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babylonsister

(171,029 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:10 AM Jul 2019

Pelosi, Democrats launch Mueller messaging blitz


Pelosi, Democrats launch Mueller messaging blitz
By Mike Lillis - 07/23/19 06:57 AM EDT


House Democrats on Tuesday will launch an aggressive communications campaign to highlight Robert Mueller's sweeping investigation into Russian election interference just ahead of the former special counsel's appearance before Congress for a pair of hotly anticipated hearings.

The office of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has crunched Mueller's 448-page report into a six-page document, featuring the former FBI director's most damning findings, which will be distributed Tuesday to Democratic lawmakers to guide their outreach to voters as all eyes in Washington turn to Mueller's testimony.

Dubbed "Exposing the Truth," the six-page memo was coordinated between Pelosi's office and the two committees where Mueller will appear on Wednesday: Judiciary, chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), and Intelligence, led by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.).

From a messaging standpoint, the operation, along with an accompanying social media campaign, is designed to put a public spotlight on both the vulnerabilities in America's election system and President Trump's conduct before and after winning the White House, as noted by Mueller's findings. As a political tool, it's meant to pressure Republicans to consider the election, ethics and national security reforms Democrats have pushed heading into the polls next year.

"We're at this incredible moment in time where we could either move forward as a unified nation in a very patriotic way to address these issues and these vulnerabilities, or our Republican colleagues will force us to turn the page ... on one of the greatest threats facing our nation right now," said a Democratic leadership aide.

"We're hoping this will heighten the sense of urgency for a whole-of-government response to protect our democracy going forward."


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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454248-pelosi-dems-launch-mueller-messaging-blitz
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Pelosi, Democrats launch Mueller messaging blitz (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2019 OP
But I thought the Democrats aren't doing anything? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #1
note the groundswell of grumbling Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #3
Trump is still president FBaggins Jul 2019 #4
IKR... ehrnst Jul 2019 #6
This faction of our party is going to make sure we get 4 more years of numb nuts. redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #33
A messaging campaign (i.e. marketing) is worse than doing nothing berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #34
Ah yes. We have kvetching now that it's WORSE THAN DOING NOTHING!! ehrnst Jul 2019 #35
IOW, a 6 page guide to... DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #2
Good move mcar Jul 2019 #5
3...2...1... ehrnst Jul 2019 #7
congrats Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #9
How so? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #10
reply #7 reads like Eeyore Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #12
I think it's meant to discourage those who typically do such things... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #13
I thought it -was- light! Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #23
So...so... light... ehrnst Jul 2019 #28
Okay. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #58
So agreeing with Mcar that some other people will in fact likely be unhappy with something ehrnst Jul 2019 #14
It's already happening mcar Jul 2019 #17
IKR? ehrnst Jul 2019 #18
don't blame me if it rains Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #24
When others who decided to enter this thread only to criticize me ehrnst Jul 2019 #25
was, too Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #30
How could I reply to something that came 'after' my post... ehrnst Jul 2019 #31
you're confusing Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #38
No, you got confused and posted before you really saw what you were complaining about. ehrnst Jul 2019 #41
Actually, I think mine was the first of its kind in the thread mcar Jul 2019 #26
OOOhhh - now here's a real grumbler. Go 'congratulate' them and tell them ehrnst Jul 2019 #36
Some people have a gift melman Jul 2019 #15
IKR? ehrnst Jul 2019 #19
.. George II Jul 2019 #62
It never changes mcar Jul 2019 #16
Indeed. ehrnst Jul 2019 #22
GMTA. You and ehrnst beat me to it. nt Hekate Jul 2019 #20
... mcar Jul 2019 #27
Apparently I can time travel now... ehrnst Jul 2019 #39
I heard a Trump supporter this morning True Blue American Jul 2019 #8
Well, hopefully this will penetrate a little, but I doubt that many true Trump supporters ehrnst Jul 2019 #11
Excellent news! Hopefully we'll all have a copy of those 6 pages shortly! Hekate Jul 2019 #21
LOLOL "meant to pressure Republicans to consider...ethics" leftstreet Jul 2019 #29
You mean like many people say impeachment would do? ehrnst Jul 2019 #40
I'm amazed at the fear among people here for impeaching Trump berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #43
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #48
..... ehrnst Jul 2019 #60
Fear? Not at all. ehrnst Jul 2019 #59
Uhhhh, Messaging?! We don't need messaging! We need to do what is right! berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #32
Actually, impeachment is a political process, not a judicial or criminal one. ehrnst Jul 2019 #37
It's more than politics. It's the Constitutional obligation. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #42
So now you're saying that it is politics.... and messaging has nothing to do with it. ehrnst Jul 2019 #44
It's not about liking or disliking any politician. Please tell me how the 12th dimensional chess is berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #45
Well, a cartoon. I guess that TOTALLY validates your anger at Pelosi. ehrnst Jul 2019 #46
I see it really bothers you that not everyone blindly claps for Nancy berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #47
And we have straw man #2 - combined with a false dillema: "Blindly clapping for Nancy" ehrnst Jul 2019 #49
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #50
And now we have fallacy #4 - red herring. ehrnst Jul 2019 #51
Like the 5 times you've changed it? Projection and demonizing those who don't agree with you berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #52
And we have the double down on the red herring... ehrnst Jul 2019 #53
. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #54
That's SPEAKER Pelosi to you, BTW. ehrnst Jul 2019 #55
Called it. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #56
"She's playing this wrong." Because you say so? Because you read cartoons that say so? ehrnst Jul 2019 #57
Mahalo, ehrnst for explaining Cha Jul 2019 #61

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,238 posts)
3. note the groundswell of grumbling
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:34 AM
Jul 2019

From pundits to people on the street, the calls for impeachment have been increasing. This gives a snowballing of support for representatives.

It is still my opinion that a formal impeachment inquiry should begin now and pull in all of various, ongoing investigations under its umbrella. I believe this will have an even larger snowball effect among the general electorate due to the increased attention it would demand from the media. That racist rally may have been the turning point for a lot of people who were not really paying attention before.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
6. IKR...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jul 2019

But watch the collective hand wringing "Why aren't Congressional Dems DOING ANYTHING about {election security, the Mueller Report, Trump's conduct, the GOP majority in the Senate, Stephen Miller, the situation at the border, Mitch McConnell, disrespectful photoshopped photos of AOC on twitter, etc)", and snide comparisons to a "strongly worded letter" to those who need to feed their confirmation bias about Pelosi, no matter what she does.

They may skip right over this,..


From a messaging standpoint, the operation, along with an accompanying social media campaign, is designed to put a public spotlight on both the vulnerabilities in America's election system and President Trump's conduct before and after winning the White House, as noted by Mueller's findings.
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
34. A messaging campaign (i.e. marketing) is worse than doing nothing
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jul 2019

Especially when the marketing is painting a turd (i.e. we're not going to impeach).

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
35. Ah yes. We have kvetching now that it's WORSE THAN DOING NOTHING!!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jul 2019

I'll give you this - that's going above and beyond in damned if she does/damned if she doesn't Pelosi-kvetching.

There are those that believe that ill-timed impeachment hearings would be "worse than not impeaching," in terms of a cost benefit analysis in the 2020 elections, and therefore the future of this country.

I'm glad that she has a spine of steel, and an intellect and experience to match. It's just got to grind some people that she doesn't worry about pleasing them when she's making decisions that she's been selected by her Democratic peers to make.



MCAR... you must have a crystal ball..

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
7. 3...2...1...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jul 2019

"Just another Strongly worded letter"

"It took them too long - this should have been done 10 minutes after the report came out."

"How lame. They should have been holding press conferences EVERY DAY from day one yelling at the top of their lungs about this!"

"But when will they start holding Trump accountable?"

"Unless they're starting impeachment hearings immediately, they are DOING NOTHING about/ the crisis at the border/people without healthcare/obscene photoshopped pictures of AOC on twitter/election security/Trumps racist tweets/ the revelations in the Mueller report/Trump still being in office/the revelations in the Mueller report/election security."

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,238 posts)
12. reply #7 reads like Eeyore
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jul 2019

You left out, "Most likely lose it again, anyway."

And, "Sure is a cheerful color. Guess I’ll have to get used to it."

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. I think it's meant to discourage those who typically do such things...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jul 2019

... and to ridicule them. Lighten up.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. So...so... light...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jul 2019
Hermit-The-Prog (7,220 posts)

9. congrats

You sure brought this happy thread down.


Mcar sure called it in post #5 when she said "I await the kvetching.".. and there you were.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. So agreeing with Mcar that some other people will in fact likely be unhappy with something
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jul 2019

makes you unhappy?

That reads like Eyeore, don't you think?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,238 posts)
24. don't blame me if it rains
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jul 2019

Your (presumably anticipatory) comments were the first of their kind in the thread. Sure it kicked the OP so others get to find it easier, but dayum it could be seeding the clouds that come!

So, sticking with Eeyore, "Don't blame me if it rains."


P.S., Kick.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. When others who decided to enter this thread only to criticize me
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:05 PM
Jul 2019

who are guilty themselves... well, that took it beyond the thread.

Your (presumably anticipatory) comments were the first of their kind in the thread.


Also, do you even know what kvetch means? In the post I responded to...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212305822#post5

So, no, you're wrong, I wasn't the first. But do go on explaining why you decided to "Eyeore" me in particular.

Kick!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,238 posts)
30. was, too
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jul 2019
So, no, you're wrong, I wasn't the first. But do go on explaining why you decided to "Eyeore" me in particular.


Thank you for the invitation.

Check replies 1 - 6. There was no kvetching at that time. I recognize those you paraphrased in 7 -- there has been a lot of it going around here -- but they were, indeed, the first of their kind in this thread. Maybe they will act as an inoculant, or maybe not.

There is considerable pent up frustration about twitler which may not be relieved until we are rid of him. I share in that. I just don't blame Speaker Pelosi for not having either a magic wand or the grassroots support of the general public, yet. From your comments, I don't believe you place blame on her, either.


BTW, this thread keeps sliding down the page too fast.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
31. How could I reply to something that came 'after' my post...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jul 2019


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12305824

And lookee at the time on this grumbly wumbly downer Eyeore post... Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:34 AM

Hermit-The-Prog (7,221 posts)

3. note the groundswell of grumbling

From pundits to people on the street, the calls for impeachment have been increasing. This gives a snowballing of support for representatives.

It is still my opinion that a formal impeachment inquiry should begin now and pull in all of various, ongoing investigations under its umbrella. I believe this will have an even larger snowball effect among the general electorate due to the increased attention it would demand from the media. That racist rally may have been the turning point for a lot of people who were not really paying attention before.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12305871

And lookee at the timestamp on my very firstest post in this thread! Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:08 AM

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12305954

If I posted the first grumblepuss downer post on this thread, then I can time travel.

Kick!

Do go on...

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,238 posts)
38. you're confusing
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jul 2019

Starfishsaver posted reply #1, which I took to be sarcasm.
DemminPennwoods posted reply #2, the "6 page guide to... impeachment".
I posted #3 in response to Starfishsaver.
FBaggins posted #4, with sarcasm explicitly noted:
mcar posted #5, awaiting kvetching.
You posted #6 in response to Starfishsaver's #1, with examples of complaints seen in the wild and an emphasis on the public spotlight paragraph.

The very next reply, #7, is the one I thought was channelling Eeyore. No time travel required, no time zone corrections needed.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. No, you got confused and posted before you really saw what you were complaining about.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jul 2019

And now you are embarassed, and I understand why.

Kick!



But have you scolded that other reaaaallllyyy grumpy and downer poster yet? Now they're saying "It's fucking sad!"

Go tell them to stop being an Eyeore that curses!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12307220

berni_mccoy (21,213 posts)

32. Uhhhh, Messaging?! We don't need messaging! We need to do what is right!

This makes it sound like what it seems they are making it about: politics. It's not about politics. It's about standing up to those who would abuse their power and disregard the Constitution. This is just so fucking sad.




 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. OOOhhh - now here's a real grumbler. Go 'congratulate' them and tell them
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jul 2019

"You sure brought this happy thread down."

They said TURD, too!!!! Give 'em the Eyeore what for!! Why waste time trying to convince me I'm the grumbliest?

berni_mccoy (21,212 posts)

34. A messaging campaign (i.e. marketing) is worse than doing nothing

Especially when the marketing is painting a turd (i.e. we're not going to impeach).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12307238

mcar

(42,278 posts)
16. It never changes
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jul 2019

I remember when some on this board would scream and holler "why doesn't President Obama say this?" "why doesn't President Obama say that?"

Then he'd say this or that and they'd sniff, "talk is cheap."

Nothing is ever good enough.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. Indeed.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:14 PM - Edit history (2)

And then there are those who apparently came to this post specifically to criticize me for things they themselves are guilty of... almost as if they were called in as backup.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211210975#post58



True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
8. I heard a Trump supporter this morning
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jul 2019

Who was told what Trump was guilty of said she did not know that about Trump because she only listened to conservative news!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Well, hopefully this will penetrate a little, but I doubt that many true Trump supporters
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jul 2019

are influenced by any facts that don't confirm their bias.

I predict they will go into "backfire mode" where one doubles down the more they are presented with evidence that they are wrong about something.

Hekate

(90,537 posts)
21. Excellent news! Hopefully we'll all have a copy of those 6 pages shortly!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:39 PM
Jul 2019

I await developments with interest.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
43. I'm amazed at the fear among people here for impeaching Trump
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jul 2019

In other words, of doing the right thing.

It's not about making Republican Congresspeople realize ethics... its about exposing all the wrong-doing and then getting republicans on the record for turning a blind eye to it.

The blind support for Nancy's failing strategy here is beyond belief.

Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #43)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
59. Fear? Not at all.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jul 2019

It's called trusting those who know what they are doing.

And no one knows more about this than Speaker Pelosi. Objectively speaking. She knows WAY more than you or I, and has more experience than most people, and unlike some politicians who think that listening to other people with more expertise in areas than you do is a sign of weakness, or that changing one's tactics when when one gets new data or facts is "waffling" Speaker Pelosi has the mental agility to work within a situation where information and events change daily.

Now, if one is generally frightened and decides that it's about him not being impeached, or perhaps are just scared that Madame Speaker is at the wheel, there is much in the way of logical deduction that might be "beyond belief."

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
32. Uhhhh, Messaging?! We don't need messaging! We need to do what is right!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jul 2019

This makes it sound like what it seems they are making it about: politics. It's not about politics. It's about standing up to those who would abuse their power and disregard the Constitution. This is just so fucking sad.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. Actually, impeachment is a political process, not a judicial or criminal one.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:51 PM
Jul 2019

So, actually, it is indeed "about politics." By definition.

You're welcome.

It's about standing up to those who would abuse their power and disregard the Constitution


Pelosi is doing the job she was tasked to do by Congressional Democrats. And certainly standing up to them by making public statements is part of that. And you think "it's fucking sad," and "worse than doing nothing."

You don't like her, we get it.



 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
42. It's more than politics. It's the Constitutional obligation.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jul 2019

Sometimes we have to do the things that aren't politically expedient. It's part of the job.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. So now you're saying that it is politics.... and messaging has nothing to do with it.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jul 2019
Sometimes we have to do the things that aren't politically expedient. It's part of the job.


Can you specify what it is that "isn't politically expedient" that isn't being done...about what you have now agreed is a 'political' process? Especially since you suddenly think that 'messaging' isn't a part of politics...

It sounds sort of like a RW'er when they say that women have abortions because a full term pregnancy and childbearing wouldn't be "convenient" or "expedient."

But do explain about how impeachment or not impeaching could be dismissed as a matter of mere political "expedience."

It's the Constitutional obligation.


What does the "it's" a pronoun for in that sentence? That "politically inexpedient" thing you are saying is being made worse by "MESSAGING," which you say doesn't seem to have any place in what are actually political processes and actions.

You don't like her, we get it. When she does something - its wrong. When she doesn't do something, then it's because it's not "politically expedient" whatever that vague insult is supposed to encompass. She does her job, and she isn't worried about whether you or people who agree with you, are pleased by it or not. No matter what new responsibilities are attributed to Speaker of the House daily by those that need a scapegoat for their personal reactions and anxieties.





 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
45. It's not about liking or disliking any politician. Please tell me how the 12th dimensional chess is
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jul 2019

working out....
?1562960706

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
46. Well, a cartoon. I guess that TOTALLY validates your anger at Pelosi.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jul 2019

Lemme guess - that's where you get your information on impeachment, and what the duties of the Speaker are? That's what validates your using Pelosi as a scapegoat?

That's messaging, Hon. With pictures.... I guess it's OK then when it's used to trash Speaker Pelosi.


And you must be confusing me with someone else who said "12 dimensional chess" or you're just attacking a straw man you keep around for this purpose.

Sorry, not gonna defend that one for ya.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
47. I see it really bothers you that not everyone blindly claps for Nancy
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jul 2019

That's fine. I get it. I see it every day, just not as much from Democrats as other types of voters.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. And we have straw man #2 - combined with a false dillema: "Blindly clapping for Nancy"
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jul 2019

Because if someone doesn't agree with you that she's the source of all that is wrong, and points out that she has more experience than you do in Congress, along with the confidence of her peers to be their leader over and over again...

That can't POSSIBLY be making an informed decision about who is most qualified to make that call that she was chosen by Democrats to makd ... it's just "blindly clapping" for that woman - Nancy. Her title is Speaker Pelosi, BTW. Does she rankle so much that it's impossible to even type that?

When one feel a need to resort to two logical fallacies rolled up in one to make one's point, maybe one's point is due to be reexamined. I see it every day, just not as much from Democrats as other types of voters.

Like the ones who reduce unplanned pregnancy and childbearing to mere 'inexpediencies" for a woman.

Just a thought.





Response to ehrnst (Reply #49)

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
52. Like the 5 times you've changed it? Projection and demonizing those who don't agree with you
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:32 PM
Jul 2019

Got it. Sounds like a tried and true tactic.

on edit: (just in case)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
53. And we have the double down on the red herring...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jul 2019

Along with projection...

Really nailed it, didn't I?



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
55. That's SPEAKER Pelosi to you, BTW.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jul 2019

Look at my sig line... in every reply I've bothered with in this thread.



Really nailed it, didn't I?

What now?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
56. Called it.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:37 PM
Jul 2019

And of course, I took it from your sig.

Figured you'd like that.

Doesn't change a damn thing though. She's playing this wrong. The only redemption she has is if impeachment proceedings come out of the hearings with Mueller but given everything I've seen so far, I do not expect that to happen.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
57. "She's playing this wrong." Because you say so? Because you read cartoons that say so?
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:46 PM
Jul 2019


The only redemption she has...


She doesn't need the "redemption" of your personal approval, despite what you are convinced of. And unlike you, she doesn't consider it 'playing' she considers it her job, and one that is deadly serious at this point in history. She will keep on doing her job unil at least until 2020. You're going to need to find a way to get your blood pressure down about her before that. But don't you fret - that mean lady who just won't do what you want has promised that she will leave in 2024. You can hang on until then, right? You'll have all that time to bash anything and everything she does. Or doesn't do, so there's that.

But do tell me, what credentials do you have to make that call about when and if impeachment? How many decades in Congress? How many 'impossible' bills like the ACA have you gotten into law? Why should I trust your judgement more than hers making this call? Or that cartoonist you proffered as solid factual intellectual backup to your anger at that lady politician. Really. A cartoon...

Because you are angry? Really, really angry? And really really sure that you're right? I hear that alot from voters, some of them Democrats... (see what I did there?)

See, I'm not the one making "blind" judgements. I'm just not hobbled by anger at the very sight of her like some are, so I can assess logically, who is more qualified and who is less qualified. And then I make up my mind. I'm not calling you blind - although rage and fear and anxiety can indeed blind one to the part of the brain that makes intellectual decisions.

You have avoided several questions I asked about what "not being politically expedient" means. I'll take it you are afraid of my response, since you've called me a "liar" and tried to change the topic when I hit a particularly sensitive nerve.

Take a break. It sounds like you need it.



And I can say anything with impunity if I just put a



there. Glad you told me that.

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