Democrats Continue Search For The Smoking Gun They Already Have

[Autumn]

Nancy Pelosi insists on more investigations, even though she thinks Trump has committed crimes.

WASHINGTON ― House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insists President Donald Trump has committed crimes and is engaged in a cover-up. She also insists the remedy for these crimes and this cover-up is not an impeachment inquiry, but more investigations ― ostensibly to uncover crimes that special counsel Robert Mueller has already uncovered.

If the bottomless pleas for more oversight seem like a road to nowhere, you may finally understand how leaders plan to quell those in the caucus who want to impeach the president: continued investigations, tough talk about Trump, and calls for even more investigations.

Pelosi has navigated the last 2 1/2 months using some form of that strategy. Whenever the calls for impeachment get too loud, she’s able to hold off Resistance Twitter by saying Trump is “self-impeaching,” or that she’s “done with him,” or that he’s obstructed justice, or he’s throwing a “temper tantrum,” or “engaged in a cover-up,” or belongs in prison. And then she continues touting investigations that have thus far failed to reveal anything remotely as damaging as the Mueller report.
The strategy works for memes and “Yas Queen” T-shirts, but has been wearing thin within Pelosi’s own caucus.

“We’ve done the oversight,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Thursday. “They’re committing the crimes. We’ve won in court. They’re committing the crimes anyway. They’ve left us no choice but to impeach and we won’t impeach.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-smoking-gun-impeachment-nancy-pelosi-donald-trump_n_5d289c77e4b0bd7d1e1b5809?fbclid=IwAR0GAp7lyEv5dYaoHxL-CphHVsi8WqTHdYUMbti3L2mbuAV4bgmmPs51LQg

[machI]

1. It is time for Pelosi to direct the House to impeach and stop with the endless investigation.

We already know the score. Subpoena all of Trump's financial records and make them public. When the voters know about Trump's criminal activities, impeachment will be a cake walk.

[Baltimike]

7. "?to impeach" means "to investigate". nt

[BamaRefugee]

16. Not so. Impeachment means a formal document charging a public official with misconduct in office.

[Susan Calvin]

18. And then comes the investigation. nt

[BamaRefugee]

20. Some investigation has to be done first to assure the impeachment has legal standing

[Autumn]

28. What was the Mueller investigation for? You know, the one where Mueller said

"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

[BamaRefugee]

29. Is that a rhetorical question?

[Thomas Hurt]

35. Sure, if you are 100 percent certain...

that Mueller didn't screw up through negligence, or purposely or Barr ended the investigation prematurely.

If you aren't then the House does their own investigations. Mueller's scope of investigation was limited.

[ProudLib72]

2. "Smoking gun" maybe, but we need a "Smocking gun" for this

[Nevermypresident]

3. +1

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. ITTMFA

Where are the daily telecasts of House committees grilling these criminals?

[triron]

5. Hell they have a few dozen smoking guns. Maybe they're confused.

[watoos]

6. There is a sure fire way for Pelosi to get more dirt on Trump,

open an impeachment investigation and get the grand jury testimony.

Getting the grand jury testimony is a reason in itself to open up impeachment. This isn't rocket science.

[AncientGeezer]

11. They can get it now...just get a court order if the judge agrees

[NRaleighLiberal]

8. D is starting to stand for Dry (as in powder). It is ridiculous.

[watoos]

9. Yes but we are going to have

Box cars of dry powder after the election, and Repugs are using all of theirs up.

[dalton99a]

24. Desiccated for maximum effectiveness and a great long shelf life

[mcar]

10. Oh goodie

another bash Pelosi thread.

[ismnotwasm]

21. Slow news cycle

[mcar]

30. Yeah, it's not like kids are in cages or anything

I can see why good Democrats would have nothing but time to slam other Democrats.

[ismnotwasm]

48. Isn't that Nancy's fault as well? According to certain..bright..? minds?

I mean, it is not, but damn you couldn’t guess that by reading the comments.

What I find appalling in discussion here right now is I’m currently under the impression there far too many people who couldn’t name the three branches or government without google, much less understand how a bill, say, becomes law. Maybe I should help.

[mcar]

67. Nancy is to blame for Dems losing seats

but gets no credit for Dems winning/holding seats. Similar to how HRC got blamed for bills being passed when she was 1st lady, but those who actually voted for them get a free ride.

[Bettie]

56. Kids in cages are yet ANOTHER reason to pursue an impeachment inquiry

Exactly how is letting them do whatever they want to do without oversight helping those children?

Throwing more money to the contractors with absolutely no rules on how it must be spent...yeah, that sounds like it will totally work, the contractors in charge of the camps have shown themselves to be so very honest and caring with regard to the people in their cages.

[Botany]

12. Pelosi will not impeach

We have 40 days left of Congress to be in session in 2019 and after that it will be an election year and you can't have impeachment hearings in an election year.

[Autumn]

14. We can't have impeachment hearings in an election year? Says who? Trump?

[ProfessionalLeft]

52. No. McConnell.

<sarcasm>

[PatrickforO]

22. Why?

[redstateblues]

27. Impeachment goes nowhere unless the Senate convicts.

Pointless

[uponit7771]

32. Don't need Senate vote to hurt Republicans and Trump politically with impeachment

[redstateblues]

68. It would be handing Trump a victory. He could stonewall

Any document requests and delay delay delay.

[uponit7771]

71. Red Don will stonewall during impeachment too but he's more likely not to defy the courts & congress

... but there's no guarantee the courts will move faster with impeachment proceedings.

Since Red Don called off 2020 election by announcing he's going to cheat it's time to cut the arm off Thanos before he snaps his fingers and worry about the rest later.

[redstateblues]

78. Of course he'll defy congress and the courts

[Botany]

37. Disagree

Let the GOP Senators stand up and along with the treasonous bastard that is Trump.
Trump and Russia worked together to rig the elections. Trump and Russia laundered
money together. Trump is a Russian asset.

[ProfessorPlum]

59. name me a time when the Senate has convicted an impeached President

I'll wait . . .

[Proud Liberal Dem]

72. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't put it on the public record

The Senate was likely to convict Nixon until he voluntarily stepped down.

[ProfessorPlum]

73. yeah, that's my point

the senate has NEVER removed a President. So, this shouldn't be an argument against impeachment.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

74. I agree

[think4yourself]

76. Of the whopping TWO Presidents impeached?

It’s time to impeach. Things are getting worse by the hour and I sure don’t trust our voting systems to remedy this crisis.

[ProfessorPlum]

77. I don't either

[Stuart G]

13. Yes, impeachment is coming, but Pelosi gets to choose the best time for it.

Her crew has a lot of experience in timing events. The question is not if, the question is when is the best time. Maybe in the fall, when people are paying more attention, or later closer to the next election. So, timing is everything, and who has a whole lot of experience in "political timing"?
...Also, maybe more info on Trump and crimes will come out. Maybe we will discover more crimes, (I think we will also get more proof of crimes) Lots of people want Trump out now, (and so do I) but I will give the timing lever, when to push the button, to Pelosi.

[Autumn]

15. A lot of damage can be done between now and the fall.

[Stuart G]

17. Yes, and more proof of crimes will come out. (well I believe there is more proof to be found)

Why? Trump is a crook and liar, was a crook and liar, and will always be a crook and a liar.

... More proof, the more likely he will resign. Oh, that won't happen you say?... How do you know? How much total information do we have on Russian collusion on the election? Is Trump one of Epstein's fellow travelers in the young girl club?..Will more information come out on other issues?. What issues? When will it come out?

[Autumn]

25. We get more proof of crimes from that SOB on a daily basis. nt

[Steelrolled]

49. I think a lot of House Dems don't want to vote

They can see it as a no-win vote when it comes to the 2020 election. Pelosi has to take this into account.

[Hotler]

61. Won't happen. nt

[NightWatcher]

19. Now if they could just find their Courage. I bet it's behind their Personal Political Expedeincy

Comfort and complacency go hand in hand.

[Thekaspervote]

36. Imho I don't believe it has to to with courage. The American people have seen Speaker Pelosi

Go up against dotard and his ilk, face to face and speak out in the media. Our dem leaders have brought us this far on their years of expertise and experience. No one is saying damage is not being done to our democracy, or sitting on their hands going oh well, especially not our dem leaders!

The argument of worrying about the elections is a valid one. What if we were to loose the house due to rash ill planned impeachment proceedings... then what?!

[cutroot]

23. Impeachment is worthless without a conviction in the senate

[redstateblues]

26. Yours is the only post that makes sense

Impeachment at this point is a feel good exercise that goes nowhere

[durablend]

47. Much like sending bills to the Senate they know are DOA?

[BamaRefugee]

31. That's like saying sit-ins at segregated lunch counters in the South were worthless, because

Congress wouldn't pass any civil rights legislation.
STILL, THEY PERSISTED.

A wave doesn't wear down a giant rock in the ocean the first time it crashes against it.

I know of no law that says you can't impeach over and over again, each time on a new charge....

[cutroot]

39. You are equivocating

I despise republicans as much or more than you do. It is important that we take the proper steps. Even if the impeachment were successful, we would still be nowhere and trump would be even crazier.

[uponit7771]

33. This is not true historically

[cutroot]

40. What if they took an impeachment vote and it failed?

Congresswoman Pelosi may have some inside information that we do not.

[uponit7771]

43. Historically the party of the impeached has never fared well in elections post impeachment when ....

... it comes to controlling the government.

Winning seats means little relative to controlling a part of government.

[cutroot]

44. Agreed

But we haven't had this level of foreign interference before.

[edhopper]

38. Not when the crimes he is impeached over

are so egregious that he is unelectable. And are laid bare on national TV.

[triron]

41. You miss the entire reason why the House needs to begin impeachment.

Nothing to do with what the Senate does or doesn't do, eos.

[cutroot]

45. Are you assuming that all of the Democrats are going to vote for impeachment?

The insane lunatic in the white house seems to be immune to any kind of derogatory effect that impeachment would entail. He almost begs for it. That is what makes me think that the fix is in. I would prefer that he be incarcerated for a long time.

[Autumn]

60. The House should impeach and get the evidence of Trumps crimes into the Congressional

record and get the R's on record as voting to cover for his crimes. There should be a historical record of his crimes and the enabling of the Republicans. None of them should get off untarnished with the ability to say we were innocent and that why the Dems didn't impeach.

[cutroot]

62. They are attempting to gather all of the evidence now. It took longer to get nixon.

[Autumn]

63. The evidence that they already have is enough to get started. They can hold hearings to get

more and it will also have the bonus of getting the attention of the public. Let the pukes and Trump try and stonewall and ignore subpoenas then.

[cutroot]

64. If that is the case, wouldn't it be better to hold off until it is closer to the election?

Once the wheels are set in motion it will happen quickly. Even if they do manage to impeach him now, his base won't care and most people will have forgotten in 16 months. We need to retake the senate and hold on to the house.

[Autumn]

65. It won't happen that fast and it can be drawn out. nt

[cutroot]

66. It is being drawn out right now

[USALiberal]

70. So you know more than Pelosi?? Fill us in please!!!! Nt

[Stargleamer]

34. Children separated and incarcerated

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in concentration camps is an impeachable offense in itself, as Laurence Tribe and others say.

We've waited patiently long enough, Speaker Pelosi. Start an informal impeachment hearing now. You are letting down your constituents by continuing to wait.

[triron]

42. Big time.

[uponit7771]

50. Timing is important, for max impact the failed senate impeachment vote should be around

... the time of the election so everyone can see how crooked the republicans are in the senate ...let them eat that vote for everyone to see.

Too soon and impeachment fizzles out with the rest of the news

[True Blue American]

53. 100%!

[leftstreet]

46. DURec

[True Blue American]

51. One poster made

A very good point. People will be paying attention in the fall. Most are enjoying or planning vacations this time of year. By fall they can collect much more evidence.

[CentralMass]

54. Republican administrations can and will get away with whatever they want. They are above the law.

[Progressive dog]

55. It takes a jury of the Senate to convict Trump

and that jury has not yet been convinced. It is not the fault of Nancy Pelosi that Trump is president and the Senate is controlled by lawless scum.
The real job of the Nancy Pelosi is to limit the damage by the criminal until the American people vote to remove him and his vassals from office.

[Autumn]

58. It's the journey that counts, not the end. Impeachment hearings will put pressure on this

SOB and his enablers. As long as the Senate does what he wants them to do Nancy can't stop the damage this SOB is doing.

[Progressive dog]

75. An mpeachment inquiry will end the pressure on the SOB

The right thing to do is have multiple committees hold hearings on the various crimes and misdemeanors that the SOB has engaged in. It is more important to force the orange dictator to allow Congressional oversight, otherwise the Constitution is worthless and we have a psychopath as dictator.

[Gothmog]

57. I support Speaker Pelosi on this issue

[Proud Liberal Dem]

69. Yeah but

how can we investigate anything when we're being blocked or slowed down at every turn?