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Pelosi, Democrats launch Mueller messaging blitz
By Mike Lillis - 07/23/19 06:57 AM EDT
House Democrats on Tuesday will launch an aggressive communications campaign to highlight Robert Mueller's sweeping investigation into Russian election interference just ahead of the former special counsel's appearance before Congress for a pair of hotly anticipated hearings.
The office of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has crunched Mueller's 448-page report into a six-page document, featuring the former FBI director's most damning findings, which will be distributed Tuesday to Democratic lawmakers to guide their outreach to voters as all eyes in Washington turn to Mueller's testimony.
Dubbed "Exposing the Truth," the six-page memo was coordinated between Pelosi's office and the two committees where Mueller will appear on Wednesday: Judiciary, chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), and Intelligence, led by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.).
From a messaging standpoint, the operation, along with an accompanying social media campaign, is designed to put a public spotlight on both the vulnerabilities in America's election system and President Trump's conduct before and after winning the White House, as noted by Mueller's findings. As a political tool, it's meant to pressure Republicans to consider the election, ethics and national security reforms Democrats have pushed heading into the polls next year.
"We're hoping this will heighten the sense of urgency for a whole-of-government response to protect our democracy going forward."
more...
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454248-pelosi-dems-launch-mueller-messaging-blitz
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)From pundits to people on the street, the calls for impeachment have been increasing. This gives a snowballing of support for representatives.
It is still my opinion that a formal impeachment inquiry should begin now and pull in all of various, ongoing investigations under its umbrella. I believe this will have an even larger snowball effect among the general electorate due to the increased attention it would demand from the media. That racist rally may have been the turning point for a lot of people who were not really paying attention before.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)Therefore they are not doing anything!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But watch the collective hand wringing "Why aren't Congressional Dems DOING ANYTHING about {election security, the Mueller Report, Trump's conduct, the GOP majority in the Senate, Stephen Miller, the situation at the border, Mitch McConnell, disrespectful photoshopped photos of AOC on twitter, etc)", and snide comparisons to a "strongly worded letter" to those who need to feed their confirmation bias about Pelosi, no matter what she does.
They may skip right over this,..
From a messaging standpoint, the operation, along with an accompanying social media campaign, is designed to put a public spotlight on both the vulnerabilities in America's election system and President Trump's conduct before and after winning the White House, as noted by Mueller's findings.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Especially when the marketing is painting a turd (i.e. we're not going to impeach).
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'll give you this - that's going above and beyond in damned if she does/damned if she doesn't Pelosi-kvetching.
There are those that believe that ill-timed impeachment hearings would be "worse than not impeaching," in terms of a cost benefit analysis in the 2020 elections, and therefore the future of this country.
I'm glad that she has a spine of steel, and an intellect and experience to match. It's just got to grind some people that she doesn't worry about pleasing them when she's making decisions that she's been selected by her Democratic peers to make.
MCAR... you must have a crystal ball..
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)Impeachment!
mcar
(42,278 posts)I await the kvetching.
"Just another Strongly worded letter"
"It took them too long - this should have been done 10 minutes after the report came out."
"How lame. They should have been holding press conferences EVERY DAY from day one yelling at the top of their lungs about this!"
"But when will they start holding Trump accountable?"
"Unless they're starting impeachment hearings immediately, they are DOING NOTHING about/ the crisis at the border/people without healthcare/obscene photoshopped pictures of AOC on twitter/election security/Trumps racist tweets/ the revelations in the Mueller report/Trump still being in office/the revelations in the Mueller report/election security."
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)You sure brought this happy thread down.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)You left out, "Most likely lose it again, anyway."
And, "Sure is a cheerful color. Guess Ill have to get used to it."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and to ridicule them. Lighten up.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)How much lighter can you get than Winnie the Pooh?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)9. congrats
You sure brought this happy thread down.
Mcar sure called it in post #5 when she said "I await the kvetching.".. and there you were.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)makes you unhappy?
That reads like Eyeore, don't you think?
mcar
(42,278 posts)so I don't get how you are bringing the OP down.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)Your (presumably anticipatory) comments were the first of their kind in the thread. Sure it kicked the OP so others get to find it easier, but dayum it could be seeding the clouds that come!
So, sticking with Eeyore, "Don't blame me if it rains."
P.S., Kick.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)who are guilty themselves... well, that took it beyond the thread.
Also, do you even know what kvetch means? In the post I responded to...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212305822#post5
So, no, you're wrong, I wasn't the first. But do go on explaining why you decided to "Eyeore" me in particular.
Kick!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)Thank you for the invitation.
Check replies 1 - 6. There was no kvetching at that time. I recognize those you paraphrased in 7 -- there has been a lot of it going around here -- but they were, indeed, the first of their kind in this thread. Maybe they will act as an inoculant, or maybe not.
There is considerable pent up frustration about twitler which may not be relieved until we are rid of him. I share in that. I just don't blame Speaker Pelosi for not having either a magic wand or the grassroots support of the general public, yet. From your comments, I don't believe you place blame on her, either.
BTW, this thread keeps sliding down the page too fast.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12305824
And lookee at the time on this grumbly wumbly downer Eyeore post... Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:34 AM
3. note the groundswell of grumbling
From pundits to people on the street, the calls for impeachment have been increasing. This gives a snowballing of support for representatives.
It is still my opinion that a formal impeachment inquiry should begin now and pull in all of various, ongoing investigations under its umbrella. I believe this will have an even larger snowball effect among the general electorate due to the increased attention it would demand from the media. That racist rally may have been the turning point for a lot of people who were not really paying attention before.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12305871
And lookee at the timestamp on my very firstest post in this thread! Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:08 AM
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12305954
If I posted the first grumblepuss downer post on this thread, then I can time travel.
Kick!
Do go on...
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,238 posts)Starfishsaver posted reply #1, which I took to be sarcasm.
DemminPennwoods posted reply #2, the "6 page guide to... impeachment".
I posted #3 in response to Starfishsaver.
FBaggins posted #4, with sarcasm explicitly noted:
mcar posted #5, awaiting kvetching.
You posted #6 in response to Starfishsaver's #1, with examples of complaints seen in the wild and an emphasis on the public spotlight paragraph.
The very next reply, #7, is the one I thought was channelling Eeyore. No time travel required, no time zone corrections needed.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And now you are embarassed, and I understand why.
Kick!
But have you scolded that other reaaaallllyyy grumpy and downer poster yet? Now they're saying "It's fucking sad!"
Go tell them to stop being an Eyeore that curses!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12307220
32. Uhhhh, Messaging?! We don't need messaging! We need to do what is right!
This makes it sound like what it seems they are making it about: politics. It's not about politics. It's about standing up to those who would abuse their power and disregard the Constitution. This is just so fucking sad.
mcar
(42,278 posts)Kick!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"You sure brought this happy thread down."
They said TURD, too!!!! Give 'em the Eyeore what for!! Why waste time trying to convince me I'm the grumbliest?
34. A messaging campaign (i.e. marketing) is worse than doing nothing
Especially when the marketing is painting a turd (i.e. we're not going to impeach).
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12307238
melman
(7,681 posts)Some people...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211210975#post58
mcar
(42,278 posts)I remember when some on this board would scream and holler "why doesn't President Obama say this?" "why doesn't President Obama say that?"
Then he'd say this or that and they'd sniff, "talk is cheap."
Nothing is ever good enough.
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And then there are those who apparently came to this post specifically to criticize me for things they themselves are guilty of... almost as if they were called in as backup.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211210975#post58
Hekate
(90,537 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and reply to posts that came after me...
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Who was told what Trump was guilty of said she did not know that about Trump because she only listened to conservative news!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)are influenced by any facts that don't confirm their bias.
I predict they will go into "backfire mode" where one doubles down the more they are presented with evidence that they are wrong about something.
Hekate
(90,537 posts)I await developments with interest.
leftstreet
(36,097 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)In other words, of doing the right thing.
It's not about making Republican Congresspeople realize ethics... its about exposing all the wrong-doing and then getting republicans on the record for turning a blind eye to it.
The blind support for Nancy's failing strategy here is beyond belief.
Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #43)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's called trusting those who know what they are doing.
And no one knows more about this than Speaker Pelosi. Objectively speaking. She knows WAY more than you or I, and has more experience than most people, and unlike some politicians who think that listening to other people with more expertise in areas than you do is a sign of weakness, or that changing one's tactics when when one gets new data or facts is "waffling" Speaker Pelosi has the mental agility to work within a situation where information and events change daily.
Now, if one is generally frightened and decides that it's about him not being impeached, or perhaps are just scared that Madame Speaker is at the wheel, there is much in the way of logical deduction that might be "beyond belief."
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)This makes it sound like what it seems they are making it about: politics. It's not about politics. It's about standing up to those who would abuse their power and disregard the Constitution. This is just so fucking sad.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So, actually, it is indeed "about politics." By definition.
You're welcome.
Pelosi is doing the job she was tasked to do by Congressional Democrats. And certainly standing up to them by making public statements is part of that. And you think "it's fucking sad," and "worse than doing nothing."
You don't like her, we get it.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Sometimes we have to do the things that aren't politically expedient. It's part of the job.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you specify what it is that "isn't politically expedient" that isn't being done...about what you have now agreed is a 'political' process? Especially since you suddenly think that 'messaging' isn't a part of politics...
It sounds sort of like a RW'er when they say that women have abortions because a full term pregnancy and childbearing wouldn't be "convenient" or "expedient."
But do explain about how impeachment or not impeaching could be dismissed as a matter of mere political "expedience."
What does the "it's" a pronoun for in that sentence? That "politically inexpedient" thing you are saying is being made worse by "MESSAGING," which you say doesn't seem to have any place in what are actually political processes and actions.
You don't like her, we get it. When she does something - its wrong. When she doesn't do something, then it's because it's not "politically expedient" whatever that vague insult is supposed to encompass. She does her job, and she isn't worried about whether you or people who agree with you, are pleased by it or not. No matter what new responsibilities are attributed to Speaker of the House daily by those that need a scapegoat for their personal reactions and anxieties.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)working out....
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Lemme guess - that's where you get your information on impeachment, and what the duties of the Speaker are? That's what validates your using Pelosi as a scapegoat?
That's messaging, Hon. With pictures.... I guess it's OK then when it's used to trash Speaker Pelosi.
And you must be confusing me with someone else who said "12 dimensional chess" or you're just attacking a straw man you keep around for this purpose.
Sorry, not gonna defend that one for ya.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)That's fine. I get it. I see it every day, just not as much from Democrats as other types of voters.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Because if someone doesn't agree with you that she's the source of all that is wrong, and points out that she has more experience than you do in Congress, along with the confidence of her peers to be their leader over and over again...
That can't POSSIBLY be making an informed decision about who is most qualified to make that call that she was chosen by Democrats to makd ... it's just "blindly clapping" for that woman - Nancy. Her title is Speaker Pelosi, BTW. Does she rankle so much that it's impossible to even type that?
When one feel a need to resort to two logical fallacies rolled up in one to make one's point, maybe one's point is due to be reexamined. I see it every day, just not as much from Democrats as other types of voters.
Like the ones who reduce unplanned pregnancy and childbearing to mere 'inexpediencies" for a woman.
Just a thought.
Response to ehrnst (Reply #49)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When all other arguments fail - CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Got it. Sounds like a tried and true tactic.
on edit: (just in case)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Along with projection...
Really nailed it, didn't I?
I'll bet you respond to this because you can't help it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Look at my sig line... in every reply I've bothered with in this thread.
Really nailed it, didn't I?
What now?
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And of course, I took it from your sig.
Figured you'd like that.
Doesn't change a damn thing though. She's playing this wrong. The only redemption she has is if impeachment proceedings come out of the hearings with Mueller but given everything I've seen so far, I do not expect that to happen.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She doesn't need the "redemption" of your personal approval, despite what you are convinced of. And unlike you, she doesn't consider it 'playing' she considers it her job, and one that is deadly serious at this point in history. She will keep on doing her job unil at least until 2020. You're going to need to find a way to get your blood pressure down about her before that. But don't you fret - that mean lady who just won't do what you want has promised that she will leave in 2024. You can hang on until then, right? You'll have all that time to bash anything and everything she does. Or doesn't do, so there's that.
But do tell me, what credentials do you have to make that call about when and if impeachment? How many decades in Congress? How many 'impossible' bills like the ACA have you gotten into law? Why should I trust your judgement more than hers making this call? Or that cartoonist you proffered as solid factual intellectual backup to your anger at that lady politician. Really. A cartoon...
Because you are angry? Really, really angry? And really really sure that you're right? I hear that alot from voters, some of them Democrats... (see what I did there?)
See, I'm not the one making "blind" judgements. I'm just not hobbled by anger at the very sight of her like some are, so I can assess logically, who is more qualified and who is less qualified. And then I make up my mind. I'm not calling you blind - although rage and fear and anxiety can indeed blind one to the part of the brain that makes intellectual decisions.
You have avoided several questions I asked about what "not being politically expedient" means. I'll take it you are afraid of my response, since you've called me a "liar" and tried to change the topic when I hit a particularly sensitive nerve.
Take a break. It sounds like you need it.
And I can say anything with impunity if I just put a
there. Glad you told me that.
Cha
(296,775 posts)that so well!