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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 04:57 PM Aug 2019

The El Paso shooter was an alt-right terrorist who supported Trump and feared the Mexican invasion

This is not just about gun control - it's about fighting back right-wing domestic terrorism that has only been inflamed by the election of Donald Trump.

The shooter, 21 year old Patrick Crusius of Dallas, has been conditioned on hate going back to 2017, according to his twitter:




This is scary. The rise of 4Chan, the continued bigotry of this president, demanding people of color go back to their countries, is stoking this hatred - and it's warping the minds of a good amount of persuadable young people, specifically young, white men.

I am scared. I am scared that, in the most culturally diverse country on the face of the planet, we have sat back silently and allowed for this hatred to flourish.

Something must be done.

This goes beyond gun control - this is systemic, folks...and it's terrifying.
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The El Paso shooter was an alt-right terrorist who supported Trump and feared the Mexican invasion (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 OP
Just wait until this hits prime time malaise Aug 2019 #1
We need an 'ironclad case'. Ugh. triron Aug 2019 #29
+1 orangecrush Aug 2019 #50
Practically Every Current Republican in Congress. busterbrown Aug 2019 #45
+1 myohmy2 Aug 2019 #95
He also is concerned about environmental degradation, though, so they will call him tblue37 Aug 2019 #54
And so it begins..... Pachamama Aug 2019 #72
+1,000 malaise Aug 2019 #74
Fox has promoted the caravan invasions since Kremlin Don began Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #84
They're all complicit. MFers! Power 2 the People Aug 2019 #91
if the guy went all that way to el paso i wonder if there were any recent attacks on certainot Aug 2019 #102
Great question malaise Aug 2019 #105
biilionaire's best friend - it's great way to divide - 1500 radio stations all repeating certainot Aug 2019 #108
He proved his love for Trump. gibraltar72 Aug 2019 #2
Here's an image from his Twitter timeline octoberlib Aug 2019 #3
+1 dalton99a Aug 2019 #4
There you have it ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #5
fucking sick fuck.... dhill926 Aug 2019 #7
Exactly! justie18 Aug 2019 #24
NO! not trump...It is on republicans ! pangaia Aug 2019 #35
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #52
Sweet Jesus... nolabear Aug 2019 #9
It is on republicans !!! pangaia Aug 2019 #37
Is that real? (NOT trying to be funny here) TheCowsCameHome Aug 2019 #10
It's real. octoberlib Aug 2019 #13
Do they have silencers on them? LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #56
I think they're standard and high-capacity magazines n/t Woodycall Aug 2019 #65
It looks like the pistols do. nt. druidity33 Aug 2019 #87
+1000! blueseas Aug 2019 #109
Don't be scared. Be brave and defend the best of our American values. nt coti Aug 2019 #6
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Aug 2019 #8
Absolutely brilliantly put. Agree 99%. I was just Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #14
And a citizenship course/test Ponietz Aug 2019 #18
Some folks think as you do... NRAsolicitations keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #32
The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #39
Yes indeed. warmfeet Aug 2019 #62
That sounds a lot like what Japan has sakabatou Aug 2019 #67
Fuck Thoughts n Prayers AND FUCK GUNS Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #86
Yay! You posted this before and I 'lost it' duhneece Aug 2019 #97
And gun owners should be required to have liability INSURANCE Liberal In Texas Aug 2019 #104
When these guys get incorporated into the system as Trump's version of the brown shirts it's jalan48 Aug 2019 #11
This may indeed be what's coming. But MSM will remain complicit. Heil Trump. triron Aug 2019 #31
More to come Traildogbob Aug 2019 #51
Won't they be shocked to learn democrats own guns. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #58
You are correct. Traildogbob Aug 2019 #80
I don't do the gun debate thing on DU. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #82
Well stated. Traildogbob Aug 2019 #83
Remember the head of CBS Scarsdale Aug 2019 #96
Like the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooter who killed only PoC (including 2 Latino kids). Sickening. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #12
Apparently he claimed to be doing this for his fellow Americans. Except MarcA Aug 2019 #15
Gotta wash socks. BBL. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2019 #60
Where did you get this info? NPR, at 5:35, says the name has not been released. nt LAS14 Aug 2019 #16
There's a tweet with a pic of the shooter in the back of a cop car nt maryellen99 Aug 2019 #17
Wolf Blitzer announced the name a couple minutes ago. It's been out on Twitter for about an hour. octoberlib Aug 2019 #23
Here's a photo of the shooter calmly being taken into custody DesertRat Aug 2019 #19
Where was this? BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #27
Police said he peacefully surrendered when the spotted him. DesertRat Aug 2019 #71
It's not as though he was selling individual cigarettes, after all renate Aug 2019 #43
Exactly. nt DesertRat Aug 2019 #46
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #63
No chokehold....? Pachamama Aug 2019 #75
How come they aren't talking about this on cable? Generic Other Aug 2019 #20
They talked about it on CNN DesertRat Aug 2019 #34
Left a racist manifesto . Skidmore Aug 2019 #21
There's a tweet here with what is claimed to be what he posted muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #22
Is there a way to make the print any bigger? shanti Aug 2019 #100
If you go to the tweet, open the image, right click on it and select "open image in new tab" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #106
Got it, thanks! n/t shanti Aug 2019 #107
Hit your Ctrl key at the same time you hit the + key, and vice versa to shrink back down...nt SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #110
can't be an accident he chose El Paso Takket Aug 2019 #25
CNN said he traveled from Dallas area to commit the mass murder DesertRat Aug 2019 #41
from the east side of the FWD Metroplex, it is a 9 hour drive yellowdogintexas Aug 2019 #98
Allen,TX is a couple of blocks from where I live JCMach1 Aug 2019 #26
I'm sure Trump will disavow this guy right away... Still In Wisconsin Aug 2019 #28
He's basically asking God to help. As if it's God's fault... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #47
God sent trump Traildogbob Aug 2019 #53
Anything from Trump yet about his loyal supporter? keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #30
No but the manifesto was just mentioned on M$NBComcast malaise Aug 2019 #33
Good people on both sides, right? groundloop Aug 2019 #48
No, he changed the subject already to wish good luck to a MMA fighter DesertRat Aug 2019 #49
Trump is a grinning baboon with no sense of decency or decorum. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #55
omfg uponit7771 Aug 2019 #64
Can you effin' believe this? malaise Aug 2019 #70
FFS! Dixc Aug 2019 #79
Isn't MMA a gateway to violent white supremacists groups? DBoon Aug 2019 #93
I don't know. Donald probably doesn't know much about MMA DesertRat Aug 2019 #94
That seems ridiculous given the number of people from around the world involved in it Trenzalore Aug 2019 #103
Fascist fight clubs: how white nationalists use MMA as a recruiting tool DBoon Aug 2019 #113
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2019 #36
M$NBComcast are now discussing the manifesto malaise Aug 2019 #38
Another white male Trump supporting killer. Supported by DT and his constant hate. 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #40
There's an apparent ..... LenaBaby61 Aug 2019 #57
gonna be hard to keep that updated fast enough Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #85
check this out: shanti Aug 2019 #101
They do. Ugh! 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #112
Actually-some pre-date Trump and several were not race related. 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #111
This is not on trump. It is on republicans ! pangaia Aug 2019 #42
"The El Paso shooter was an alt-right terrorist who supported Trump and feared the Mexican invasion LenaBaby61 Aug 2019 #44
This is what what it looks like whena duforsure Aug 2019 #59
Idiocracy Marcuse Aug 2019 #61
Texas was once part of Mexico TexasBushwhacker Aug 2019 #89
Exactly. They didn't cross the border, the border crossed them. Marcuse Aug 2019 #90
the media calls white suprematists 'shooters' AlexSFCA Aug 2019 #66
All are murderers with guns. In this case a white supremacist MURDERER with a GUN Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2019 #76
media would immediately call this as terrorism AlexSFCA Aug 2019 #81
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #78
it fits perfectly into the plutocractic agenda. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #68
And the NRA, a terrorist organization, helped this man commit murder EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #69
Looks like they put the lockdown on the account. Amimnoch Aug 2019 #73
Scary AF. I'm scared too. ecstatic Aug 2019 #77
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #88
Dontcha know they only qualify as terrorists if they're brown? Amaryllis Aug 2019 #92
This is tRump's legacy Blue Owl Aug 2019 #99

malaise

(268,724 posts)
1. Just wait until this hits prime time
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:00 PM
Aug 2019

A fucking Con supporters slaughters scores including children.

Thank you Don the Con, Hannity, Limbaugh Carson et al.

Impeach the MF for encouraging hate.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
45. Practically Every Current Republican in Congress.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019

No Spine, No Morals, No Decency!!.... Only thing they care about is their Money, Girlfriends, Boyfriends, And Stash.....

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
54. He also is concerned about environmental degradation, though, so they will call him
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:49 PM
Aug 2019

a liberal. Bet on it.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
72. And so it begins.....
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:56 PM
Aug 2019

We have always known that the United States is armed to the teeth....especially with weapons of War....

And we know that the illegitimate racist Motherfucker sitting in the White House has been stoking the fires and wants to have a Race War in this country against Blacks and Immigrants and Muslims.

Its a powder keg right now and he has been taking a flamethrower to it....

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
102. if the guy went all that way to el paso i wonder if there were any recent attacks on
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 01:02 PM
Aug 2019

el paso by RW radio blowhards in his area, or even limbaugh, that he may have been listening to, relative to immigration or dem politicians.

if there's a national news story etc about el paso being friendly to immigrants then the local dallas blowhards might attack el paso for that

the investigators of these shooters need to start factoring in republican/putin talk radio, besides the internet, even if it's what the asshole's parents had on all day at home when he was growing up

trump a result of putin seeing an opportunity, a symptom, just like these racist murderers and lack of gun control after columbine and sandy hook, of ignoring republican hate radio for 30 years.

americans still wonder why?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
108. biilionaire's best friend - it's great way to divide - 1500 radio stations all repeating
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 01:48 PM
Aug 2019

the same lies as long as they want, unchallenged by the left, invisible to democrats, easy to coordinate at the local level and national level, basically free, paid for in large by advertisers who are bundled onto those stations when they go for the reduced rates and believe the ad industry who tell them the lying racists are just political entertainers satisfying market demand, trying to bring in more customers.

they need to see protests and boycotts until the ad industry has to start asking all their clients if they really want to support trump and global warming.

justie18

(169 posts)
24. Exactly!
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:49 PM
Aug 2019

The MSM needs to let the public know this information. I smell a coverup already. A question was already asked about the demographics of the victims and the police spokesperson was not able to answer.

Just 2 days after a rally and just days after a mass shooting in Gilroy CA by a white nationalist.

We need to cold hard facts here.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. NO! not trump...It is on republicans !
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:09 PM
Aug 2019

Trump is one mentally disturbed psychopath.

republicans are daily traitors.

THEY could stop this in one minute !

SPREAD THAT !!!

nolabear

(41,937 posts)
9. Sweet Jesus...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:14 PM
Aug 2019

I’m stunned. Something has to be done. What, I don’t know. There is madness afoot. All we can do is come together. Stop letting them make us as crazy as these things are.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. It is on republicans !!!
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

Trump is one mentally disturbed psychopath.

republicans are daily traitors.

THEY could stop this in one minute !

SPREAD THAT !!!

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
8. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:09 PM
Aug 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. Absolutely brilliantly put. Agree 99%. I was just
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:35 PM
Aug 2019

In Barbados where it is extremely difficult to be allowed to possess a gun. Our guide was a master target shooter in the army and had won awards. The government put him off for a year - his request for a license and they finally gave him a set of golf clubs with the denial.

keithbvadu2

(36,677 posts)
32. Some folks think as you do... NRAsolicitations
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:07 PM
Aug 2019

Some folks think as you do...

NRAsolicitations
comment from a blog (DU I think)

I had a coworker who was a big time gun owner who kept a gun in every room in the house just in case someone broke in (lots of problems with that idea, may be worth a blog article someday, but that’s what he did). He even went so far as to start buying more guns for each room after a school shooting, like home invasion and mass shooting are correlated somehow. He had let his NRA membership lapse and refused to renew it because he got tired of nonstop requests for donations. To him all the membership did was give the NRA to badger him for more money with phone calls, and direct mailings. If the
organization is as strapped for cash as it appears, those solicitations may have gone way over the top and people are simply tired of being badgered for money and are choosing to let their membership to lapse.

keithbvadu2

(36,677 posts)
39. The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety.

Now it has become an industry owned shill for the sale of more guns and the enrichment of its leaders.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
62. Yes indeed.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:19 PM
Aug 2019

They are now owned, wholly, by corporate profit potential.

This is a money/resource game.

If you don't have the money or resources, you lose.

Liberal In Texas

(13,533 posts)
104. And gun owners should be required to have liability INSURANCE
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 01:13 PM
Aug 2019

in an amount that would compensate victims that their guns shot for life.

If the insurance lapsed, the guns should be confiscated until it's reinstated.

-Plus, nobody needs military weapons. Society has shown that as a whole we aren't responsible enough not to abuse their use.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
11. When these guys get incorporated into the system as Trump's version of the brown shirts it's
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:23 PM
Aug 2019

going to get a whole lot scarier.

Traildogbob

(8,684 posts)
51. More to come
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:43 PM
Aug 2019

Wait until he loses election and is facing criminal charges. He will call them all into action, not only against POC, he will demand they take up arms against all democrats. If MSM does not hammer this point that trump IS the instigator, they are complicit and they are as much responsible. Watching MSNBC tip toe around the manifesto right now is sickening. White Nationalism is a terrorist group and are now killing on our soil. In the name of tRump, in the name of GOD. We are rapidly becoming trump's own shit hole country.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
58. Won't they be shocked to learn democrats own guns.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:02 PM
Aug 2019

We are just responsible with them and they don’t define our lives.

Actually, none of that is going to happen. If he looses it will be like the air coming out of a Whoopee Cushion.

Traildogbob

(8,684 posts)
80. You are correct.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:12 PM
Aug 2019

More like the air outta trumps ass on his golden thrown after a hanberder binge and burnt steak smothered in ketchup. Yep, those lax gun laws work both ways. I will protect my child. Military taught me a particular set of skills. They taught me very well.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
82. I don't do the gun debate thing on DU.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:29 PM
Aug 2019

I support stringent gun control laws. But on DU it just leads to people throwing shit at each other.

And I get it and respect it. Many people here live in Urban areas and have for multiple generations.

But every democrat I know, except my best friend in a large northern city, own guns. I don’t think any own the AR15 types. Just normal hunting guns and handguns.

I support our platform on guns. The second amendment makes them legal to own. But they can be regulated like hell. Even the shitbag Scalia said that in the Heller ruling.

It’s these fucking high capacity(magazine size) semi-automatic rifles that cause the problem. We had few mass shootings until people could shoot 30-60 rounds per minute. No one is doing a mass shooting with a 12 gauge pump or semi that holds 5 rounds! Which my grandfather had!

But the republicans see the constitution, as they read it, as a gift from god. Hell you dot have to read long on their sights where they explicitly say god wants us to own guns! They are fucking nuts.

Sorry for the expletives, but I am pissed.




Traildogbob

(8,684 posts)
83. Well stated.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:36 PM
Aug 2019

Gavin Newsom used some very sharp expletives himself after the Garlic fest shooting. He is normally extremely poised. We all need to be very pissed. We are being slaughtered, edged on by the Predident and Fux Noise. Murderois slime, and getting rich doing it.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
96. Remember the head of CBS
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 06:02 AM
Aug 2019

Moonves saying when tRump first began his campaign for the WH, "He is GREAT for the bottom line" People were saying tRump was unfit for the office, so Moonves spoke up, like a true patriot (!) and gave away the real reason he was getting so much publicity. I think it started as a joke, then became serious. So, looking at this disaster daily, with mass shootings and deaths these gun nuts are still "Great for the bottom line" Lives do not seem to matter for these rich people. Just the bottom line.

BigmanPigman

(51,569 posts)
27. Where was this?
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:52 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:56 PM - Edit history (1)

How did he get to this serene looking location where people on a bus are able to take a picture of him?

renate

(13,776 posts)
43. It's not as though he was selling individual cigarettes, after all
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:13 PM
Aug 2019

Which sounds snarky but is a reflection of the professionalism of these officers vs the ones who arrested Eric Garner.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
75. No chokehold....?
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:00 PM
Aug 2019

Did they offer him a glass of water to quench his blood thirst after all that shooting in extreme heat???

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
20. How come they aren't talking about this on cable?
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:47 PM
Aug 2019

Like they are spinning to avoid mentioning what we are seeing.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
34. They talked about it on CNN
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:09 PM
Aug 2019

but they said that details such as his manifesto shouldn't be spread online because it helps radicalize others and can inspire copycats.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
22. There's a tweet here with what is claimed to be what he posted
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:49 PM
Aug 2019

Anti-immigrant, blaming them for pretty much everything. Urging others to murder too ("it's not cowardly ... attack low security targets" ). Anti-"race mixing". Talks about "The Great Replacement". Blames corporations for encouraging immigration to get cheap labour.




Basically, a Nazi.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
106. If you go to the tweet, open the image, right click on it and select "open image in new tab"
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 01:30 PM
Aug 2019

if you're on hardware/OS that supports that, of course ...

yellowdogintexas

(22,235 posts)
98. from the east side of the FWD Metroplex, it is a 9 hour drive
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 12:33 PM
Aug 2019

(minimum) to El Paso. That is straight drive time. Assuming the traffic in Dallas doesn't slow you down or you don't encounter a big accident or highway construction. (construction is an endless possibility here)
From the west side of Ft Worth it is roughly 8 hours of driving time not counting rest stops and a meal. We have driven it many times since our daughter moved to Phoenix several years ago.

His choice of dates is no accident - it is sales tax free weekend for school supplies, uniforms, backpacks and other essentials for the beginning of the school year. He knew there would be tons of people at that shopping center.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
28. I'm sure Trump will disavow this guy right away...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:57 PM
Aug 2019

Fuck it, no he won't. This guy is his base.

Thoughts and prayers, though, thoughts and prayers.

Traildogbob

(8,684 posts)
53. God sent trump
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:48 PM
Aug 2019

So, God IS with them through trump. Wonder when the ALMIGHTY will show his power and defend his name from trump. Is he afraid of trump like elected GOP?

malaise

(268,724 posts)
33. No but the manifesto was just mentioned on M$NBComcast
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:08 PM
Aug 2019

Expect some diversion from the Con in 3...2...1

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
93. Isn't MMA a gateway to violent white supremacists groups?
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 12:59 AM
Aug 2019

I've heard at least some are recruiting for right wing militia and "proud boys" types

No link or reference, just something unverfieid I heard

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
103. That seems ridiculous given the number of people from around the world involved in it
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 01:09 PM
Aug 2019

It is a global sport

Sharice Davids was an MMA fighter and I assure you her being Native American she is not a white supremacist.

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
113. Fascist fight clubs: how white nationalists use MMA as a recruiting tool
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/far-right-fight-clubs-mma-white-nationalists

One of the most prominent groups present that night were the Rise Above Movement (RAM) — a white supremacist group that refers to itself as the “premier MMA (mixed martial arts) club of the Alt-Right.”

Based in southern California, RAM boasts over 50 members and fashions itself as a fight club. Its members train in various combat sports such as MMA and boxing, which they later apply during street fights and protests. The group has been spotted in Santa Monica, where RAM members tried to disrupt a Committee for Racial Justice meeting, and in San Bernardino, where they took part in an “anti-Sharia law” protest with signs such as “RAPEFUGEES stay away NOT WELCOME.” They engaged in physical violence during protests in Huntington Beach, Berkeley and Charlottesville.


One particular organization uses affiliated MMA tclubs o recruit

malaise

(268,724 posts)
38. M$NBComcast are now discussing the manifesto
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

PHEW!!
Next they'll reach the twitter feed - I hope they show us the photo of the Con's name in Guns

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
40. Another white male Trump supporting killer. Supported by DT and his constant hate.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

It's scary that they are so mentally weak, easily influenced, and eager to scapegoat others. It's scary that the only response they come up with is mass murder. My heart goes out to the families and victims.

LenaBaby61

(6,973 posts)
57. There's an apparent .....
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:02 PM
Aug 2019

SAMENESS of a majority of these mass-murderers other than them being alt-right, nationalistic, racist tRump-loving assholes. Lemme think. What do many mass-shooters have in common 🤔


:large

Add another asshole to the list:


58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
111. Actually-some pre-date Trump and several were not race related.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 03:51 PM
Aug 2019

The Sandy Hook killer was mentally ill-most victims white. The theater guy-another mentally ill person, not race related. The Las Vegas shooter wanted infamy-mentally ill, not race related. Florida bank guy-mentally ill, all victims were women, had fantasies/dreams of killing students. Santa Fe school shooter was also mentally ill. Louisiana shooter killed his family members, girlfriend and her family , mentally ill, not racial. The Thousand Oaks shooter was mentally ill, was a vet, not race related. Yes they were white, but DT and nationalism did not play a part in these shootings.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
42. This is not on trump. It is on republicans !
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

Trump is one mentally disturbed psychopath.

republicans are daily traitors.

THEY could stop this in one minute !

SPREAD THAT !!!

LenaBaby61

(6,973 posts)
44. "The El Paso shooter was an alt-right terrorist who supported Trump and feared the Mexican invasion
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019

This is the treatment BLACK male Eric Garner got after he was MURDERED--choked to DEATH--by a racist cop for selling 'loosies' on a street corner in New York City.



When even a white, racist, POS, alt-right, mass-murderer gets better treatment than a black male in the USA.

Thanks tRump for helping to stoke the flames of racism, hatred and bigotry.

The rise of alt-righters who feel they can do what they WANT to thanks to their Dear Leader tRumputin.

SMDH.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
59. This is what what it looks like whena
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:05 PM
Aug 2019

A murdering corrupt criminal foreign dictator installs his candidate to incite hate and fear and violence against its own for him.

Marcuse

(7,446 posts)
61. Idiocracy
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:17 PM
Aug 2019
“In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion. Some people will think this statement is hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic and cultural destruction brought to the Native Americans by our European ancestors, but this just reinforces my point. The natives didn’t take the invasion of Europeans seriously, and now what’s left is just a shadow of what was. My motives for this attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the political and economic reasons behind the attack, my gear, my expectations of what response this will generate and my personal motivations and thoughts.”

TexasBushwhacker

(20,148 posts)
89. Texas was once part of Mexico
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:19 PM
Aug 2019

I guess it's a waste of time to point that out to idiots like this. There were Spanish speakers in Texas for hundreds of years before there were English speakers.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,966 posts)
76. All are murderers with guns. In this case a white supremacist MURDERER with a GUN
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:01 PM
Aug 2019

Media needs to say "murderer with a gun" from the very start of an incident. Then if they have a manifesto they are a terrorist. Period.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
81. media would immediately call this as terrorism
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:20 PM
Aug 2019

if the shooter was muslim, manifesto or not would be totally irrelevant.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
73. Looks like they put the lockdown on the account.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:57 PM
Aug 2019

Hoping this guys politics and motivations are fully captured.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
77. Scary AF. I'm scared too.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:03 PM
Aug 2019

We need leadership. It feels like we're just swinging in the wind and fending for ourselves out here.

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