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tblue37

(65,336 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:17 AM Aug 2019

"A Teen Scientist Figured out How to Suck Microplastics from the Ocean" :

A Teen Scientist Figured out How to Suck Microplastics from the Ocean. There May Be Hope for Humanity

Fionn Ferreira

On Monday, Fionn Ferreira, an 18-year-old from Ireland, took home the top prize—which includes, in addition to a lifetime of bragging rights, a $50,000 educational scholarship—at the Google Science Fair for his project on microplastic pollution.

Microplastics are plastic fragments less than 5 millimeters in size and they pose serious environmental and a public health risks. They are ubiquitous, having contaminated the most remote places of the world, including France’s Pyrenees mountains and the bottom of the Mariana Trench; they can be found in tap water and inside marine mammals and fish. While it’s not yet clear how microplastics affect human health, it’s safe to say they are of great concern to scientists.

Enter Ferreira, who speaks three languages, plays the trumpet, and has a dwarf planet named after him. Living near the water in West Cork, he was inspired to study microplastics after becoming “increasingly aware” of plastic ocean pollution. “I was alarmed to find out how many microplastics enter our wastewater system and consequently the oceans,” he writes in his project’s research paper. “This inspired me to try and find out a way to try and remove microplastics from waters before they even reached the sea.”

More than 100 miles from the nearest lab, he conducted all of his research at his home, fueled by hot chocolates from his parents. After running more than 1,000 tests (and starting an accidental fire), he figured out a way to remove about 87 percent of microplastic from water by using a magnetic liquid, or ferrofluid. The challenge now, he says, is to bring the project to scale.

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https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/08/a-teen-scientist-figured-out-how-to-suck-microplastics-from-the-ocean-there-may-be-hope-for-humanity/
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"A Teen Scientist Figured out How to Suck Microplastics from the Ocean" : (Original Post) tblue37 Aug 2019 OP
Video of the process: tblue37 Aug 2019 #1
This is incredibly cool!!!! Wow secondwind Aug 2019 #2
Good, hopeful news. rec, nt. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #3
I know! I am excited. Microplastics have been on my "We're doomed" list for a long time. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #4
We have to try to keep the planet capable of sustaining life long enough Mc Mike Aug 2019 #5
True but unfortunately I doubt this kids discovery is viable for cleaning the oceans. cstanleytech Aug 2019 #14
Yes, Disaffected Aug 2019 #27
The young ones might just save us all. K&R. n/t ms liberty Aug 2019 #6
The media is making a big deal out of this, however... NNadir Aug 2019 #7
The result of the Fossil Fuels industry crazytown Aug 2019 #8
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #9
"We need to get serious and go nuclear." BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #11
I have been studying used nuclear fuels for 30 years. I am acutely aware of every component... NNadir Aug 2019 #12
I happen to have a B.S. degree in chemistry BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #13
I'm with you. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #15
We can't dispose of "natural" gas waste either. hunter Aug 2019 #17
The 'consumer economy' of the many affluent can go pound sand. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #19
I don't think the shifts to solar and wind were designed to "save the world" BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #21
Well it appears that post was removed BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #18
My cheese sandwich has been melting continuously since TMI. Any connection? Mc Mike Aug 2019 #20
"nuke u lar" BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #22
See, the energy comes from the nukyalus getting split, hence the name.. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #23
.... BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #24
What Chernobyl and Fukushima demonstrate is that people going about their ordinary lives... hunter Aug 2019 #25
What Chernobyl and Fukushima have demonstrated BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #28
All the damage done by fossil fuels is cavalierly dismissed by our society. hunter Aug 2019 #30
The fact that environmental groups exist at all to protest fossil fuels BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #31
I don't see the connection of wind power to increased CO2 captain queeg Aug 2019 #26
Ok sigpooie Aug 2019 #10
I have an idea... let's quit making plastics that end up in the ocean. hunter Aug 2019 #16
We were in Maui and noticed little colored pieces of plastic all over the beach sand. maveric Aug 2019 #29
Good for him! Very impressive and important work! smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #32
the badness of product A does not excuse the worse badness of product B nt msongs Aug 2019 #33

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
5. We have to try to keep the planet capable of sustaining life long enough
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:00 AM
Aug 2019

so these super genius capable young ones can have a chance to fix things.

Our side thinks about 'we're doomed' lists, their side puts 'sahara club' stickers on their vehicles, and guffaws about it.

Both sides have kids.

cstanleytech

(26,284 posts)
14. True but unfortunately I doubt this kids discovery is viable for cleaning the oceans.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:24 AM
Aug 2019

What's needed is actually something biological to clean up the oceans that is self sustainable but also harmless to other life in the oceans.

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
27. Yes,
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:14 PM
Aug 2019

that's a lot of stuff added to a small amount of water. It works but cleaning the oceans that way would be not be practicable. Even simple filtering would likely work as well but that too would be of little use on an earth-wide scale.

Even biological measures are dodgy. IMO the best solution is to keep the damned stuff out in the first place and wait for natural means to gradually dissipate what's already there.

NNadir

(33,513 posts)
7. The media is making a big deal out of this, however...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:39 AM
Aug 2019

...it is an oil based high school science project.

Personally I see disaster written all over it.

I applaud this kid doing serious research but this is not a real viable solution to this enormous tragedy. I realize that the kids who win these prizes often go on to great STEM careers and I'm not knocking his effort; there is a certain elegance to what he has done.

In fact, industrialized, this scheme might make make things worse; often things that are over hyped without serious consideration do exactly that.

For example, there's the wind industry, hyped for half a century and industrialized beginning at the dawn of this century.

It sounded great; I plainly confess I was once in favor of these new disasters, wind and solar.

The result of the wind industry, in a purely environmental sense is written in the planetary atmosphere:



The current annualized growth rate of CO2 concentrations in the planetary atmosphere is 2.4/ppm. In the 20th century it averaged less than 1.5 ppm/year.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
8. The result of the Fossil Fuels industry
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:13 AM
Aug 2019

which still dwarfs the renewables as a whole , let alone the wind industry, is written in the planetary atmosphere,

Response to crazytown (Reply #8)

BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
11. "We need to get serious and go nuclear."
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:50 AM
Aug 2019

So that the spent radioactive materials, as "waste", with troubling half-lives depending on which elements are used, can continue to poison the earth wherever it is dumped. Attempts at using hydrogen (as in tritium) have been halting at best but obviously needs more research.

NNadir

(33,513 posts)
12. I have been studying used nuclear fuels for 30 years. I am acutely aware of every component...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:03 AM
Aug 2019

...in them, down to the level of the isotopic distribution of each element therein.

My computer disk is filled with thousands of papers on the topic from the primary scientific literature as well as scores of complete monographs in paper and electronic form.

Every time I mention nuclear energy I hear the Pavlovian response about so called "waste."

This rote response is abysmally ignorant.

I would ask what people think climate change and air pollution is.

It's "waste." In addition it's waste that actually kills people. The main difference between so called "nuclear waste" and dangerous fossil fuel (and biomass combustion) waste is that fossil fuel and biomass waste kills people and so called "nuclear waste," doesn't

This is a fact, and general public perception to the contrary is absurd.

Radioactive fission products in used nuclear fuel are extremely valuable materials for addressing otherwise intractable environmental problems, in particular - but hardly limited to - organohalide pollution, PFOS, PFAS, HFC's, CFCs, chlorinated benzodioxins, PCBs, etc.

Regrettably, fear and ignorance - contempt for science - and extremely dangerous comfort with the "devil we know," dangerous fossil fuels - has destroyed the future, a future that didn't belong to us.

The scale of this tragedy blows my mind, since, as a scientist, my job is to be aware of the truth.

This horseshit about the "danger" of so called nuclear waste is so fucking ridiculous that it breaks my heart. It's a Trumpian scale lie.

If something is "dangerous" it ought to be demonstrated as causing an effect, at least on the order of the 19,000 people per day who lose their lives to air pollution, no?

Here is the most recent full report from the Global Burden of Disease Report, a survey of all causes of death and disability from environmental and lifestyle risks: Global, regional, and national comparative risk assessment of 79 behavioural, environmental and occupational, and metabolic risks or clusters of risks, 1990–2015: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2015 (Lancet 2016; 388: 1659–724) One can easily locate in this open sourced document compiled by an international consortium of medical and scientific professionals how many people die from causes related to air pollution, particulates, ozone, etc.

Where exactly is the death toll from so called "nuclear waste" in this report?

Like I said, we need to get serious and to stop spewing mindless slogans that we learned to repeat on television.

Here is what I regard as my most systematic discussion of the case, written as a political liberal, perhaps a little dated, but nonetheless full of appeals to the primary scientific literature:

Current Energy Demand; Ethical Energy Demand; Depleted Uranium and the Centuries to Come

BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
13. I happen to have a B.S. degree in chemistry
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:21 AM
Aug 2019

(and was ACS-certified 36 years ago with my degree) and the chemistry of nuclear is troublesome at best. You can read all the "papers" in the world (many of them sponsored by the industry) but taking those courses that actually cover the subject - like elementary particle physics as an example or the nightmare of all nightmares - P-chem (physical chemistry, which I had to have 2 semesters of my junior year), might give you an interesting perspective on the subject matter beyond the hype.

And what "breaks my heart" is the need to suggest that perhaps you take a few courses on the real science of the subject matter (even if done by a "course audit" - i.e., not for credit) and not spout some of the talking points that lay folks tend to spout.

I have never argued that other "waste" is not at fault (the earth is being taxed and as macro-systems attempt to do, they try to come into some kind of "equilibrium" ). But the hyperbole that you just posted gives me pause.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
15. I'm with you.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:36 AM
Aug 2019

It's insane to keep producing tons of poison radioactive waste, which we can't dispose of.

I went to UC SC for Environmental Studies, but it was a B.A., not a B.S. I didn't get the degree. Kudos to you, BRDS.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
17. We can't dispose of "natural" gas waste either.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:10 AM
Aug 2019

Even if we quit coal and oil, there is plenty of gas in the ground to destroy what's left of the natural environment we humans are familiar with.

Solar and wind assisted gas power plants are not going to save the world.

A world economy powered entirely by "renewable" energy would look nothing like the consumer economy many affluent people now enjoy.

If we made, say, a twenty year plan to quit fossil fuels entirely, I think many places would start to look at nuclear power more favorably.

Innumerate faith in solar and wind power is just another form of global warming denial.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
19. The 'consumer economy' of the many affluent can go pound sand.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:31 AM
Aug 2019

I don't have the time or inclination to comprehensively disagree with you here, hunter. So I'll just say that I respectfully disagree, on all counts.

BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
21. I don't think the shifts to solar and wind were designed to "save the world"
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:44 AM
Aug 2019

They were established as a transition point to address one set of problems - mainly pollution and something, that at one time used to be one of the biggest hysterical arguments that was endlessly posted on DU - "peak oil".

However the "solution" to one problem created others - ask any ornithologist who has monitored bird migrations and what some of those turbines have done to those established migration paths (the turbines taking advantage of the natural wind flows where they are positioned, that the birds always used for travel - i.e., "hopping on the flow", including the jetstream, to reduce the frequency of wing flapping to propel forward).

And an issue with solar was recently experienced in South Jersey with a massive 11-alarm fire at a big Dietz & Watson foods warehouse facility that had a huge solar roof that caught fire now 6 years ago (Yikes! Time flies! ) , where the fire fighters had no training on handling an electrified roof like that - https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/2-Alarm-Fire-Rips-Through-Dietz--Watson-Building-222001371.html



But you have to start somewhere and right now, given what happened with Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and most recently, Fukushima Daiichi, IMHO, shifts "nuclear" (at least in its current form and technology) to the back burner...

BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
18. Well it appears that post was removed
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:12 AM
Aug 2019

so...

I mean I think Chernobyl is a case in point (and it is STILL in melt down, where I think they believe the core has burned through the surface and into the bedrock a couple miles deep after 30 years)... They "contained" the immediate site and life has been returning there (I saw pics of the memorial near the site) but the damage was massive and impacted that whole area and every living thing there.

Plus look at Fukushima Daiichi that happened 8 years ago (time flies ) and the fallout from that, with radiation found in fish that traversed the Pacific, along with radioactive debris that washed up along our own west coast. That is scary as hell! Their problems may have generally dropped out of the news but they are going to be dealing with that for decades to come.

And hell, they are STILL working through the issues of Three Mile Island here in PA - literally 40 years ago this year, they are finally shutting the whole thing down now - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/us/three-mile-island-shut-down.html (this was announced this past May and was big news in PA including here in Philly).

We got a ways to go with what might be used for nuclear fuel and it sure as hell can't be what we are using right now.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
20. My cheese sandwich has been melting continuously since TMI. Any connection?
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:33 AM
Aug 2019

Clean nuke u lar energy is a joke. A really crappy, super expensive, corrupt bad joke.

BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
22. "nuke u lar"
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:46 AM
Aug 2019

Damn. First thing that came to mind when I first saw the post!

(Shrub's voice saying that is an earworm! )

hunter

(38,311 posts)
25. What Chernobyl and Fukushima demonstrate is that people going about their ordinary lives...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:09 AM
Aug 2019

... are far more damaging to the natural environment than the worst sort of nuclear accident.

Politically, I think we should be paying people to experiment with lifestyles having a very small environmental footprint, and measuring the success of these experiments in terms of happiness, not money.

Used nuclear fuel doesn't scare me much. Properly packaged it just sits there and does nothing.

The volume of non-radioactive industrial toxins, many of which have a half life of FOREVER, far exceeds that of nuclear wastes, and these have been spilled thoughtlessly everywhere.

BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
28. What Chernobyl and Fukushima have demonstrated
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

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is that upon the onset of these disasters, the other factors that impact the environment, which are a steady but growing "noise" now-punctuated by a notable "spike" from a radioactive "signal", has resulted in adding a slew of new problems like clusters of populations contracting various forms of rare cancers or an uptick in major damage to the genetic material in the living organisms in the immediate area of a radiation leak (as well as those downwind/downstream and across the ocean). It gets into the food chain starting at the bottom with microscopic creatures and spreads itself exponentially - particularly iodine (it's radioactive form). This is why those who live within a 10 mile radius of nuclear plants are usually offered KI (potassium iodide) to mitigate the effect.

The people at Fukushima thought their onsite "waste" was "properly packaged" (Japan having been used as the "experiment" for weaponizing a nuke)... until the site got hit with a 9.1 earthquake and subsequent tsunami. We can never be able to "properly package" anything when the threat of a natural disaster can come along and dash it all aside (and certainly an earthquake that size, despite the area being part of the "ring of fire", was not anticipated).

Imagine the plankton around Fukushima and the ocean life that has ingested it, in turn being ingested by others up the chain. Radioactive iodine (^131I) has a relatively short half-life of around a week but by then, the damage is done.

You have natural disasters such as volcanoes that spew H2S into the atmosphere (and in the water ) that does its own damage - including plumes of ash that disperse on wind currents, in turn impacting the weather. But the added stress from preventable man-made sources really needs to be looked at and not cavalierly dismissed.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
30. All the damage done by fossil fuels is cavalierly dismissed by our society.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:06 PM
Aug 2019

Otherwise we wouldn't be using them.





BumRushDaShow

(128,874 posts)
31. The fact that environmental groups exist at all to protest fossil fuels
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:20 PM
Aug 2019

and try to find alternatives, belies your argument.

"Society" in general "uses" what is provided to them to use, otherwise they make due with what they can. The issue is getting the "providers" to change, and doing so with as minimal an impact as possible so that a "society" that is destined to continue to "consume", will do so in a less impactful or harmful way. It reduces the steep angle of environmental decline and does kick the can down the road a bit, but it buys time to get some truly innovative alternatives in place.

What you seem to be proposing is elimination of humanity altogether as we know it in order to allow the Earth to run its course unencumbered by the "filth" humanity leaves behind. And there are those out there who truly have that belief. I am not one of them however.

captain queeg

(10,172 posts)
26. I don't see the connection of wind power to increased CO2
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:20 AM
Aug 2019

I’m not a huge proponent of wind, but I don’t see where it adds to the CO2 problem. That’s usually associated with burning fossil fuels. Unless you are thinking of something in the manufacturing process of wind turbines?

sigpooie

(106 posts)
10. Ok
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:50 AM
Aug 2019

Now would one of the top 100 riches assholes in the world please fund this kids research? Since we cant tax you for it...

hunter

(38,311 posts)
16. I have an idea... let's quit making plastics that end up in the ocean.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:50 AM
Aug 2019

Another thing... the only way to quit fossil fuels is to quit fossil fuels.

No magical market forces are going to remove plastics the ocean or displace fossil fuels.

Our society has to make a commitment to quit these these things, follow through, and only then do markets adapt.

At a much smaller scale than anything required to "save the world," there are always lots of people complaining when local bans on single use plastic bags are implemented. Where I live it's been a few years now that single use plastic bags were banned and people are generally done complaining. If they forget to bring their own reusable bag they simply pay the ten cents for a paper bag and move on with their lives.

The problem with the "hopeful environmental news industry" is that people celebrate new technologies that might be useful someday but don't really change the behaviors that are destroying the natural environment today.

maveric

(16,445 posts)
29. We were in Maui and noticed little colored pieces of plastic all over the beach sand.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:44 PM
Aug 2019

I was checking it out when some locals came by and told us what it was and what was happening.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. Good for him! Very impressive and important work!
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:25 PM
Aug 2019

I'm glad to see younger people getting involved in this way. After all, they are the ones who are going to bear the brunt of a harsher climate and a degraded planet.

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