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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/mueller-hearings-trump-russia/Heres the Bullshit That Republicans Are About to Throw at Mueller
Be prepared.
David Corn
BIG snip//
The big picture
Strzok and Page are only a piece of the uber-conspiracy theory cheered by Trump and his followers. The bottom line of their narrative is this: The FBI, as part of a grand plot, schemed to stop Trump from becoming president, and then, once he was in the White House, attempted to take him out. And the Russia investigation was the main tool for this job.
But this doesnt make sense. During the summer and fall of 2016, the FBI knew it was investigating the Russian attack and possible connections between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Did it reveal or leak this information to harm Trump? Not at all. It did the opposite. During an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee on September 28, 2016, Comey was asked repeatedly by Democrats if the bureau was examining links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He stuck to the rulebook and refused to answer the question. Perhaps more important, when the New York Times weeks later was investigating this subject, FBI sources told the papers reporters that it had found no ties between Trump and the Russian government. This is not what a Deep State conspiracy to smash Trump would have done. (Meanwhile, Comey revived the Clinton email server controversy in the final stretch of the campaigna move that damaged Clinton and possibly resulted in Trumps victory. Another Deep State oops?)
The FBI did not turn its Russia investigation into ammunition against Trump during the campaign. Nor did it do so after the election. It was not the FBI that leaked the Steele dossierwhich contained lurid, unsubstantiated allegations about Trump cavorting with prostitutes in Moscowto Buzzfeed, which posted the memos in early 2017. It was a John McCain aideand he was horrified when the memos were made public. And shortly before Trump moved into the White House, Comey tried to give the president-to-be a heads up about the dossier and its salacious contents. There is one inescapable conclusion: If there was a Deep State plotting against Trump, it did a damn poor job.
All of the above may be far too many weeds for the average viewer who tunes into the Mueller hearings. But for the past two years, the Trumpsters have tried conjuring all of this and more (I left out other mind-numbing details) into an alternative reality. A reality in which the Russian attack barely figures and doesnt matter, in which Trumps lies about his actions in Russia and his denials and dismissals of the Moscow assault do not exist. The endgame is not persuading America that their bizarre and untrue reality is what actually happened; its providing a counter to the damning (for Trump) reality that did transpire. Trump, Fox News, and the rest are purposefully breeding confusion and muddying up what truly is the most significant political scandal in modern American history.
Muellers report, though, presents a clear and basic view of what occurred. If his facts cannot be challenged, the Republicans will have to try to impeach his investigation, his people, and perhaps even Mueller himself. And if they cannot do that, the next best thing is to create a mess, make each of the two Mueller hearings a chaotic ruckus with plenty of theatrics, shouting, and conspiratorial charges. The cult of Trump has no choice. He is president in part because of the Russian attack. Worse, he encouraged it and helped Moscow cover it up. He then attempted to block the investigation. Neither Trump nor his supporters can admit this without undercutting his legitimacy. Any serious recognition, consideration, and acceptance of Muellers finding is a threat to Trump and his tribe. They need a different scripteven if its fake.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)he concluded the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)They can say: "We don't know what they want to hide - we are just trying to get to the truth..."
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)he concluded the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
Unless Mueller backtracks at this point, thats exactly what his report says regarding actions related to Russian interference. Now, Obstruction is a different matter, but it doesnt seem to register with voters, even though we saw trump obstruct for two years.
bluestarone
(16,859 posts)State that IF he were allowed to finish his investigation, HE could have established EXACTLY that and MORE!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)If we ask him if he was rushed, hell likely say No, leaving is screwed.
If he was rushed, he should have said so in report, in May, and yelled it to anyone who will listen every day.
Caliman73
(11,725 posts)that he was not able to establish evidence because so many people did not give truthful testimony or were blocked from providing testimony?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)"Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."
Unfortunately, Mueller says over and over that "the investigation did not identify evidence . . . . . ." and "the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
If only he had said -- "However, it is HIGHLY LIKELY if witnesses were more forthcoming, etc. . . . . . ." He didn't say that.
triron
(21,984 posts)conspiracy. His report is BS in that respect.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I just cant prove it will all the crud they flung to obscure the truth.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that may be why Trump hates McCain so much.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)to get more out of Mueller.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)No matter what we do. Their argument is 100% Q Anon bullshit. We might as well expose it now. Let them try to prove their allegations. If we come out swinging the whole Trump dynasty could just fall like a house of cards.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)...that a couple of Republicans will embarrass themselves tomorrow.
babylonsister
(171,032 posts)Good chance!
Zambero
(8,962 posts)who invariably checks in his coat and brain at the door. So whenever he makes an utter fool of himself, which is most of the time, he's too brainless to even realize it!
maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)The Firehose of Falsity.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Ohioboy
(3,238 posts)It was to investigate how Russia interfered with the election. It wasn't a smear tactic on Trump. Trump would have never been part of the investigation if it hadn't been for all the suspicious ties between the Russians and his campaign! Please tell Trump supporters to stand up for America when she is trying to investigate how a foreign power meddled in our elections. Instead they always want to make it about "getting Trump", like it was a one-sided political thing, and not about Russian interference.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)"But this doesnt make sense". Of course it doesn't, the GOP doesn't care if it makes sense or not. They are there to distract and grandstand for their Dear Leader. Their cult will eat it up, whether it makes sense or is crazy BS.
farmbo
(3,121 posts)... also known as, Republicans throwing as much BS against the wall as possible to see what might stick.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop