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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:29 PM Jul 2019

I do **not** expect to be disappointed by Robert Mueller's testimony tomorrow.

Mind you, there remains a good chance that we do not hear anything new tomorrow; that Mueller simply--as he did during his brief press statement several months ago--reiterates the findings of his reports and says little more than that.

So why wouldn't I be disappointed then?

The answer is simple.

The Mueller report--even as narrow and seemingly inconclusive as it appears--was actually quite damning towards Donald Trump.

Restating its conclusions in a highly visible forum will only reiterate its message.

The report found:

1. Russia openly supported Donald Trump in 2016 and took active measures to see to it that he was elected.
2. At a bare minimum, the Trump campaign was aware of these efforts, took no action to stop them, and openly welcomed them.
3. The special counsel had the power to exonerate Trump on obstruction of justice but expressly refused to do so, and then expressly noted that obstruction of justice was considered an impeachable offense for the purposes of Congressional oversight.
4. The report laid out at least 10 separate instances of potential obstruction of justice by Trump.

It wasn't all that we wanted--I know we all fantasized about a Roger Stone-esqe raid on the White House in the middle of the night. But it laid a pretty damn good predicate for impeachment.

So unless Mueller comes out and somehow backtracks on his report--i.e. says there wasn't enough evidence on obstruction--this hearing tomorrow should be a win for us because it keeps the conversation going. And I don't expect any backtracking to happen.

And anything good that comes out of the hearing beyond what was in the report is pure gravy.

The report appeared to refer matters to Congress for its consideration, and that's exactly what will be happening tomorrow. We just need to keep forward progress going.

Smile. You might not think it, but this will be a good thing, even if we don't hear a single new piece of information tomorrow.

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I do **not** expect to be disappointed by Robert Mueller's testimony tomorrow. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2019 OP
I do expect to be disappointed by Robert Mueller's testimony tomorrow... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #1
I too, expect to be disappointed RainCaster Jul 2019 #2
😊 I agree.. LEW Jul 2019 #3
THIS malaise Jul 2019 #4
Agree, thank you. Claritie Pixie Jul 2019 #5
i think we're going to get a mixed bag 0rganism Jul 2019 #6
It's kinda like the Lucy football thing Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #7
Unless Mueller states that trump and/or his campaign broke the law by working with Russians, Hoyt Jul 2019 #8

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
1. I do expect to be disappointed by Robert Mueller's testimony tomorrow...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:37 PM
Jul 2019

… but I'm wrong, sometimes. Mueller could easily turn this against Crooked Donald... but, I think he will answer in lawyerspeak and not provide the obvious damning phrases.

LEW

(1,072 posts)
3. 😊 I agree..
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jul 2019

and I admit to not reading the whole report...mostly because the first paragraph told me all I needed to know..

malaise

(268,710 posts)
4. THIS
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 05:46 PM
Jul 2019

The answer is simple.

The Mueller report--even as narrow and seemingly inconclusive as it appears--was actually quite damning towards Donald Trump.

Restating its conclusions in a highly visible forum will only reiterate its message.

0rganism

(23,929 posts)
6. i think we're going to get a mixed bag
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jul 2019

some of it will indeed go as you say, but, regardless of what is actually said, unless House Democrats immediately proceed to impeachment motions, Agent Orange will declare complete exoneration. the media will amplify his denial to the public, possibly with AG Barr's assistance.

we will see tomorrow.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
7. It's kinda like the Lucy football thing
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 06:20 PM
Jul 2019

I keep getting fooled over and over again I will feel like a fool not to keep expecting that

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Unless Mueller states that trump and/or his campaign broke the law by working with Russians,
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jul 2019

at best we are left with Obstruction.

I do not believe trump’s Obstruction— which we have all seen in plain sight for over 2 years — is going to hurt trump in public opinion.

I think he should be impeached for multiple reasons, but I fear this investigation, that largely absolves trump of criminality dealing with Russians, will not be enough at this point.

At a minimum, I hope the message is that Mueller did not investigate trump’s incompetence, using his office to advance racism and bigotry, adversely impacting foreign relations, encouraging (if not conspiring) Russia to interfere, not taking steps to stop interference, and a whole lot more.

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