complaint-ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund/



and going deeper (and this is what kicked off the RW firm to file a complaint in the first place)


PAC aligned with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez paid boyfriend $6G for marketing work
Published February 21
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pac-aligned-with-ocasio-cortez-paid-6g-her-boyfriend-for-marketing-work


these RW POS keep running with all this bullshit even though most all of it is bebunked

here is a debunking BEFORE Fox New ran with that last one


No, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Didn't Hire Her Boyfriend Riley Roberts As A Staffer

ANDREA GONZÁLEZ-RAMÍREZ
LAST UPDATED FEBRUARY 15, 2019, 8:00 PM

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/02/224559/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-boyfriend-riley-roberts-congress-staff-email

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez found herself at the center of another right-wing Twitter conspiracy Friday morning, after a Republican strategist falsely claimed that she had employed her longtime partner Riley Roberts as a paid congressional staffer. The New York congresswoman and her team corrected the record, saying this is not true.

Conservative podcast host Luke Thompson first made the claims. Taking a screenshot from an unknown source, he tweeted: "While you were having a nice Valentine's Day, @AOC decided to put her boyfriend on staff - drawing a salary on the taxpayer's dime. Nice to see her adapting to the swamp so quickly." (The tweet was temporarily taken down because the screenshot, which includes Roberts' email and phone number, was said to be in violation of Twitter's terms of service.)


Ocasio-Cortez was quick to debunk the claim, clarifying that Roberts obtained an official House email address in order to get access to her calendar. "Actually this cal designation is a permission so he can have access to my Google Cal. Congressional spouses get Gcal access all the time. Next time check your facts before you tweet nonsense," she tweeted.




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this whole story(s) is RW-started and RW-spread tosh

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
68. yes, but WaPo is simplying reporting a RW-started, RW-spread (ALL before the WaPo story) series of
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:27 PM
Jul 2019

RW attacks.

Here again is a very detailed and linked post I just did showing this all.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post67

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
111. Thank you Celerity
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jul 2019

Not that the AOC haters both in the right wing and conservative Democrats in Washington and here will relent. She dares to demand progress on issues. Some really don't like being exposed and embarrassed.

Response to Me. (Reply #36)

lapucelle

(18,245 posts)
44. Thirteen of those disgusting right wing sources post-date the Washinton Post story.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jul 2019

Does WaPo own a TARDIS?

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
67. as I showed in multiple posts, the entire thing was started by a RW podcaster, then a RW non-profit
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jul 2019

took up the cause, and RW media jumped on the bandwagon, all BEFORE the WaPo story on the 5th.

The Washington Post was not the original source of anything to do with either story. (either the bogus boyfriend being paid story, which then led to the RW National Legal and Policy Center filing new charges.)

Here is a RW story about the WaPo subject BEFORE the WaPo one (no Tardis needed, lolol)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies


It makes no difference if some of the RW articles are after the WaPo article as they are the RW media and groups started it BEFORE WaPo even reported on it, and also the RWers were keeping it alive (thus you will find article on it after the Post article).


here again is the timeline and verification tht it WAS RW started and pushed

A conservative group alleges Ocasio-Cortez and her allies ran a PAC scam. But there's no evidence of wrongdoing.
While the structure of her campaign and its vendors might be confusing, it's not illegal, campaign finance experts said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-did-ocasio-cortez-her-team-break-campaign-finance-n980121

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's congressional campaign has come under scrutiny in recent days for what a conservative group has alleged is a massive violation of campaign finance law. The National Legal and Policy Center filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission on Tuesday, alleging that the New York Democrat and her allies used a corporation to skirt campaign finance reporting laws. The complaint comes after a number of conservative-leaning outlets said Ocasio-Cortez broke campaign finance laws when she hired her boyfriend for marketing work.


David Mitrani, an attorney representing Ocasio-Cortez's campaign and the related organizations named in the FEC complaint, pushed back strongly on the reports in a statement Wednesday, saying that the entities "have at all times been conducted fully in compliance with federal campaign finance laws." Ocasio-Cortez herself denied the allegation on Tuesday to Fox News: "There is no violation."

Campaign finance experts, meanwhile, told NBC News that while the structure of her campaign and its vendors might be confusing, there's no evidence of some kind of million-dollar scam as has been alleged in news reports.

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here is an article from WEEKS before the WaPo article that shows how this all got started


No, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Didn't Hire Her Boyfriend Riley Roberts As A Staffer

ANDREA GONZÁLEZ-RAMÍREZ
LAST UPDATED FEBRUARY 15, 2019, 8:00 PM

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/02/224559/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-boyfriend-riley-roberts-congress-staff-email

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez found herself at the center of another right-wing Twitter conspiracy Friday morning, after a Republican strategist falsely claimed that she had employed her longtime partner Riley Roberts as a paid congressional staffer. The New York congresswoman and her team corrected the record, saying this is not true.

Conservative podcast host Luke Thompson first made the claims. Taking a screenshot from an unknown source, he tweeted: "While you were having a nice Valentine's Day, @AOC decided to put her boyfriend on staff - drawing a salary on the taxpayer's dime. Nice to see her adapting to the swamp so quickly." (The tweet was temporarily taken down because the screenshot, which includes Roberts' email and phone number, was said to be in violation of Twitter's terms of service.)


Ocasio-Cortez was quick to debunk the claim, clarifying that Roberts obtained an official House email address in order to get access to her calendar. "Actually this cal designation is a permission so he can have access to my Google Cal. Congressional spouses get Gcal access all the time. Next time check your facts before you tweet nonsense," she tweeted.




snapshot of that tweet





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Both stories were RW-started and RW-spread and certainly not original work by WaPo, so nope no Tardis needed by them, as they were reporting after it all was long out of the bag


Paul Krugman sums it up







Paul Krugman

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Aha -- so that's where the "lock her up" thing about AOC is coming from; some of her campaign funds went to a consulting group, which is ... normal practice and completely legal. But if a progressive does it, it becomes a huge scandal.,

Brendan Fischer
@brendan_fischer

Setting up a PAC to recruit candidates and solicit contributions for candidates is legal.
Setting up an LLC to provide campaign consulting services to that PAC and those candidates is also legal.


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George II

(67,782 posts)
57. There could be some merit, it certainly bears looking into....
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jul 2019

From the limited FEC information available (Chakrabarti's newest company is an LLC) there are curious financial transactions between Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, and also between Justice Democrats/Brand New Congress and Brand New Congress LLC (no requirement to reveal financial transactions).

And check the various addresses of these PACs and a candidate or two. They all started out at 714 South Gay Street in Knoxville, TN.

Again, much of this, but not all (due to the LLC in the mix) is available on FEC.gov. This is definitely not a right wing talking point.

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. Here are some of the details (I did this earlier in the year, had to check the numbers):
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jul 2019

First there are TWO LLCs, Brand New Congress and Brand New Campaign. Both of those as well and Justice Democrats (PAC) and Brand New Congress (PAC) were founded by Chakrabarti (Justice Democrats had several founders as well as Chakrabarti)

Justice Democrats (PAC):

$605,849 to Brand New Congress LLC

Brand New Congress (PAC):

$261,165 to Brand New Congress LLC
$205,154 to Brand New Campaign LLC

More than $1 million has been paid to the LLCs founded by Chakrabarti by two PAC founded by Chakrabarti.

These are facts taken from FEC.gov filings by the two. Unfortunately, being LLCs, no financial data is available for Brand New Congress and Brand New Campaign.

Yes, I'd say there is fast maneuvering going on with the funds.

 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
88. I think JD, OR, BNC and Chakrabarti
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jul 2019

are all pockets of Cenk Uygur's jacket.

They keep shifting money from one into another until more money comes in from dark, anonymous sources.

The whole operation is suspicious and should be investigated by forensic accountants.

lapucelle

(18,245 posts)
42. My link is to the Washington Post.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jul 2019

I don't go into sewers looking for dirt. My advice is that other people avoid them as well.



lapucelle

(18,245 posts)
56. Chakrabarti gave an interview to the Washinton Post magazine that was published this week.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jul 2019
Chakrabarti had an unexpected disclosure. “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal,” he said, “is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.” Ricketts [climate director for Jay Inslee] greeted this startling notion with an attentive poker face. “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Chakrabarti continued. “Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/07/10/feature/how-saikat-chakrabarti-became-aocs-chief-of-change/?utm_term=.2c5462b3dc83

Autumn

(45,049 posts)
60. It's been a while since it was last posted in March.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jul 2019

I do wonder why when it was posted in March the person posting this story posted on that thread that everyone knew nothing was wrong and the arrangement was legal?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211894969

8. Everyone agrees that Ocasio-Cortez did nothing wrong and that the arrangement was legal

Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats should have been more transparent.

Campaign finance experts said the relationship between Chakrabarti’s PACs and the limited-liability company obfuscated who received the payments — and raised questions about who benefited.

“In a normal situation, if all you saw was a PAC that disbursed hundreds of thousands of dollars to an affiliated entity to pay the salaries of people who were really working for the PAC, that looks like . . . a PAC that takes in money to engage in political activity but is actually enriching its owners,” said Adav Noti, former Federal Election Commission lawyer who is now chief of staff of the Campaign Legal Center, a group that advocates for greater transparency in campaign finance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/payments-to-corporation-owned-by-ocasio-cortez-aide-come-under-scrutiny/2019/03/05/ae5045ee-3f61-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html?utm_term=.fc8a3ff34144

https://campaignlegal.org/about

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
62. Paul Krugman agreed that is was a dodgy attack on progressives
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:54 PM
Jul 2019



Paul Krugman

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Follow Follow @paulkrugman
More Paul Krugman Retweeted Brendan Fischer

Aha -- so that's where the "lock her up" thing about AOC is coming from; some of her campaign funds went to a consulting group, which is ... normal practice and completely legal. But if a progressive does it, it becomes a huge scandal.,

Brendan Fischer
@brendan_fischer

Setting up a PAC to recruit candidates and solicit contributions for candidates is legal.
Setting up an LLC to provide campaign consulting services to that PAC and those candidates is also legal.


Show this thread
2:37 PM - 6 Mar 2019
319 Retweets 1,310 Likes


 

melman

(7,681 posts)
69. Wow
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jul 2019

You mean to tell me the OP of this very thread said the following?

--

8. Everyone agrees that Ocasio-Cortez did nothing wrong and that the arrangement was legal

--

That is very interesting.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
74. But that is not all that was said.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jul 2019
No one is alleging that Ocasio-Cortez did anything wrong or that she even knew about the arrangement. The story in WaPO is not about her. It's about Saikat Chakrabarti.

https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=44209287&default=contributor


Yes it happened in March but things change as we all know. The point was that it is her COS that is being questioned here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211894969#post7

Fact is as of today she has not called out her COS for calling a woman of color (Sharice Davids) a racist while defending the honor of the 'squad' a name they call themselves after accusing Pelosi for calling out WOC.

You are good with Chak calling Sharice Davids a racist? Alrighty then. So what you are saying, it is okay for some women of color to be called racists and not others. Please correct me if I am wrong, yet have only seen you defend AOC and not Davids.


 

melman

(7,681 posts)
75. Two things
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:12 PM
Jul 2019

1. He did not call her a racist.

2. The discussion had nothing to do with the Squad.


Have you even seen the original twitter thread?




btw, speaking of the Squad, I recall you were quite fond of Ayanna Pressley back in January.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211671721


What happened there? Let me guess..you found out she's actually a progressive.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
78. Well, melman.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jul 2019
melman

75. Two things

1. He did not call her a racist.


My bad, he only said she was enabling racists. And before you start...saying she enables a "racist system" is calling her a racist.


Davids has also voiced support for Dreamers and, in a political podcast last year, expressed a willingness to defund Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a position typically associated with progressives like Ocasio-Cortez.

Doubling down on his criticism, Chakrabarti added, “I don’t believe Sharice is a racist person, but her votes are showing her to enable a racist system.”

In a public jab at the chief of staff, the House Democrats’ account posted a screenshot of Chakrabarti’s old tweet on Friday, asking why he was singling out Davids and telling him to “keep her name out of your mouth.” The account also accused him of “singling out a Native American woman of color.”





https://www.huffpost.com/entry/house-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-saikat-chakrabarti_n_5d29dd8be4b02a5a5d5b68b0

btw, speaking of the Squad, I recall you were quite fond of Ayanna Pressley back in January.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211671721


What happened there? Let me guess..you found out she's actually a progressive.


Oh, melman. Frankly other than being caught up in the so named squad I am still very impressed with her. Was then and am now I don't see her tweeting a dozen times a day. Fact is she is actually is focused on her job and her constituents. She is not from my distinct, yet from MA and I love our representatives here.

Now this is just silly:

What happened there? Let me guess..you found out she's actually a progressive.

Fact is, mel? I am a Democrat and so is she. I support Democrats, always. Ya'll can give yourself and tag ya want. I am a Democrat.

Thanks so much! Great talking to as always, melman.






 

melman

(7,681 posts)
79. Two things
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:54 PM
Jul 2019

1. That's not the whole thread


2. No, it's actually not the same.


As for the rest of that stuff....



 

melman

(7,681 posts)
106. This
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:25 PM
Jul 2019

second response here

over two hours later, btw...

That second response indicates otherwise.

You can pretend you don't like AOC because she "tweets two dozen times a day" or she wants to be famous..etc. and whatever other nonsense.

But the real reason you don't like her is because you think she's too left. Because she's a progressive.

And as far as Ayanna Pressley, do you think it's by accident she aligns herself with Omar, Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez? It's not.









In January you argued quite forcefully that she was not a progressive.

You were very determined to make that point..[here




It clearly mattered a lot then. Now that there's no doubt she is a progressive we're supposed to believe it no longer matters?

I don't. You can "oh melman" and , and post all the face-palm gifs you want..but I don't believe you.

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
112. In the link you provided, sheshe didn't argue "quite forcefully that she was not
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jul 2019

a progressive." She said that Pressley was a Hillary supporter "Bringing Hill's progressive platform forward."

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
116. Getting late, mel.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:57 AM
Jul 2019

Just gonna respond to one part of your post.

You are scaring me a bit following me. This is the third time you have dug up my posts to make a point, when in fact you need to reread cause you are waaaay of base.

Okay.

melman

106. This

In January you argued quite forcefully that she was not a progressive.

You were very determined to make that point..[here]


Gonna add my posts here so all can read where I forcefully (your words) said she wasn't a progressive admired Pressley and her endorsement by our AG Maura Healey.

We will start here, mel.


Star Member sheshe2 (56,751 posts)

119. And a Hillary Supporter!!!!

Bringing Hills progressive platform forward!

Awesome win, I agree. She was not in my district so was not able to vote for her.


Star Member sheshe2 (56,751 posts)

112. This woman was a HUGE ENDORSEMENT

Ayanna Pressley Just Landed a Huge Endorsement: Maura Healey

Once thought of as kind of a long shot, Ayanna Pressley’s bid for long-term incumbent Michael Capuano’s seat in Congress is looking pretty formidable right about now. Maura Healey, Massachusetts’ influential Attorney General, announced Monday morning that she is backing Pressley in the primary.

“Ayanna isn’t just my City Councilor. She’s not just my partner in government. She’s someone who shares our values, and our priorities, who I’ve depended on for years,” Healey wrote in a statement she shared on Twitter. She added: “Ayanna stood by me and supported me in my first campaign, at a time very few elected leaders were willing to take a chance on an outsider candidate like me.”




https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/07/30/ayanna-pressley-maura-healey/


Star Member sheshe2 (56,751 posts)

115. Not that I have heard or seen.

As you stated, nothing on Ayanna's page. I have tried google...nothing, George


Star Member sheshe2 (56,751 posts)

14. Also endorsed by our AG Maura Healey.

I have the utmost respect for Healey. No mention of them on her site? Not surprised, they all just want to jump on her win.

Thanks, seaglass.


Late and gonna go. NOWHERE did I argue she was not progressive, forcefully or otherwise. Just because I don't trust JD does not mean I don't like the candidate or support her. Not my district and I can't vote for her. However I voted for Healey. Maura Healey first openly gay AG supports her and so do I.

As I said to you before as you follow me around, I am not into labels, that is your thing. I don't need a label to define me. I am a Democrat. Period. Full Stop.

Now I ask you, melman to back off and stop researching me and my posts and leave the hell alone. Stalking is not good. Not good at all.



betsuni

(25,456 posts)
118. I am going to argue quite forcefully that there can never be too many facepalms in this matter.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:18 AM
Jul 2019

I am very determined to make that point.

still_one

(92,130 posts)
82. Exactly!!! A perfect example of double speak.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 08:07 PM
Jul 2019

He never said she was a racist, or the Democratic leadership, or anyone who he disagrees with, just that their actions are racist

What a lame and shallow excuse to excuse an obvious insinuation





sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
84. When anyone says a person color actions are racist, they are calling them racist.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jul 2019

Agreed, still_one.

George II

(67,782 posts)
86. I think all of this is just sour grapes on the part of Mr. Chakrabarti. Remember:
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jul 2019

This is the candidate that his PAC Justice Democrats, BS, and his current "boss" campaigned hard against. Maybe his ego was damaged when his white male candidate was defeated in the primary by a Native American gay woman. This was also the campaign from which this now infamous video came, recorded on BS' instagram account ("let's flip this seat red in November":

George II

(67,782 posts)
89. That may have added insult to injury in the mind of Chakrabarti once Davids won...
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:12 PM
Jul 2019

It was also a bitter primary/general election season for his PAC's endorsed candidates. At last count Justice Democrats endorsed 77 candidates (including one republican!!!), and only seven won.

Of those seven, three were incumbents, one ran unopposed, the other three were already blue seats anyway.

Response to George II (Reply #89)

lapucelle

(18,245 posts)
85. This is about Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, NOT AOC. Here's Cenk's explanation.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 08:57 PM
Jul 2019
https://justicedems.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/33000223353-when-i-look-at-the-fec-report-for-justice-democrats-in-2017-why-are-there-so-many-expenditures-to-b

To try to make this as clean as possible, we not only had the language in our operating agreement about the LLC's purpose, but we also made sure that Saikat Chakrabarti was the only controlling member of the LLC, and that he took no salary (either from the LLC, from Justice Democrats, or from Brand New Congress the PAC). Saikat is lucky to have a small side business that generates him enough income that he is able to do all of this work as a volunteer.


I wonder which "small side business" Cenk is referring to...Mockingbird or Stripe?

The FEC works slowly, as you can see from this letter concerning a problem with Justice Democrats 2018 filings.

https://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/892/201905300300040892/201905300300040892.pdf

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
94. So says Cenk, the multi millionaire.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:26 PM
Jul 2019
Saikat is lucky to have a small side business that generates him enough income that he is able to do all of this work as a volunteer.


A small side business? He is a multi millionaire.

This is way to funny.

George II

(67,782 posts)
95. Chakrabarti is a multi-millionaire, probably many times over. He was the founding engineer....
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:57 PM
Jul 2019

...for Stripe about ten years ago. No doubt he retained some ownership interest. Stripe is now worth $9 BILLION!

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
104. your username is, alas, becoming an extraordinarily tendentious and disliked way of carrying
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jul 2019

oneself through the Western world's zestiest.

Then again, I am young, so perhaps it always was so. In fact, upon further and fleeting refection, I know that to be a truism.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
41. WHY is this guy running his mouth? He needs to STFU and just do his job. We have AOC to tweet shit
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jul 2019

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out, we don't need him too. That one tweet alone about the Democrats...what the actual fuck.

This is the Democratic version of the tea party. I'm calling it the Latte Party. Or better yet the Green Tea Party. I am unhappy that our side does not fall in line. It's like there is no practical thought...just emotions.



Tarc

(10,476 posts)
73. This is how you make it in Washington; make the opponents so petrified
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jul 2019

that they resort to straw-grasping and dirt-digging because they can't attack the message.


 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
93. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:24 PM
Jul 2019

AOC is a pygmy in the land of giants -- seasoned, experienced Democrats who have been through the struggles.


She only gets media attention because her outrageousness and tweets drive ratings.


Similarity with Trump there but at least Trump is a fake billionaire and had a successful TV series before he got into politics.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
108. You really are petrified of what persons of color can accomplish in this country
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:31 PM
Jul 2019

Your post speaks volumes.

 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
110. Petrified? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahah
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:42 PM
Jul 2019

Giants who are persons of color -- John Lewis -- the one who was boo'ed by the people you are supporting.

Maxine Waters -- a giant who was boo'ed by Sanders people in California.

We know who the giants are and the color doesn't matter. What matters is diplomacy, dignity and experience. Anyone can shoot off on twitter -- very few are courageously fighting while getting a skull fracture.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
114. Ummm.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:01 AM
Jul 2019

If I remember correctly President Obama was a person of color. In fact African American. His wife a decedent of slaves. They were loved by many here. They were also vilified here.

Called a POSUCS and DU rocked it to the top of the page.Not once but twice when they did a rebuttal. Not seeing where the poster is saying any of that. Volumes?

Response to Tarc (Reply #108)

 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
91. Chakrabarti will be falling on his sword again
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:21 PM
Jul 2019

He did that once already in the DNC/Hillary data theft … now he has another gig.

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