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A bit of perspective on the New Yorker piece, where Mayer minimized the accounts of 7 women to focus on the one problematic accuser.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)madaboutharry
(40,203 posts)voice in this matter. Just saying.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)The same things that got 7 senators to regret supporting his ouster.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Not really a big number.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)kcr
(15,315 posts)She actually talks to one of them. There is only so much she can say about the anonymous accusers who refused to speak with her. But she does mention them. I couldn't help but notice some of the articles I've seen refuting Mayer are in the same publications that posted stories about the anonymous accusers. Some of them were written by the same writers. Mayer references those pieces in the article, pointing out the fact they published after multiple other sources turned the accusers down because they weren't corroborated.
Jane Mayer's piece was a well written, well-sourced deep dive into what happened. I think it's clear those who are refuting her are trying to either defend their shabby "journalism", or their shabby knee jerk opinions from that time period.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Craaaazy, huh.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,172 posts)Because that's about as specific and concrete as anything we have beyond the documentably sketchy claims from Tweeden.
Seriously, it was a joke.
And I deal with analyzing matters like this for a living, and I can tell you....the "allegations" against Franken were a joke.
Unfortunately Democrats were worried it would impact the PR coup of winning an Alabama Senate seat, and they got overly scared. That's that.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)"Appeal to authority" ? Charming...
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,172 posts)Are you aware of that legal theory?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)regarding conduct spanning years of time, they should be take seriously.
Good day.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,172 posts)Was the behavior complained about by any of these women considered either severe or pervasive?
Could any of these women bring a legal claim against Senator Franken and expect it to survive summary judgment?
kcr
(15,315 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,859 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Thanks for the concern, though.
Ms. Toad
(34,060 posts)For the record. I didn't call for Franken's resignation - nor do I think he should have resigned. BUT that is not because I believe he kept his hands to himself, but because I know that level of mini-aggression is present in far too many good men who have no clue their attention is unwelcome. We (and they) need to learn from it, rather than sacrifice them based on teh misguided principle that all sexually inappropriate behavior is equal.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/al-franken-jane-mayer-new-yorker-leeann-tweeden.html
I wont pretend theres a clear and obvious answer to that question, but I do think theres a better way to try to answer it. Instead of dissecting Frankens case for the purposes of exonerating him, we could be discussing what we should expect from elected officials whove been creepy and sexist. How can they atone for their behavior? What threshold of proof should we demand? Is being removed from one of the most powerful positions in America akin to capital punishment, as one of Frankens former Senate colleagues suggests? If we strive to hold politicians accountable for past policy positions, can we not question the character of a man who, for many years, wrote, performed, and was seemingly personally gratified by the humor of sexual coercion and objectification? Alas, skits that promote rape culture in an institution famous for its epidemic rates of sexual assault were apparently not seen as troubling a decade agobut its not too late!
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Put it in the blender with the defenders and you land at a rational point of normalcy when looking at the topic.