If Pelosi had the the power to force 100+ Democrats to support impeachment over their objection

[StarfishSaver]

wouldn't she also have the power to force the Democrats who are calling for impeachment to shut up already if she really wanted to take impeachment "off the table"?

Let's be real. If, as some keep claiming, Pelosi really wanted impeachment "off the table," and she's as powerful as they insist she is (at least powerful enough to force the vast majority of her caucus to vote her way just by telling them to, even if they don't want to), why hasn't she shut down impeachment talk and why is support in the caucus for impeachment growing, not lessening?

If you think Pelosi has the power to force a majority of her caucus to support impeachment, if you're honest, you must agree she has the power to force a minority of her caucus to STOP supporting impeachment. And the fact that she hasn't done the latter means either she doesn't want them to back off of pushing for impeachment or she can't force a majority of her caucus to support it. Or both.

You can't have it both ways, folks.

[uponit7771]

1. Pelosi had enough votes for those concentration camps she has enough votes for impeachment

I'm holding out that this is a timing issue and not that she's going to placate the Democratic party with not holding Donald Trump responsible

Not impeaching Trump would be dangerous politics that will be a tangible reason not to support the Democratic platform in 2020 for people who are on the fence for voting.


There are no true or good reasons that are against impeachment politically outside of timing

[StarfishSaver]

3. "Pelosi had enough votes for those concentration camps she has enough votes for impeachment"

How do you figure that?

[uponit7771]

4. Anyone who voted for the concentration camps are going to have to answer for it politically

There was no good reason to vote for funding the concentration camps and not holding the Trump administration to upholding the rule of law when it comes to asylum seekers

none zip nada

[StarfishSaver]

7. That doesn't explain your claim

Having the votes to support the funding bill doesn't equate to having the votes to support impeachment.

[uponit7771]

8. The vote for the funding bill is a harder political pull then impeachment

Seeing a majority of the democratic party wants to see Donald Trump impeached.

[StarfishSaver]

9. Still doesn't support your claim

[uponit7771]

17. Impeachment of Trump was around low 70s among democrats, not so much for concentration camp funding

... I'm thinking you're wanting something empirical.

[leftstreet]

13. +1

[gtar100]

2. Yea, we don't want to make it political, I hear.

Except that is the only type of argument being made against impeachment.

[Brawndo]

5. What you said about Speaker Pelosi is likely true

She is managing her caucus in a professional and strategic manner. But it has so far been a failure with regard to public perception. That perception is one of inaction and capitulation. It would be foolish to discount the effect that perception can have on voter enthusiasm and turnout.

The Democratic base needs to see a level of anger that is commensurate with the high crimes that are occurring on a daily basis and the depression that invariably comes from witnessing no consequences come of those violations. We need the morale boost of a fighter, even in the face of low odds of success. Not just a ton of kitchen-table issue bills that all die in the Senate.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, I'm very frustrated at the fact...

... that Republicans are willing to go to the point of breaking the rule of law, the spirit of law and at least precedent to get their agenda across.

The ... APPEARANCE ... Democrats are taking is to look like Mueller; a bunch of functionaries who believe the rule of law & sanctity of vote will rule the day most of the time.

Most of the time it will the other 49% of the time is what rip stuff up and hurts people and Republicans are willing to eat all the 49%.

democrats should use inherent contempt for instance and then let come with me when it comes to the courts. Republicans will do such in a split second and let it go all the way to the supreme Court while Democratic politician sit in jail.

[Poiuyt]

15. Excellent post

The Democrats look weak, and Pelosi isn't doing anything to counter that notion. Her job as Speaker of the House is to do more than just count votes. It's to be a leader.

[Brawndo]

16. She is currently the highest elected Democrat and the face of our party.

Short of an Impeachment inquiry, I just wish that face reflected the outrage I feel every day.

[GeorgeGist]

10. Agreed ...

she's weak on impeachment. Hurray, hurray.

[StarfishSaver]

11. It sounds like you don't agree

Or didn't read my OP (or both)

[standingtall]

12. Pelosi has the power not to discourage impeachment

which she clearly has done. Could be 100 Democrats are just waiting for Pelosi to give the green light. What will the excuses be after the Mueller testimony if an impeachment inquiry isn't launched? Either Pelosi supports impeachment or she doesn't. Cannot have it both ways. At least some people are honest enough admit they don't favor impeachment period while others try to straddle the fence on the issue.

[leftstreet]

14. Pelosi held a vote and 100+ reps voted no?

I did not know this