How do you rate Ryan's 'speech'?

[WI_DEM]

I never heard so many lies in one speech especially on Medicare and about the factory in Janesville closing--it CLOSED UNDER BUSH AND RYAN HAD BEEN CALLED ON THIS BEFORE. But these assholes don't care how much they lie and think they can get away with it.

I give this speech an F. I think it's mean spirited and surly nature made for an awful debut for Ryan to a big national audience.

[LSK]

1. Accuracy - F, Presentation - C

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

2. Objectively Speaking...

It was a good convention speech given to a friendly audience. He was supposed to deliver applause lines, and he did. He was supposed to feed them red meat, and he served it up.

But if you start fact checking it, there's almost not a word of truth in there. He blasts Obama for walking away Simpson-Bowles, when Ryan did the same thing.

Over and over and over again. Lies, lies, lies.

[nolabear]

4. What he said.

[steve2470]

34. +1 nt

[cynatnite]

3. Presentation...B

I give the presentation B because he looks good, he said it well and he hit a good stride as he went on.

For content and accuracy...F as in a fucking lie and fucking dangerous.

[JBoy]

6. I agree. His presentation was good, because it was pissing me off so much

If he was doing a shitty job, I would just be laughing.

[vanlassie]

5. Delivery- meh. Content-weak. Mediocre Overall.

[Cleita]

7. How many rotten tomatoes do I get?

No matter, I will use all of them.

[uponit7771]

8. Very mechancical and too calculated, not inspired at all VERY little narrative or backdrop other...

...than Obama didn't fix our fuck ups fast enough

[jsmirman]

9. A "B" downgraded to a "C" for prevarication

his presentation was a solid B. Not bad, not great. Not a great speaker, but not incompetent.

Tbh, Sarah Palin gave a much better speech presentation-wise.

[grantcart]

10. I = impossible to watch that's why I come here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Going back to Speech class

we were always told to rate a speech on both delivery and factually.

Delivery it is the best of the convention so far. He'd get an B to A.

Now factually... F... there were a few MAJOR fibs.

I did particularly like the Central Planners line... that was magnificent... Obama = Joseph Stalin, but hey, if your goddess is Ayn Rand...

But from the point of view of delivery, that was good.

My Speech teacher used to tell us, an effective speech has both elements. So she'd probably give Ryan D+, or less. He did actually have a funny joke near the end. That actually would raise his grade.

And this is what makes Ryan dangerous. He is an effective (even if a confirmed liar) speaker.

As a local political reporter I need to look at things not just from the partisan POV, but how effective the person giving the a speech can be with the intended and not intended audience.

Thankfully... the viewership for this convention has not been that high.

[WI_DEM]

12. My guess is that there was a wider audience tonight because people were curious about Ryan.

[reformist2]

17. +1 - You get it. Ryan is the real deal.

[JaneyVee]

19. We must have been watching 2 different speeches. That speech was absolutely awful.

It should be illegal to lie that much in public. It sets a dangerous precedent.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Why I said that content wise, he lied

delivery is part of a speech.

[JaneyVee]

23. He didn't even give a single idea or solution. Just lie and Obama-bash.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Yeah, but delivery is what makes him so dangerous

I know that partisans will catch the lies... fast... but think of the middle of the road voter (not that many of them actually, not in a base election, which this is)... will take a well delivered speech. Most of those voters will NOT go fact check it. This is where media matters.

He even was funny.

And that is what makes him so damn dangerous.

[nenagh]

32. Lawrence O'Donnell was best on Ryan..

He thought the lies were so carefully crafted..in a lawyerly manner..so that the exact words may be hard to refute...

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. exactly

[dkf]

28. You thought he was better than Christie?

I didn't see the whole Ryan speech but Christie kept my attention better I thought.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yes, and here is where taste comes in

Ryan was more polished... and I do not like angry red men (Christie was turning red)... that much.

That J ne se qua element of speech making.

[dkf]

40. Finally saw the whole thing and he definitely improved from the beginning.

It's up to Obama to make the democratic argument. Ryan laid the Republican approach out pretty well so it is now a matter of what people believe will move things forward. I like that he raised the Republican's game because I was wanting more from our side and I think we will be compelled to lay out a competing vision.

[JaneyVee]

41. What exactly was the republican approach?

Seemed to me he avoided policy issues completely. Didn't even mention the word Afghanistan for starters.

[spanone]

13. red meat for the base....not a peep about abortion laws he has championed

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. They are going to get away from that as far as they can.

No intelligent republican will go there right now.

[jsmirman]

21. That was defending those who cannot defend themselves

only fetuses may apply.

And for every living creature in the entire world who is not a fetus - his statement is stunningly untrue.

[Silver Swan]

14. I don't know

When he said rights come from god and nature, I started screaming at the TV and was no longer capable of rational judgment.

[reformist2]

15. An A rhetorically, a C+ factually.

[steve2470]

33. C+ factually ?

Please elaborate.

[reformist2]

39. The stimulus was good, but it did favor core constituents more than average Americans.

[B Calm]

18. A BIG FUCKING F

[treestar]

22. that friggin' factory was really closed under Bush?

And he's blaming Obama because it is not open again?

Major fail.

[AsahinaKimi]

25. USO! USO! USo!

He is such a liar!

[Mponti]

26. A+ perfect reality tv

[HooptieWagon]

27. Sounded like lies and grunts to me.

[SHRED]

29. MSNBC hosts loved it...sickening

[TexasBushwhacker]

30. Good for the base

otherwise meh. If I were undecided, it was same ol' same ol'. I think him talking about his mother was just more pandering to the female voters just like Ann did because Mitt is NOT polling well with women.

[sadbear]

36. The sheer gall and outright dishonesty was breathtaking.

He didn't even try to hide the fact that he was opening and blatantly lying.

Quite Orwellian, to use an over-used cliche'.

[Johonny]

37. A for hole. I'm sick of politicians that insult my intelligence and think so little of me.

Ryan's speech insulted my intelligence AND insulted me personally. I know this stuff works on some fraction of the people and it was a "good" conservative speech. But if you understand what he's saying, it is personally insulting. This guy shut down the government and lowered the countries credit rating over a vote he had made countless times under Bush, yet wants to lecture Obama, Democrats and the American people. Then like Christie his sit down grown up talk is nothing but lies, school yard bullying and BS, it is insulting. When's the last Republican that treated me like I was an equal or even just an adult?

[lapfog_1]

38. My favorite critique