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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe stock market drops are hurting me. So why am I feeling this strange schadenfreude?
Sorry everyone. I just cant help it.
SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)still exposed? The last economic up cycle is over 10 years old.
leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)Where do you have your$$. I've been nervous about the market for a while now.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Where else to invest funds for a decent return as the stock market goes south?
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)That's the nature of the stock market which you don't seem to understand. It averages out.
leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)I understand what you are saying. But we are retired and we don't have new income to invest. By "give some back" you mean losses?
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)I realize psychologically this isn't how people think...but you should have been expecting 8% return annually via the stock market all along, so those years when you achieved 25% or 40% or whatever for the past decade, isn't a bonus. That means big losses are coming at some point to get you back down to the 8%.
leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)I gave up trying. He kept saying that they were all good companies. He has been managing about half of our retirement money. It's terrible to say "I told you so."
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)little hiccups occurring now. So be sure to thank him for those too.
My comments aren't at all intended to get people to get out of the market, just to manage their expectations. Yes, it is awesome when you make 40% some year and it sucks when you lose 12% some year but overall it's probably the safest and most reliable place to be for the 8% you should be reasonably expecting
Joe941
(2,848 posts)I sell and market goes up.
I buy and the market goes down.
I can't win and will never be able to retire.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)Buy a handful of good funds and leave them alone.
It simply isn't possible to time the market, and it's truly foolish to try to do so. I recently read something pointing out that some huge amount of all market gains are made on a handful of days. Same with losses.
Here's another reason to buy and hold: the market periodically sets new highs, but it never sets new lows. Although if you recently bought everything on a high, then yeah, for you this is a new low.
So do some research or find a financial advisor but stop buying and selling.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)You should just buy and leave it. Always, just buy and leave it until you need it, then take out the minimum amount you need to take out at that time. The average is what you are looking for, it isn't a get rich quick scheme.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)implying we (I) should not be in the stock market and should be invested somewhere else. Where?
And no, I don't see any reason to "give some back". Give it back to who?
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)The best long term investing plan is to just put your money in the stock market and leave it there as long as possible. Shifting it around and pulling it in and out and trying to time it will mostly lead to lower returns. Don't let fear control your investing...it will cost you.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)But in the interest of full disclosure, my second MBA had a concentration in Financial Planning. I opened my first brokerage account at Merrill Lynch in Honolulu in 1972 when I was 24 years old. I've invested in various markets and used market timing techniques over the decades. Some worked better than others, but I have done fairly well.
So, I also feel like lessening my current exposure to the stock market, and I was interested in what other knowledgeable investors thought were good alternatives.
Wednesdays
(17,339 posts)Metals such as gold and silver generally go up.
And depending on other market conditions, bonds and other fixed income instruments. But even they sometimes don't follow the logic of the market. I already have a substantial interest in gold coins. I suppose it might be worth looking into the possibilities for other precious metals and rare earths, especially as used in the battery and other energy storage industries. Thanks for the idea.
BannonsLiver
(16,358 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)So zero growth and zero income?
SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Its coming.
Thats when the remaining wealth gets vaporized.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)But when the market is down this much you feel it.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)cycle too, not just me. What goes up must come down.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)and feeling similarly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)grim satisfaction because the trickle-down stimulus from the tax heist has the right imagining Trump's good for the economy. All's right with their economic world, instead of seriously wrong, and that could reelect him.
Losing retirement investment dollars we really can't afford seems a lot less dangerous than a second term and Republican-controlled congress, so we feel flutters of fear when the economy's reported to be booming and glimmers of hope when our accounts are crashing.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)The Orange Dotard and his deplorable cult members. Buy low!
TDale313
(7,820 posts)They couldnt see how he could not get re-elected when the economy is so great. Its petty, and Ill take a small hit, but yeah... resisting the urge to mention the fantastic Trump economy this morning. And unlike many stock market fluctuations, this can be directly attributed to him being a dumbass in handling trade with China.
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)drray23
(7,627 posts)The crash in the stock market will not be a big problem. If you dont panic and sell now when its low, it will come back up. As a matter of fact, I see it as an opportunity to buy low.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)all the ordinary people with 401Ks and feel bad for them. They can't afford this.
AJT
(5,240 posts)continues and other aspects of the economy are affected then I will start to worry.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)I have more money than I did a few years ago, and that's counting that I'm now taking money out of my investments because I'm now retired.
The people who freak out and sell everything because of an election or a brief downturn invariably wind up worse off.
former9thward
(31,973 posts)Or do you only count the drops? After today the Dow is up 2400 points this year. Were you hurt by that?
jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)cousin dupree: stock market drops are hurting me. So why am I feeling this strange schadenfreude?
Ha! not sure that would qualify as schadenfreude, cousin, unless it's masochistic!
Schadenfreude is glee at other's suffering (german = grief (causing) happiness, usually someone else's grief)
schadenfreude (shah den froyda): the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
def: .. pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune
Besser schadenfreude als jammerschade: (better schadenfreude than jammerschade)
es ist jammerschade; {it is painful grief, pr'd yammer shada)
it would be a pity if he lost or were to lose this job
Just giving you a hard time for a moment cuz, your schadenfreude is directed at other people's suffering in the dow nasdaq s&p, ja?
I actually root for the stock market to go down, today I was in heaven dow -760 yay. I own no stocks, no vested interest, people trying to make money off other people's labors & misfortunes. Aww sniff, dow down.
Jack London (call of the wild) was a socialist. I'm not really, but admire it often.
Sell your stock, invest in certificates of deposit 2 - 3% now, or T bills. You know what you're gonna get, the stock market is just legalized GAMBLING.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)everything is just wonderful with the economy. Thanks for the dictionary lesson, but I know the definition of schadenfreude. And Im a good speller too!