Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Baltimike

(4,143 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:12 AM Jul 2019

I think the CONSERVATIVE PRESS tipped their hand

They are going to try and end run all the hearings coming up by complaining about the "optics". FACTS are not sexy. They're serious. They are going to insinuate that this needs to end quickly and abruptly so we can get back to infotainment and propaganda.

"Optics" is the new "Benghazi".

Here's a thread worth a read:


16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I think the CONSERVATIVE PRESS tipped their hand (Original Post) Baltimike Jul 2019 OP
I'm going to push back just a tad on this, if that's ok. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #1
Mueller was taking time to be precise. Wish Mueller's aide did the page finding for Mueller empedocles Jul 2019 #3
Mueller was rope-a-doping the Rethugs by taking time off their clocks. Zoonart Jul 2019 #4
And Mueller didn't perform every Ilsa Jul 2019 #8
I Think It's A Matter Of Illness Me. Jul 2019 #6
Indeed he did. He clearly obstructed Justice many times. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #7
I appreciate your taking the time, and I understand what you're saying, but Baltimike Jul 2019 #15
The Thread-Reader App version. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2019 #2
thank you for this. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #14
Dems going for Impeachment type subpoena powers - good shot. empedocles Jul 2019 #5
"Optics" is a made up term think4yourself Jul 2019 #9
It does get tiresome FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #10
the conservative press will always twist it around Tennessee Hillbilly Jul 2019 #11
La La La is not a strategy C_U_L8R Jul 2019 #12
He makes some good points NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #13
Sure seems to be Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #16

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
1. I'm going to push back just a tad on this, if that's ok.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:20 AM
Jul 2019

Being totally honest, I watched both Mueller sessions in their entirety and I did have some questions about him.
He seemed a little slow almost like those in my family with early signs of dementia.
I’m not saying he has it.
He just came off as unsure of himself at times.
I balance that against him not wanting to say anything outside of the report.
But, at times, he seemed a little uncertain about things in the report.

Him being 74 is, I’m sure, a part of it.
And, yes, the conservative media will do and use anything they can to protect their cash cow Trump.
Still, we would be untruthful if we said we didn’t notice a definite cognitive decline in Mueller.

Zoonart

(11,855 posts)
4. Mueller was rope-a-doping the Rethugs by taking time off their clocks.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jul 2019

When he was answering the Dems... he was clipped and terse.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
8. And Mueller didn't perform every
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jul 2019

bit of the investigation or write every sentence of the report. It's only natural that under oath, he'd be extra careful. He still sounded like his mind was working perfectly.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
6. I Think It's A Matter Of Illness
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jul 2019

and still...he delivered the important info that the traitor was not exonerated, deserves to be charged and arrested, lied to an investigator, and cOLLuDED with the Russians all the while being screamed at and insulted by the Cons for over 7 hours.

Baltimike

(4,143 posts)
15. I appreciate your taking the time, and I understand what you're saying, but
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jul 2019

if I may...respectfully...that's optics, not substance.

"He just came off as unsure" <<<---- optics

"He seemed a little slow" <<<---- optics

I'm just saying. Optics is the new Benghazi

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. Dems going for Impeachment type subpoena powers - good shot.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jul 2019

I understand the impatience - but timing is crucial. Big thrust needed in 2020 when more voters are paying attention. Don't want to peak to soon . . . or too late.

11. the conservative press will always twist it around
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jul 2019

No matter what happens, the conservative press will always twist it around and then throw in some lies and mis-information.

C_U_L8R

(45,000 posts)
12. La La La is not a strategy
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jul 2019

They can cover their eyes and ears but facts are facts. The truth will be the end of Trump.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. He makes some good points
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 01:00 PM
Jul 2019

but, I think Trump is going by the Iran/Contra playbook and not Watergate. They're going to stonewall for as long as possible and then everybody will take the 5th, possibly even before any sort of hearing or public hearing.

And, if Trump loses in 2020, he's going to pardon everybody in December of 2020 or January of 2021, including himself. Dems will sue on the self-pardon and will probably win, but that doesn't mean everybody else won't get off scot-free

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. Sure seems to be
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jul 2019

the White House Strategy. No one in the Media has ever followed up on the Lawyers defending all those ex White House people and the Balloon Pardon that was mentioned a couple times.

Bill Barr was not hired for his looks,he was hired to write Pardons and obstruct any and all Investigations into Trump's and the GOP's criminal activities.

Mike Flynn is playing Ollie North card.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I think the CONSERVATIVE ...