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Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:48 AM Aug 2012

How Can You Be "Pro-Life" and Call for Draconian Cuts to Medicaid?

Isn't access to healthcare necessary to prolong life? What kind of life can you have if you cannot get treatment for ailments that kill you?

Poor pregnant women, children, the elderly rely on Medicaid in order to live, and if Ryan's cuts are passed into law, they may die. Isn't this rationing healthcare?

Doesn't life extends beyond conception and birth,

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How Can You Be "Pro-Life" and Call for Draconian Cuts to Medicaid? (Original Post) Yavin4 Aug 2012 OP
not pro-life. Only pro-birth. CurtEastPoint Aug 2012 #1
How can you value "individual freedom" and be "pro-life?" Chorophyll Aug 2012 #2
There is the "consistent life ethic" supported by some. (But sadly, not enough.) Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #3
It's a genitalia-focused agenda jsr Aug 2012 #4
Cuts to Medicaid only affect poor people... Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #5
The republican view of 'pro-life' is anything but pro-life. PDJane Aug 2012 #6
"Pro-Life" is simply a meme and has no relationship at all to reality MANative Aug 2012 #7
I've come to the belief that.... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #8
Absolutely. And what proved it for me... MANative Aug 2012 #9

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
2. How can you value "individual freedom" and be "pro-life?"
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:52 AM
Aug 2012

Another Republican conundrum. I do think the GOP attracts simplistic thinkers.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
3. There is the "consistent life ethic" supported by some. (But sadly, not enough.)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:52 AM
Aug 2012

Also known in religious circles as the "seamless garment" theology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic

It's an interesting philosophy, and a shame more haven't picked up on it. The fact that most anti-abortion advocates have married themselves to a political party that goes by ruthless--and I would say immoral--economic policies of the likes of Ayn Rand is a sad, sad phenomoenon and reflection on today's politics.

But here's the thing. The economic policy of the Republican party only supports the 1%. The Republican party would die a quick and rightful death if it only went on its economic policies. So it uses the hot button social issues to broaden its base, even though it means getting those people to vote against their best interests and common sense.

Lucy Goosey

(2,940 posts)
5. Cuts to Medicaid only affect poor people...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:57 AM
Aug 2012

...and poor people don't count as "life" to Republicans. I mean, obviously they chose to be poor, because in America everyone who works hard becomes a millionaire, right?

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
6. The republican view of 'pro-life' is anything but pro-life.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:58 AM
Aug 2012

It is viciously anti-woman, anti-child, pro-poverty, and greedy.

It talks about destruction of social programs, a lack of spending on infrastructure, and increases for the military. It talks about repeal of universal health care. It talks about torture and criminal punishment in sanitized terms.

It is, in fact, a view that celebrates viciousness and death.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
7. "Pro-Life" is simply a meme and has no relationship at all to reality
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:25 AM
Aug 2012

It's a pretty way of packaging methods to control women and make them subservient and dependent. There are probably a small percentage of self-proclaimed Republicans who are religiously deluded enough to buy into the hype about life beginning at conception and who have been manipulated into voting for "pro-life" candidates. That myth, however, was not what motivated the pro-life movement. It was all about finding ways to get women out of the workforce and out of competition with men for the few "good" jobs left available when Repugs' financial strategies shipped most of the middle-class-building work out of the country. From the "leadership," it has nothing to do with life and everything to do with control.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
8. I've come to the belief that....
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:27 AM
Aug 2012

.....the entire abortion debate is nothing but a meme and a means to sell bumper stickers. That's how sad it is.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
9. Absolutely. And what proved it for me...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:37 AM
Aug 2012

was all the hype during Shrub's campaign with no subsequent action by him or his R-controlled Congress and Senate. The states, however, are a different story, and are using grassroots efforts in electing "pro-life" candidates to manipulate budgets and spending (on everything from education - a BIG DAMN DEAL - and public servants of every stripe) at the local level.

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