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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:29 AM Aug 2019

I consider it a mental illness

Ex-military and retired military who recieve thousands of dollars per month in government benefits and cash who rail against "government handouts" and "socialism".

Don't get me wrong. I do not begrudge their receiving this. I realize the sacrifices they have made.

I do begrudge the utter hypocrisy, the lack of self awareness, and the overall racist-tinged hubris they display as if only they are worthy.

I have first hand experience.
Both my son in-laws are like this sadly.

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I consider it a mental illness (Original Post) SHRED Aug 2019 OP
You described my in-laws. Lars39 Aug 2019 #1
Oh crap SHRED Aug 2019 #2
Add in that I'm an atheist, and they've become insufferable. Lars39 Aug 2019 #5
They are suffering from layers of delusion SHRED Aug 2019 #6
Yes, and the bubble they live in doesn't seem to be breaking anytime soon. Lars39 Aug 2019 #7
Sadly true SHRED Aug 2019 #14
Thanks for letting me vent on your thread , SHRED. Lars39 Aug 2019 #17
Thank you for being here SHRED Aug 2019 #18
I have a retired AF friend who says Phoenix61 Aug 2019 #3
I've experienced this also SHRED Aug 2019 #4
A relative of a relative, a young man, was killed in Iraq treestar Aug 2019 #8
I resent the blanket use of the "heroes" label SHRED Aug 2019 #10
This! BBG Aug 2019 #20
Maybe we should be demanding Tri-Care for All n/t delisen Aug 2019 #9
Yes! SHRED Aug 2019 #11
I can one up you KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #12
Good for you. Some people are just plain ignorant and won't shut up. Mouth off constantly... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #22
It's like the Soprano's ... GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #13
I agree. I don't believe the govt. spends enough to financially support our veterans. On the in2herbs Aug 2019 #15
They don't realize this SHRED Aug 2019 #16
Hallejuah, Thank ye Jesus! Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #19
Yes, I worked w/ some of these people, who seem to think that their roles in military svc. ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #23
Yup. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #25
I have a friend who is just that bad. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2019 #21
Double dippers, and triple dippers. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #24
+1 Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #26

Lars39

(26,107 posts)
1. You described my in-laws.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:32 AM
Aug 2019

Except they do it all while being SBC missionaries and making sure everyone in the area knows how righteous they are.

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
3. I have a retired AF friend who says
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:33 AM
Aug 2019

Tri-Care is the best med insurance ever but is convinced the government can’t manage health care. The stupid hurts.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. A relative of a relative, a young man, was killed in Iraq
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:08 AM
Aug 2019

we were looking at his Facebook page and he and his friends were commenting about kicking the asses of the sand n*******rs there. We are to lionize them, but some of them are, like any other large group, deplorable and one wonders what America they are "defending." This fellow did "give his life for his country protecting us" and yet he was not so honorable as the stereotype insists.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
12. I can one up you
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:21 AM
Aug 2019

I have a couple in my extended family who have been on SSDI and Medicare for 10 years or more - one of them on section 8. They are die hard Republicans who constantly trash the Democratic Party as nothing but pinko commies.

I got disgusted at a family thing last year and told one of them he's just too stupid to understand the idiocy coming out of his own face. Fussed at him for a full 5 minutes. At some point I told him he's just wrong, and he needs to go back to his section 8 apartment and sit in the middle of his wrongness. They left. The rest of the afternoon was better for everyone.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
22. Good for you. Some people are just plain ignorant and won't shut up. Mouth off constantly...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 02:06 PM
Aug 2019

without actual facts.

And its especially funny to hear that they call the democratic party pinko commies, especially considering that their party (gop) and candidate accepted election help from these very same pinko commies in Russia.

Go figure.

in2herbs

(2,944 posts)
15. I agree. I don't believe the govt. spends enough to financially support our veterans. On the
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:23 PM
Aug 2019

other hand, when I get a phone call asking for a donation to a vet organization I say no, not until they stop voting against their own self interest, which includes voting for republicans. I cannot comprehend how they can support the R party when the Rs in Congress never fund their needs.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
19. Hallejuah, Thank ye Jesus!
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:02 PM
Aug 2019

Yes. Autocracy is spread into our communities by retired officers who think that we should all yield to their authority because they served as officers in the military. I am not going to apply this penchant to all of them. Just the ones that think they can take over community leadership positions and that no one has the right to question their decisions.

It's an easy model that reinforces disparity in a community because they don't bother to get to learn their legal obligations. Instead, they social network with others like them. IMO, this is reinforcing a modern day segregation in white suburban communites - or, white flight neighborhoods.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
23. Yes, I worked w/ some of these people, who seem to think that their roles in military svc. ...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 02:15 PM
Aug 2019

entitles them. It may for some of them, but it is simply skills that one brings to the table, and nothing else.

If anything, some of my fellow bosses don't like working w/ these people, that they seem to be entitled, and sometimes being in such an org. such as the military doesn't prepare one for all situations, as most commercial apps/jobs aren't set up in the style of military opers.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
25. Yup.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 04:19 PM
Aug 2019

The military does not prepare them for commercial jobs, but the social pressures are always there to give them opportunities, and many of them add to the insanity that was already part of the landscape.

In communities like mine where there was a strong anti-government sentiment, the city's land development process had already steered away from good practices, so it was a prime environment for a bully boss environment. The ex-military retirees who had no training served the perfect role, stepping into positions where they were able to add to the gaslighting, forcing people into obediently stepping in line.

Adding insult to injury, they rewarded themselves by breaking residential covenants for themselves or cronies, to ensure you knew who was boss. Worst case of abuse of power you can imagine. But, certainly no one in this abusive good ole boy subculture were going to question them. Everybody else was doing it too. Especially the lawyers.

I should have seen it coming when we purchased our house. The sales rep was the son in law of the owner. He was retired military. In the closing he complained that in the military no one questioned his word and he was obviously put-off when someone had questioned him in relation to the closing. Here's the thing, he left out critical information about the development that would make a complete difference in our lives. We weren't properly warned about our legal rights as property owners in this community.

As our community continued to be developed, this system of bully leadership became a thing. They think it's their right to form inner circles and withhold critical information from anyone who they don't see is essential to their plans. Definite signs of tribalism. Just about every person in this community that compounded our problems had military experience. I was raised in civilian quarters on a military base and never saw anything like that. People were honorable where I grew up, so I was shocked. So, who were these people? Certainly honorable and integrity are not words that I would apply to them.

Not going to say they were the only ones, since the lawyers did a great job of muddying the waters, but what I experienced was definitely something that good people should be warned about.

Tough to have to tear down once accepted norms, but it's the only way to get down to the truth. And, yes, I think greed plays into it. You would think their $100,000 pensions would allow them to be good leaders, but it's the opposite. I see airs of entitlement.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,866 posts)
21. I have a friend who is just that bad.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:31 PM
Aug 2019

She is on Medicare, Social security, Medicaid and food stamps. She is not thinking ahead at all. She had open heart surgery paid for.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,817 posts)
24. Double dippers, and triple dippers.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 02:21 PM
Aug 2019

People who retired from the military, then took a government job, retired from that, then a third job, perhaps with a different level of government.

I've known too many of them, and they are the very first to rail against welfare cheats and why other people don't deserve medical care that doesn't bankrupt them.

Instead of the relatively generous pensions Senators and Representatives have, they should all be switched over to Social Security. And have a 401k that has a three percent match and let them save their own money for retirement. After all, they earn well above the median paycheck in this country. And I don't know if they get some sort of federally subsidized health care in retirement, but they should be on Medicare like the rest of us. Buy a supplemental policy as needed. Be unable to afford their insulin. Just like too many of us.

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