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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:39 PM Aug 2019

"Far-right trolls still believe the antiquated notion that motherhood equals happiness"

by Arwa Mahdawi, UK Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/03/women-40s-motherhood-happiness-far-right-trolls

"It’s 2019 and women are still treated like walking wombs
Are you a woman without kids? Well, listen up please, a Man on the Internet has some questions for you. On Friday, Stefan Molyneux, a far-right media personality and self-appointed expert on reproductive health, tweeted: “Women get mostly infertile at 40, but live to be 80. Without a family, what are you going to do with those 40 long long years?” His tweet quickly went viral as woman explained that what they definitely weren’t going to do with those 40 long long years is give a damn about Molyneux’s opinions.

While Molyneux may be a rightwing troll, his condescending views are by no means unusual. A fun thing about being a childfree woman in your 30s is that the entire world seems to feel entitled to comment on your reproductive choices and tell you that you’d better get on with things, you’re running out of time! The idea that a woman’s most important role in life is to bring forth offspring is still deeply engrained in society and there remains a huge amount of stigma and suspicion surrounding childfree women.

It’s not particularly controversial for a man to say he doesn’t want children; people can get their heads around that. But women, we’re told, even if we profess to be ambivalent about kids, are biologically wired for motherhood. When British journalist Holly Brockwell tried to get sterilized in her 20s she couldn’t find a doctor who would agree to do the procedure. “I’ve probably put more thought into my decision not to have children than many people put into their decision to have them,” Brockwell wrote in a 2015 Guardian op-ed. Nevertheless, people kept on knowingly telling her she would change her mind. Brockwell didn’t change her mind and got her tubes tied at the age of 30 after, she tells me via Twitter direct message, “many, many doctor’s appointments pleading”. This she says, “was a waste of everyone’s time and energy, and in the meantime I got accidentally pregnant and had a traumatic miscarriage that could have been completely avoided if I’d just been listened to. I’m now 33, and tying my tubes is the best thing I ever did. Not a smidge of regret … I’m very happy.”

"You don’t need to have children to have a happy, fulfilling life. That shouldn’t need to be said in 2019 but the constant pressure to procreate means that, unfortunately, it does. Indeed, there’s evidence that women are actually happier without kids. “The healthiest and happiest population subgroup are women who never married or had children,” Paul Dolan, a professor of behavioural science, told an audience at the Hay festival earlier this year. Dolan noted that traditional markers of measuring success, like marriage and children, no longer correlate with happiness. This is particularly true if you live somewhere like America, which loves fetuses, but is incredibly hostile to motherhood. Research shows that parents in America are significantly less happy than non-parents; this happiness gap is due to a dearth of family-friendly policies such as subsidized child care and paid sick leave".

After receiving a lot of flack for his tweet, Molyneaux doubled down on it and wrote: “WOMEN HAVE BEEN BULLIED BY PROPAGANDA INTO NOT HAVING CHILDREN. I’m just countering the narrative so younger women can be reminded of a real choice.” Quite the opposite is true of course. Women have been bullied into thinking we’ve got to race against our biological clocks and have children lest we regret it forever. It’s always worth being reminded, I think, that we can choose to ignore the tyranny of our “biological clocks” and reclaim our time."

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"Far-right trolls still believe the antiquated notion that motherhood equals happiness" (Original Post) smirkymonkey Aug 2019 OP
The last sentence of the first paragraph is great. Nt spooky3 Aug 2019 #1
I agree! smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #4
We are childless. We tried. Didn't happen. Moved on. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #2
Gee, sounds like a total waste! smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #3
I guess the correct response in America is "we have been Blessed" GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #5
That's a lot of words for "mind your own fucking business." SMC22307 Aug 2019 #6
I've got kids Bettie Aug 2019 #7
I think it's great that people who want kids have them and I have nothing against smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #8
Yep, actually, we didn't initially want kids Bettie Aug 2019 #9
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
4. I agree!
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:43 PM
Aug 2019

I have never wanted kids and I have never regretted not having them. I am tired of people treating me like my life is meaningless and unfulfilled because I don't have children.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
2. We are childless. We tried. Didn't happen. Moved on.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:59 PM
Aug 2019

He wonders what a woman will do for the next 40 years. Well, here’s a partial list of what my wife has done in well under half that:

Traveled 2 France 4 times
Traveled to Germany 4 times.
traveled to Italy once
Iceland twice
China for an extended visit
Thailand as well
Bought a boat
Fish almost 3 times a month
Paid off the house
Bought our retirement place
Fully funded our retirement in her mid 50s
Made great friends
Has many great god kids
Paid for an extended care policy if it is needed
Manages 300 employees at a job she loves
Oh, and still looks 40.

Yeah, such as sad life.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. Gee, sounds like a total waste!
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:41 PM
Aug 2019


Sound like you and your wife have had a great life without kids. How boring and uncreative can one be if they can't think of anything to give their life purpose besides popping out a few kids?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
5. I guess the correct response in America is "we have been Blessed"
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:53 PM
Aug 2019

But as a freethinker that rings hollow to me.

20 years ago our goal was to make the best of what seemed a really bad situation. It wasn’t fun. Anyone in a long marriage I’m sure faces those make or break situations. If you make through a really shitty time it can cement a relationship like nothing else. Frankly, had we had kids I’m not sure we would have made it. I was not that mature or disciplined.

But we soon learned there are countless ways we can do good and try to leave a better world to the next generation without actually adding to that mix.

And it’s been fun as all get-out to boot!

Research is showing women who had no kids are happier in old age. I can believe that.





Bettie

(16,071 posts)
7. I've got kids
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:13 PM
Aug 2019

A lot of my friends don't.

It is a personal choice. You never know if you're ready to have them if you want them, but if you don't want them, you tend to absolutely know that.

Someone who doesn't want to be a parent should not have to.

Some days I wonder what the heck I was thinking...usually about this time in summer break when I haven't had a second to myself in weeks!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. I think it's great that people who want kids have them and I have nothing against
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:24 PM
Aug 2019

people with children. I want to make that clear. It's just that there are so many people out there that feel the need to tell women what their priorities in life should be without considering the fact that many of us are perfectly capable of sorting out our priorities for ourselves. I know you support that and I wish more people were like you.

Bettie

(16,071 posts)
9. Yep, actually, we didn't initially want kids
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:32 PM
Aug 2019

but eventually decided that we did. However, our first ten years of marriage were filled with "when are you going to have kids?"...over and over.

It is maddening. By the time we decided we wanted to do it, people had stopped asking!

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