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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAaaaand... the yellow vest scum are back in Paris
1 dead in rioting in the 17th arrondissement; the Champs-Elysee blocked by yellow vest protestors with burning roadblocks after the parade cleared out.
They had taken a few weeks off (even the protestors in France love their summer vacation) but now they're back. What do they want? There's little consistency. They don't like gas taxes or public housing for immigrants. They want to tax the rich and use the money to kick all the people of African origin out. They want a universal income indexed to inflation and a tripling of military spending. They want farm subsidies and an end to farm guest worker visas.
Populism. There's a reason I am sick of it.
Turin_C3PO
(13,974 posts)a strange brew of left AND right concerns. Weird.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)White socialism. That's all populism ever is.
Turin_C3PO
(13,974 posts)are pretty much straight up right wingers. I dont see Trumpers embodying any left wing ideals.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)People forget that, but it's what he ran on.
hlthe2b
(102,234 posts)damn, have they seen what we have over HERE? Good gawd.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)They've seen it, and they like it.
The word "emboldened" comes to mind.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And while he is articulate, he is a banker in a political role.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)they would be it.
And the problem is right wing populism. Also called fascism.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)They're rioters sent to destabilize and nothing more.
They're attacking to upset locals and prevent tourism
dalton99a
(81,459 posts)Russia has been criticized for using social media to influence elections in the U.S. and elsewhere. Attempts to use fake news reports and cyberattacks to undercut the 2017 campaign of French President Emmanuel Macron failed, but Russian-linked sites have pushed questionable reports of a mutiny among police, and of officers support for the protests.
Sputnik and RT have reported in recent days that most French police no longer support Macron and are siding with the protesters. Their sources: representatives of two small police unions that together won less than 4 percent of votes in nationwide union elections this month. Sputnik and RT also have shown a video widely shared on French social media -- of police in the southwestern town of Pau removing their helmets in what was described as a sign of solidarity with protesters. Local police and journalists on the scene said the description was untrue. They said some officers had briefly removed their helmets to talk with protesters before putting them back on.
Macron complained repeatedly during his 2017 campaign that Kremlin-controlled media outlets were spreading fake news about him, because he took a tougher stance on Russia than his chief rivals, Marine Le Pen of the far-right National Front and François Fillon of the conservative Republicans. But negative stories, such as a Sputnik report claiming Macron lived a double life and was backed by a wealthy gay lobby, never gained traction.
In one instance, a bogus website resembling the site of a Belgian newspaper reported that Macrons campaign was being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia. The source of the hoax was never determined, but the European Unions East Stratcom Task Force, which tracks Russian disinformation efforts, said it bore striking similarities to an earlier incident traced to a Russian troll factory.
This is absolutely paid for in rubles, just like the no-deal Brexit agitation across the Channel
renate
(13,776 posts)They dont even need to try to cover their tracks. They do it in plain sight! Its not even an OMG scandal any more. And credulous people suck it up like Roombas.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)As far as in the country, they're more popular in the north than the south, broadly, and more popular in the suburbs than the small towns.
dalton99a
(81,459 posts)They are scum.
DBoon
(22,363 posts)They want to destroy civil society to bring about a right wing autocracy
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I support the right of people to protest their government and deplore those who use it to cause harm.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Do you say the same about rightwing protestors here?
Was the problem at Charlottesville the fact that they were infiltrated by trolls, or was the problem that the entire thrust of the movement IS about trolling?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)The ones who have peacefully protested and rant against those taking advantage to cause harm.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And, scum is a bit harsh.
While, admittedly, they are primarily a Belgian team, this is the first time a Frenchman has worn yellow on Bastille Day since Tony Gallopin in 2014.
But they still have the Pyrenees and Alps to go, before they get to Paris.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It should be a great party here
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Should be easy for decent people to see through them.