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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:11 PM Jul 2019

Aaaaand... the yellow vest scum are back in Paris

1 dead in rioting in the 17th arrondissement; the Champs-Elysee blocked by yellow vest protestors with burning roadblocks after the parade cleared out.

They had taken a few weeks off (even the protestors in France love their summer vacation) but now they're back. What do they want? There's little consistency. They don't like gas taxes or public housing for immigrants. They want to tax the rich and use the money to kick all the people of African origin out. They want a universal income indexed to inflation and a tripling of military spending. They want farm subsidies and an end to farm guest worker visas.

Populism. There's a reason I am sick of it.

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Aaaaand... the yellow vest scum are back in Paris (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2019 OP
Sounds like Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #1
It's the same thing in the US, from Perot to Trump Recursion Jul 2019 #2
Except our populists Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #11
He ran on single payer and no cuts to Medicare or Social Security Recursion Jul 2019 #13
and they've made Macron the enemy. Honestly, I can't say I have a valid assessment of Macron, but hlthe2b Jul 2019 #3
I think they've seen it and said, "Yes! How can we get some of that!" Iggo Jul 2019 #4
Macron is a banker first. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #7
If France had a Tea Party, guillaumeb Jul 2019 #5
When I was there in June they attacked a 5 Guys burger on the Champs NightWatcher Jul 2019 #6
Russian trolls have been busy dalton99a Jul 2019 #8
Yep Recursion Jul 2019 #12
It's weird the way it's an established FACT that Russia sows dissent renate Jul 2019 #21
What do the people in France think of these yellow belly vests? nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #9
They burned through whatever goodwill they had with Parisians a while ago Recursion Jul 2019 #14
The nihilists would love to blow up the Arc de Triomphe and the Louvre dalton99a Jul 2019 #15
I call them nihilist reactionaries DBoon Jul 2019 #10
Unfortunately there are trolls who infiltrated the protests to cause trouble uppityperson Jul 2019 #16
You don't know that jberryhill Jul 2019 #18
Yes, I do know that. I trust my friends in France who have told me that. uppityperson Jul 2019 #20
No, they won't be there until later this month jberryhill Jul 2019 #17
Oh I am looking forward to that Recursion Jul 2019 #19
They sound far right. They are anti immigrant, pro military. Blue_true Jul 2019 #22

Turin_C3PO

(13,974 posts)
11. Except our populists
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jul 2019

are pretty much straight up right wingers. I don’t see Trumpers embodying any left wing ideals.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. He ran on single payer and no cuts to Medicare or Social Security
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jul 2019

People forget that, but it's what he ran on.

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
3. and they've made Macron the enemy. Honestly, I can't say I have a valid assessment of Macron, but
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:14 PM
Jul 2019

damn, have they seen what we have over HERE? Good gawd.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
4. I think they've seen it and said, "Yes! How can we get some of that!"
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jul 2019

They've seen it, and they like it.

The word "emboldened" comes to mind.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. If France had a Tea Party,
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:18 PM
Jul 2019

they would be it.

And the problem is right wing populism. Also called fascism.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. When I was there in June they attacked a 5 Guys burger on the Champs
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:18 PM
Jul 2019

They're rioters sent to destabilize and nothing more.

They're attacking to upset locals and prevent tourism

dalton99a

(81,459 posts)
8. Russian trolls have been busy
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jul 2019
According to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, about 600 Twitter accounts known to promote Kremlin views have begun focusing on France, boosting their use of the hashtag #giletsjaunes, the French name for the Yellow Vest movement. French security services are looking at the situation, Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Sunday in a radio interview with RTL.

Russia has been criticized for using social media to influence elections in the U.S. and elsewhere. Attempts to use fake news reports and cyberattacks to undercut the 2017 campaign of French President Emmanuel Macron failed, but Russian-linked sites have pushed questionable reports of a mutiny among police, and of officers’ support for the protests.

Sputnik and RT have reported in recent days that most French police no longer support Macron and are siding with the protesters. Their sources: representatives of two small police unions that together won less than 4 percent of votes in nationwide union elections this month. Sputnik and RT also have shown a video – widely shared on French social media -- of police in the southwestern town of Pau removing their helmets in what was described as a sign of solidarity with protesters. Local police and journalists on the scene said the description was untrue. They said some officers had briefly removed their helmets to talk with protesters before putting them back on.

Macron complained repeatedly during his 2017 campaign that Kremlin-controlled media outlets were spreading fake news about him, because he took a tougher stance on Russia than his chief rivals, Marine Le Pen of the far-right National Front and François Fillon of the conservative Republicans. But negative stories, such as a Sputnik report claiming Macron lived a “double life” and was backed by a “wealthy gay lobby,” never gained traction.

In one instance, a bogus website resembling the site of a Belgian newspaper reported that Macron’s campaign was being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia. The source of the hoax was never determined, but the European Union’s East Stratcom Task Force, which tracks Russian disinformation efforts, said it bore striking similarities to an earlier incident traced to a Russian “troll factory.”


Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Yep
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jul 2019

This is absolutely paid for in rubles, just like the no-deal Brexit agitation across the Channel

renate

(13,776 posts)
21. It's weird the way it's an established FACT that Russia sows dissent
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jul 2019

They don’t even need to try to cover their tracks. They do it in plain sight! It’s not even an OMG scandal any more. And credulous people suck it up like Roombas.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. They burned through whatever goodwill they had with Parisians a while ago
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jul 2019

As far as in the country, they're more popular in the north than the south, broadly, and more popular in the suburbs than the small towns.

DBoon

(22,363 posts)
10. I call them nihilist reactionaries
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jul 2019

They want to destroy civil society to bring about a right wing autocracy

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
16. Unfortunately there are trolls who infiltrated the protests to cause trouble
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019

I support the right of people to protest their government and deplore those who use it to cause harm.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. You don't know that
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jul 2019

Do you say the same about rightwing protestors here?

Was the problem at Charlottesville the fact that they were infiltrated by trolls, or was the problem that the entire thrust of the movement IS about trolling?

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
20. Yes, I do know that. I trust my friends in France who have told me that.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:56 PM
Jul 2019

The ones who have peacefully protested and rant against those taking advantage to cause harm.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. No, they won't be there until later this month
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jul 2019

And, “scum” is a bit harsh.

While, admittedly, they are primarily a Belgian team, this is the first time a Frenchman has worn yellow on Bastille Day since Tony Gallopin in 2014.

But they still have the Pyrenees and Alps to go, before they get to Paris.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. They sound far right. They are anti immigrant, pro military.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jul 2019

Should be easy for decent people to see through them.

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