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Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:33 PM Jul 2019

Found this in a local creek last Sunday...

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I've been searching for Indian artifacts washed out in creeks for the past several years.
This is a very nice 4-1/2" long "Cobbs Knife" made from Indiana hornstone chert and it is roughly 8,000 years old.
Fascinating to be the first to see it or touch it after all those years and to wonder what the life and times were like for the person who made it.

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Found this in a local creek last Sunday... (Original Post) Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 OP
That's cool MustLoveBeagles Jul 2019 #1
Nice! GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #2
I walk fields too... Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #4
In my youth... Nictuku Jul 2019 #8
Nice. Good find. notdarkyet Jul 2019 #3
That's beautiful. AJT Jul 2019 #5
Pretty damn choice! marble falls Jul 2019 #6
Stunning! fierywoman Jul 2019 #7
Cool. moondust Jul 2019 #9
Celt (ungrooved axe) Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #14
Wow. moondust Jul 2019 #19
That's a good idea. Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #22
Could also be a net sink? 3Hotdogs Jul 2019 #39
Granite celt (ungrooved axe) moondust Jul 2019 #41
Plummets look like this... jpak Jul 2019 #48
Wow, very cool. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #10
Nice! My grandfather had mason jars of arrow heads he found GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #11
It's beautiful...gonna frame it? Karadeniz Jul 2019 #12
Eventually (with my other finds.) Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #16
I was about to post ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #17
Will do. Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #18
That's Super Cool! Snackshack Jul 2019 #13
K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #15
Very cool denbot Jul 2019 #20
K&R reACTIONary Jul 2019 #21
Nice. Don't look thoroughly, but I always look down for arrowheads when hiking, Hoyt Jul 2019 #23
Nice find MagickMuffin Jul 2019 #24
What a great thing to try! StarryNite Jul 2019 #27
Vibroturgy, or Psychometry: MagickMuffin Jul 2019 #31
It's bunkum. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2019 #50
At least in this case, it's bunkum that can't hurt anyone. nt. Mariana Jul 2019 #61
Oh WOW! Impressive. Duppers Jul 2019 #25
Avocational Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #28
Then I'd say, you're truly an expert. Duppers Jul 2019 #34
Wow! StarryNite Jul 2019 #26
Truly amazing JDC Jul 2019 #29
yeah? but is it still sharp enough to skin a mastodon? Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #30
Where in the country did you find that. I know some can be found in Central Ky alfredo Jul 2019 #32
Close... SE Indiana Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #33
My great grandparents homesteaded on Laughery Creek Bob Loblaw Jul 2019 #45
Laughery Creek is about 20 miles South Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #56
Hey -- my great^32-grandfather lost his Cobb knife in SE Indiana a few thousand years ago. sl8 Jul 2019 #49
Yes they do. I checked the map. alfredo Jul 2019 #63
My great uncle's farm near Guthrie KY paleotn Jul 2019 #55
Keep it for a week and see if anyone claims it. JohnnyRingo Jul 2019 #35
nice!!! Demovictory9 Jul 2019 #36
Wow! Great find! mountain grammy Jul 2019 #37
Excellent! Congratulations! nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2019 #38
Was your heart thudding away? 3catwoman3 Jul 2019 #40
Yes, my heart definitely skipped a beat! Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #64
Way cool! Ellipsis Jul 2019 #42
That's amazing! Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #43
I collect them. Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #65
What a rare treasure. It has aged so perfectly. It's wonderful to see. Stunning. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #44
Cool beans! K&R demmiblue Jul 2019 #46
Cool - and we think alike about artifacts jpak Jul 2019 #47
I'm like you in that way. MineralMan Jul 2019 #51
Amazing Roy Rolling Jul 2019 #52
Awesome find. I can only imagine how wondrous it must have felt to actually pick that up in KPN Jul 2019 #53
What a great find! Bayard Jul 2019 #54
Great save on the axe and cool story about your farm!!! Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #58
Beautiful chipping. skip fox Jul 2019 #57
It is beautiful! PatrickforO Jul 2019 #59
Wow bigbadR Jul 2019 #60
Wow! Nice point. Nitram Jul 2019 #62
How do you know it's 8000 years old? Goodheart Jul 2019 #66
NA's roamed much earlier than 8k years ago. Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2019 #68
Thank you. Very interesting. It's beautiful. Goodheart Jul 2019 #69
Very cool. Your perseverance paid off! nt SunSeeker Jul 2019 #67
Kick orangecrush Jul 2019 #70

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
2. Nice!
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jul 2019

It's in really nice shape, too.

Freshly-plowed farm fields near those creeks, rivers, and other water bodies can be a great place to hunt, as well. Just make sure you have permission to go on the land. I have found artifacts in dirt roads, as well.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
4. I walk fields too...
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:52 PM
Jul 2019

Getting tougher to find anything in fields with all the low/no till farming.
Creeks produce waaaaay less finds but usually the artifacts are in better shape due to lack of implement strikes.

Nictuku

(3,605 posts)
8. In my youth...
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jul 2019

I was on a hiking/camping trip on the border of New Mexico/Arizona in the mountains, and we actually found colored Indian beads in an old fire pit area. That is so cool, what you found. I know you will treasure it.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
9. Cool.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jul 2019

I have one almost identical to that but made of light-colored stone that I found in my back yard as a kid. Also once found what I think is a tomahawk head that looks a lot like this:

moondust

(19,972 posts)
19. Wow.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:28 PM
Jul 2019

Thanks! Looking at more Google images there's no question that mine is a granite celt (ungrooved axe).

Maybe I should donate it to a museum or something. ??

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
11. Nice! My grandfather had mason jars of arrow heads he found
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jul 2019

While walking behind a mule and plow.

Nice story. He actually had a small ‘Indian’ mound or so he thought, on his farm. I guess he might have been right because it was on a very flat flood plain and was 2 yards high and 60-80 feet wide. He cleared the land in the 20’s and someone built that hill. Said after he cleared the land and the first time he plowed it all kinds of stuff came up. After that no one was allowed on the hill. By the time I came around he grazed cows on the land rather than plowed it. But he never allowed it to be disturbed. Said it might be someone’s grave and it would be disrespectful to mess with it.

The land is now owned by my right wing uncle and to his credit the rule remains.

The cows keep it cleared but it has never been dug in since my family owned it.



Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
16. Eventually (with my other finds.)
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jul 2019

For the near future I'll just be holding it in my hand turning it over and over; staring - and wondering...

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. I was about to post
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jul 2019

You should show us your collection! This new find is awesome, but I bet I'm not the only one whose curiosity is peaked.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
20. Very cool
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:31 PM
Jul 2019

I would also wonder about the person who probably made and carried that tool.

What his or her life was like, and how a seemingly useful and likely valuable tool was separated from it’s owner.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. Nice. Don't look thoroughly, but I always look down for arrowheads when hiking,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:40 PM
Jul 2019

especially in washed areas. My dad and granddad found all kinds of artifacts 100 years ago after big rains and plowing.

I’ve only found a few, but nothing that awesome.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
24. Nice find
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:42 PM
Jul 2019

If you're open minded there is a technique where you hold an object in your hands, kinda what you've been doing. However, if you close your eyes and meditate on it you can connect to its past and maybe even who made / owned it.

If you decide to try it, let me know your results. I'd be interested in hearing about your experience.



StarryNite

(9,443 posts)
27. What a great thing to try!
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:52 PM
Jul 2019

I'm really into all kinds of things like that. I never knew about that technique though.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
31. Vibroturgy, or Psychometry:
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:13 AM
Jul 2019

is the practice of the perceiving, or receiving impressions, of the history of an object. it is a method used by rosicrucians and psychic practitioners.

It works!!!



Duppers

(28,120 posts)
25. Oh WOW! Impressive.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:47 PM
Jul 2019

Have you had an archaeologist look at it yet? You're probably an archaeologist or an amateur archaeologist yourself?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
30. yeah? but is it still sharp enough to skin a mastodon?
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:12 AM
Jul 2019

Need to test that. Might have to grow a mammoth, mastodon or giant sloth for a proper test, though.

Beautiful piece!

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
45. My great grandparents homesteaded on Laughery Creek
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:52 AM
Jul 2019

near Versailles. The land was sold when I was a child so I never really got to roam the farm. That is one fine artifact you have there, congratulations on your find and thanks for sharing.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
56. Laughery Creek is about 20 miles South
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jul 2019

Where it empties into the Ohio is a huge Indian campsite. Never got permission to walk it but friends have and they found many nice artifacts.

sl8

(13,736 posts)
49. Hey -- my great^32-grandfather lost his Cobb knife in SE Indiana a few thousand years ago.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:31 AM
Jul 2019

His was a different color, though.



Nice find!

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
55. My great uncle's farm near Guthrie KY
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

We use to find all sorts of arrow heads there, finished points and mistakes, broken points, etc. Loads of fun snooping around his plowed fields when I was a kid.

JohnnyRingo

(18,624 posts)
35. Keep it for a week and see if anyone claims it.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jul 2019

Then it's yours!

Kidding aside, that's an awesome find. I'll bet he was pissed he lost it.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
40. Was your heart thudding away?
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jul 2019

Mine would have been.

What a treasure!

I, too, would be interested in hearing about it if you try the meditation idea.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
64. Yes, my heart definitely skipped a beat!
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jul 2019

To find artifacts that large and that complete is getting harder to do. Humbled to have saved it.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
65. I collect them.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jul 2019

I don't buy or sell. I like to collect the ones I have personally found. That way I KNOW they are real.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
51. I'm like you in that way.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:13 AM
Jul 2019

I found many points and other artifacts near my former home in the Central Coast of California. Relics of the Chumash culture that existed there for many centuries until they were exterminated by the intrusion of the Spanish explorers and the priests that came with them.

I always thought about the people who made and used the artifacts, and spent a lot of time studying what was known of that culture. I learned the natural foods they ate from the area, and even tried many of them that aren't part of our diet.

Artifacts from the past are wonderful triggers for learning.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
52. Amazing
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jul 2019

As a kid in the ‘60s I’d look for arrowheads on the ground but never found one. Now I think I’m just a descendant of an immigrant who is living on stolen land.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
53. Awesome find. I can only imagine how wondrous it must have felt to actually pick that up in
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:39 AM
Jul 2019

the moment. A tangible connection to another human's life that many years ago!

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
54. What a great find!
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:51 AM
Jul 2019

How did you date it at 8,000 years?

When I was a kid, I was walking through a newly-plowed field in southern Indiana, and found a really nice grooved ax head. I still have it. This was beside the creek that ran across the end of my folks property. It was very flaky shale on both sides. My dad also collected arrowheads for me there.

In central Calif., the farm I bought used to belong to an amateur archaeologist who had retired from King's Canyon National Park up the road as a park ranger. It had a huge self-built garage, with attached rooms. He used to have a Wild West museum there for the tourist trade headed to the parks. My understanding was that he had a phenomenal collection of Native artifacts, mostly from the Mono tribes in the area. They would spend the hot summers in the high mountains, then come down to our level for the winter (3,000 ft.) There were many grinding stones on the property, including a huge one right in the backyard. All granite.

When this gentleman died, half his collection went to the little local college, and half went to Fresno State. I was told there was a lot of theft before that. There was one big granite bowl left, that I still have, and a big smooth grinding stone that someone stole from me.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
58. Great save on the axe and cool story about your farm!!!
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jul 2019

Here is info on the dating of the Cobbs knife. I believe they use C14 dating on associated organic remains to obtain the dates:

https://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Cobbs.html

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
59. It is beautiful!
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jul 2019

I love what you said - sometimes if you hold something really old like this, it is fun to wonder who last touched it, and what they thought and cared about, and who they may have loved. I always wonder why people didn't develop the alphabet or technology sooner than they did.

Goodheart

(5,321 posts)
66. How do you know it's 8000 years old?
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jul 2019

Native Americans roamed Indiana much later than 8000 years ago.

I'm not doubting you... just curious how you dated it.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
68. NA's roamed much earlier than 8k years ago.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:47 PM
Jul 2019

Here is info on the Cobbs knife. I believe they use C14 dating on associated organic remains to obtain the dates:

https://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Cobbs.html

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