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TexasTowelie

(112,056 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 04:33 AM Aug 2019

Democrats Are Ignoring the Power of the Hospital Industry

We have now endured roughly nine hours of Democratic debates for president, a significant chunk of which covered health care. That’s mostly because it’s the issue which engenders the most infighting among Democrats, though it also reflects what base voters have identified as the most pressing issue facing them and their families.

But Democrats are actually united on health care in one respect, from Joe Biden to Bernie Sanders. All of them lack the courage to name the one major obstacle to getting any meaningful reform done: the hospitals and medical providers who create the most costs in the system by a wide margin.

Watching the debates, I got the feeling that there was a swear jar offstage, and candidates would be fined $10,000 if they said the word “hospitals.” The calculation has been made to choose insurance companies and pharmaceutical manufacturers as the core villains. The candidates have put shackles on themselves, content to debate whether to eliminate private insurance or how much the respective plans will cost. The price of health care, not insurance, was nowhere to be found, even though we pay the highest prices in the world, and concentrated hospital networks, not insurers, are largely to blame.

Meanwhile, during commercial breaks of the CNN debate, viewers heard from the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future, the main corporate coalition opposed to major reforms to the health-care system. And while America’s Health Insurance Plans, the lead trade group for insurers, is among the funders of this initiative, so is the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association, hospital network Ardent Health Services, Catholic hospital network Ascension, Fortune 500 giant Community Health Systems, The Federation of American Hospitals, Bill Frist’s old hospital network HCA, outpatient group Tenet Healthcare, and hospital management company UHS.

Read more: https://prospect.org/article/democrats-are-ignoring-power-hospital-industry
(American Prospect)

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Good point. Health insurance companies don't charge you for health care-- they charge you for...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 06:17 AM
Aug 2019

what they pay for health care.

And that's after they negotiated many of the prices down.

lark

(23,078 posts)
7. Just had surgery.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 07:29 AM
Aug 2019

Got a statement today showing charges and payments on my surgery. Charges were $30,000, Wellcare will pay $2340. and not I didn't miss a zero. Now there were some notes which I have to look out when I'm not too loopy, so maybe there's just some documentation needed for more complete pay?

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
2. The entire American Criminal Enterprise Healthcare System
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 06:28 AM
Aug 2019

has tons of collusion and conspiracy to constantly drive up costs. No one has clean hands on THIS MESS. White coat and white collar criminals are hard at work everyday
attempting to control and hijack 20% of the GDP. Inf'ingsane!

TexasTowelie

(112,056 posts)
3. I'm in agreement that nearly everyone has dirty hands in relation to providing health care.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 06:36 AM
Aug 2019

I'm not particularly impressed about the moral and ethical standards of some employees and executives that work in the health care industry.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
4. Agreed.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 06:45 AM
Aug 2019

When we extremely overpay for a substandard quality of healthcare delivery, one can be certain ethics are a thing of the past. Total Hypocrisy!

rampartc

(5,398 posts)
5. at some point government must confront these industry groups
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 06:47 AM
Aug 2019

and hint : the republicans are never going to do it.

liz warren is correct. we need to stop whining about what we can not do, and work together to do what we can.

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
6. People have no idea that hospitals and doctors are against single payer.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 06:48 AM
Aug 2019

They are on the gravy train.

Now I didn’t say All doctors and all hospitals. But the ones against are a pretty powerful lobby.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. Of course they are-- Medicare payments are way below what thy would like to charge, and...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 07:54 AM
Aug 2019

Medicare is lower than that.

Greed is always a part of it, but we are already seeing a huge exodus of doctors fleeing general practices because they can't pay their medical school bills and the working conditions suck.

Dunno about nationwide, but hospitals around here are all in a tizzy over growth and acquisition. No matter what it coasts.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
10. We need price controls for services in hospitals.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:12 AM
Aug 2019

By doing nothing to rein in costs, we are allowing the hospitals to charge outrageous prices for the most basic services, not to mention use of different machines and tests and surgery costs. Meanwhile we have a large number of Americans who can't afford to get sick without going bankrupt. I don't know if we should nationalize the hospitals or not, but whatever we do, we should negotiate lower prices for hospital stays and services along with drug prices. This would probably work to lower pay for doctors and nurses, and there would be a lot of noise from them about regulations and such, but we can't continue to subsidize these runaway hospital bills by denying care to such a large number of Americans.

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