There will never be enough evidence to convict Donald Trump in the US Senate...

[kentuck]

Even if he actually, in a rage, murders someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue - with witnesses - with cops on the scene - with Franklin Graham praying for the victim's soul... They would see their mothers in shackles and chains before they would turn on their beloved Leader.

So, if the Democrats are waiting on "more evidence", they are wasting our time and their time. If they don't have enough evidence right now, they will never have enough evidence.

They will be gone on summer recess for 42 days, in one of the most dangerous and critical times in our nation's history. For political reasons, they cannot make a decision about Mr Trump. Speaker Pelosi is absolutely correct that it would divide the country. But Donald Trump will divide the nation as much as he possibly can before the next election anyway. To worry about "dividing the country" should be the least of our worries.

What will they gain if they impeach Mr Trump and then lose the election? What will they gain if they don't impeach Mr Trump and still lose the election? When you "cross the Rubicon", you cannot go back. Has the decision already been made? Have they already crossed the Rubicon ?

[Funtatlaguy]

1. In many ways I feel like our country left us in 2016.

I always suspected there was a huge amount of closet bigots, racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobe, etc. out there.
This country may not deserve saving.
November 2020 is our last chance.

[RKP5637]

8. I never realized there were so many hateful people in the US! I've been stunned at

all of the hatred over and over again. WTF is the US becoming.

[Funtatlaguy]

14. I'm afraid it's who we've been. I've lost friends over this.

[RKP5637]

15. Yep, tRump just brought it out into the open and created a political force. It's quite pathetic and

sad.

[JI7]

2. all Democrats are not supporting it right now. they had a vote which only got like 90 something

[kentuck]

3. I don't think that was a serious vote?

The only charge was for "unfitness" for the office of the President. Which should have been enough, but there was nothing from the Mueller Report, or about Stormy Daniels, or about being in bed with the Russians, and lying about it, or making huge bucks off foreign sources, etc.

[JI7]

4. they still don't have the votes.

[RussBLib]

5. There is still a lot of evidence that could be obtained

Such as Trump's taxes and other financial docs, testimony from Don McGhan could be helpful, the redacted portions of the Meuller report have yet to be revealed, not to mention some of the matters sent to the SDNY, and info on the Russian hacking is still out there.

All this "you have to impeach NOW" garbage is just that. Pundits who all seem to be on the same page should have no bearing on the timing of impeachment.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. Each day the ILLEGITIMATE president puts PUPPET judges on our courts to make sure

nothing ever happens to him or any republican.

[RKP5637]

9. It is so damn dangerous to the future of the US!!! n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. OH we have gone too far, the damage, and it is by design, is too great.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. IF we arent able to replace him we are done, for good. Country will be gone, for good.

[Mike Nelson]

10. Right...

… there are not 67 votes to convict, presently. Crooked Donald would run for reelection on his "acquittal". Many people that thought "Impeach" meant something will get fed up with "the system" and quit voting.

[durablend]

12. Newsflash

"Crooked Donald would run for reelection on his "acquittal". "

He's going to do that anyway even without an impeachment.

"SORE LOSER DEMS WASTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND AMERICA'S TIME ON A WITCH HUNT AGAINST ME BECAUSE THEY HATE AMERICA!!"

[RussBLib]

13. This board seems full of doomsayers

I know the situation is bad, but if everyone tunes out and throws up their hands, we really are cooked.

[Funtatlaguy]

16. I'm sure it ebbs and flows. But, those here are the hardcore

We will donate, phone bank, canvass for our nominee and state candidates.
Not to worry.

[kentuck]

17. If Donald Trump disobeys a court order...

...that could be the moment that Pelosi and Schiff are looking for?

That could be the magic bullet.

Just think of what we are now accepting as "normal"...

[Thomas Hurt]

18. Mitch the fascist turtle will never even begin proceedings if it comes to that...

[empedocles]

19. Evidence matters - in the polls

[Martin Eden]

20. The real impeachment trial will be in the court of public opinion

There is already more than enough evidence to convict, in the context of why the impeachment clause is in our Constitution.

Pelosi is making political calculations about the court of public opinion, the votes in her own caucus, and how all of this will impact the 2020 election.

There is much more room for reasonable doubt as to how this might play out politically than there is about Trump's guilt for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Personally, I think the House has a duty to impeach. To do otherwise is to tacitly accept Trump's crimes as normal politics.

When in doubt, DO THE RIGHT THING.