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Trump rally: Thunderous applause for tariffs. They truly believe what Trump is telling them. (Original Post) SamKnause Aug 2019 OP
They're zombie cult members. If he fed them the Kool-Aid, they'd drink it. Vinca Aug 2019 #1
Jonestown zombies n/t mia Aug 2019 #11
It's a show and they'll clap for anything. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #2
It's a cult. madaboutharry Aug 2019 #3
China is not paying tariffs tax, it is always the at140 Aug 2019 #4
That's not true Mosby Aug 2019 #13
Free trade? at140 Aug 2019 #14
NO, conservatives used to support tariffs but then the free traders took over mathematic Aug 2019 #22
Fair trade is a progressive idea. Mosby Aug 2019 #23
All brainwashed. I could f**king care about these people ... rump's rallies are so fake and ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #5
They are like trained seals. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #6
The two minute hate. redwitch Aug 2019 #9
Wow. I really wish you had not brought that up! NT GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #16
Thanks for standing strong @ your workplace lunasun Aug 2019 #20
If the audience claps really, really hard... Cracklin Charlie Aug 2019 #7
trump is not the only politician who supports tariffs, America First econocs, etc. Hoyt Aug 2019 #8
None that I know of support enacting tariffs the way Trump has. SamKnause Aug 2019 #10
Only there really is no other way. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #17
Do they lie and tell the people that the country pays the tariffs instead of the consumers ??? SamKnause Aug 2019 #12
Well,when the Layoff Notices Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #15
They are not that far from Lordstown............. MyOwnPeace Aug 2019 #18
Have to say, Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #19
Stupid assholes better get a second job to pay for higher prices dalton99a Aug 2019 #21
"Stupid" has become a national emergency in this country. ooky Aug 2019 #24

madaboutharry

(40,188 posts)
3. It's a cult.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

That is what is the most frightening. The people who go to these rallies don't know how to think. They will believe whatever he says, and that is the real danger.

at140

(6,110 posts)
4. China is not paying tariffs tax, it is always the
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

consumer who pays the tax. 10% tariffs announced today is not going to move the needle.

Mosby

(16,258 posts)
13. That's not true
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019

It depends on the elasticity of demand.

You know liberals used to support tariffs, but free traders took over.

That's all im going to say.



at140

(6,110 posts)
14. Free trade?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:09 PM
Aug 2019

I prefer fair trade, especially in manufactured goods. Those millions of manufacturing jobs shipped abroad by greedy corporations is the real reason middle class is under stress.

Go Senator Warren!

mathematic

(1,431 posts)
22. NO, conservatives used to support tariffs but then the free traders took over
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 02:26 AM
Aug 2019

Liberals have always supported reducing tariffs.

Woodrow Wilson -> reduced tariffs

Hoover -> raised tariffs

FDR -> reduced tariffs

JFK -> reduced tariffs

70s/80s free traders come to power in the R party and shut down the protectionists, resulting in a bipartisan consensus on tariffs

Decades of nativist propaganda convinced some liberals that tariffs are a liberal position and it's all you ever read about on the internet these days.

I have no idea why you think liberals supported tariffs. It's an ahistorical fantasy.

Mosby

(16,258 posts)
23. Fair trade is a progressive idea.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:07 AM
Aug 2019

Still, there is broad agreement among the Democratic candidates—with the possible exception of Joe Biden—that a return to the free trade approach previously adopted by the leaders of both parties is not possible. But there is not a clear message from the party about how the U.S. should deal with China, or with free trade more broadly.

https://newrepublic.com/article/153907/democrats-tariffs-trade-war

Who likes tariffs? Generally speaking, it's not the same people who like Trump


Play Video
Trump official: Tariffs won't hurt the economy
Who likes tariffs? Generally speaking, it's not the same people who like Trump
By Chris Isidore March 5, 2018: 2:28 PM ET
The people who like the sort of tariffs that President Donald Trump just proposed on steel and aluminum generally aren't the same folks who like him.

Who likes the kinds of tariffs that President Donald Trump has proposed on steel and aluminum? Usually it's groups that are pretty critical of the Trump administration.

For example, the United Steelworkers union and the AFL-CIO were among the strongest supporters of the proposal. Both unions opposed Trump during the election, and both have fought most of his administration's efforts, such as tax reform
https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/05/news/economy/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-support/index.html


Howard Dean on trade

What about free trade?
A: We've gone the first mile. I don"t disagree with the premise of the free traders. But we need an emerging middle class in these countries, and we're not getting one. So now is the time to have labor and environmental standards attached to trade agreements.

Q: What if they say no?

A: Then I'd say, Fine, that's the end of free trade.

Q: What do you mean, that'd the end of free trade? Then we slap tariffs on these countries?

A: Yes.

Q: So you'd be in favor of tariffs at that point.

A: If necessary. Look, Jimmy Carter did this in foreign policy. If you can't get people to observe human rights, and say that we're going to accept products from countries that have kids working no overtime, no time and a half, no reasonable safety precautions-- I don't think we ought to be buying those kinds of products in this country. We're enabling that to happen.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Howard_Dean_Free_Trade.htm

If you care about the lives of people around the world, you should support tariffs.


SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
5. All brainwashed. I could f**king care about these people ... rump's rallies are so fake and ...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:29 PM
Aug 2019

planned purely for optics and not reality anyway. These people are being used as props and that's it. rump doesn't care about any of these people at this rallies ... perhaps one day these people will realize it.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
6. They are like trained seals.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:34 PM
Aug 2019

Get fed hatred, clap, get more hatred.

I’m convinced it is cathartic for them. They get to say all the things at a trump rally that would get them fired at work. Sure as shit, one of my white employee tells one of my immigrant employee to go back home, he gets his walking papers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. trump is not the only politician who supports tariffs, America First econocs, etc.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:47 PM
Aug 2019

It has become one of those populist issues that even some Democrats support.

SamKnause

(13,087 posts)
10. None that I know of support enacting tariffs the way Trump has.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:53 PM
Aug 2019

Tariffs can be used as a tool, none support the way Trump has used tariffs.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
17. Only there really is no other way.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:43 PM
Aug 2019

You enact tariffs, even without the racist bluster, the other nations respond in kind.

Notice how no one calling for tariffs, right or left, ever gets into those details.

You work through the WTO as Obama and the Europeans were doing against China. That’s all out the window.

Anyone blaming our problems on other nations is in my mind a Nationalist. I don’t like them right or left.




SamKnause

(13,087 posts)
12. Do they lie and tell the people that the country pays the tariffs instead of the consumers ???
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:55 PM
Aug 2019

No one supports the way Trump has handled tariffs.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. Well,when the Layoff Notices
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:20 PM
Aug 2019

hit southern Ohio,watch for some real Pissing and Moaning to begin. Yes,the truly Stupid do meet in Public Places pretending to be wise in their ways of electing a President.

You can not fix Stupid.

MyOwnPeace

(16,917 posts)
18. They are not that far from Lordstown.............
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:43 PM
Aug 2019

You'd think they'd be paying attention.............. oh, I know, expecting them to "think?"

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
19. Have to say,
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:09 PM
Aug 2019

never really cared to make Sales Calls in that Region. Everyone thinks hey,good money to make in that area. Not,most people don't have two nickels to rub together and the Average Credit Score is in the low end of the 500's,and boy do they love the use of Credit. And it is worse across the River .

ooky

(8,906 posts)
24. "Stupid" has become a national emergency in this country.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:26 AM
Aug 2019

We all have a responsibility to educate them as we get the opportunity. Every time I hear one of them repeating right wing talking points I always try to start the conversation with "How do you know?" and then see how far I can get trying to get some truth into that poor misguided individual.

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