Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
55 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Trump's eyes this morning: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Aug 2019 OP
The man is unwell. There can be no doubt about it. Glorfindel Aug 2019 #1
My pupil looked like that the day after cataract surgery. rzemanfl Aug 2019 #5
Drugs, I'm guessing. The sniffing, too. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #28
I don't think there's any of that going on. Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #48
If so, we are paying for their Secret Service protection. rzemanfl Aug 2019 #50
And that's with all the camera lighting going full blare. ZZenith Aug 2019 #2
yeah. The Trump years will be studied for a century Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #4
Or two. ZZenith Aug 2019 #8
they shot Hitler up with drugs so he could function. ginnyinWI Aug 2019 #12
methamphetamine, barbiturates, cocaine, steroids, sex hormones and ZZenith Aug 2019 #13
thanks! n/t ginnyinWI Aug 2019 #21
Highly recommend the book "Blitzed." Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #45
me either Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #36
If we survive that long volstork Aug 2019 #32
lol. yeah Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #35
His face is asymmetrical and his head held Sanity Claws Aug 2019 #3
OMG those a fucking pie plates. How much stimulant is he on? Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #6
Holy shit, what is dilating those pupils? LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #7
I noticed Pence was watching True Blue American Aug 2019 #11
Putting the video and the picture together... LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #14
It's most likely drugs. smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #30
This article should be an OP in itself. KPN Aug 2019 #38
Working link is greyl Aug 2019 #42
I thought Pence looked alarmed at times. cwydro Aug 2019 #18
Allegedly, he snorted crushed Adderall during shoots for The Apprentice Hong Kong Cavalier Aug 2019 #22
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #46
He looks like he just came back from Woodstock. BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #9
His pupils are as dilated as mine were at a party in the 80's alittlelark Aug 2019 #10
No kidding. Me too but in probably 73, 74. KPN Aug 2019 #37
what's the matter with his mouth, tongue ? pangaia Aug 2019 #15
trump need a full neuropsych workup. Gothmog Aug 2019 #16
He saw a capital "T" and the word "Ohio," and since he isn't really focused on tblue37 Aug 2019 #31
Drugs that cause dilated pupils localroger Aug 2019 #17
I agree, likely SSRI's AND amphetamines. His behavior reinforces these hypotheses Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #23
That weird mouth pursing and slurring seems pnwest Aug 2019 #27
I can't imagine him owning up to needing SSRIs. Ilsa Aug 2019 #47
Article by a physician on what is causing Trump's dilated pupils... milestogo Aug 2019 #19
I noticed that one of the causes can be... uh... syphilis. Buns_of_Fire Aug 2019 #24
It seems highly unlikely that Trump would have an untreated STD. milestogo Aug 2019 #29
Al Capone died of syphilis, because he was afraid of needles. Dave Starsky Aug 2019 #54
The reason he discounts disease is that they aren't ALWAYS dilated localroger Aug 2019 #33
Watched with the sound off. What is that with the mouth pouching out & going pffff several times? Hekate Aug 2019 #20
His mouth always does that. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #34
Wow something is definitely not right about him. nt. Akacia Aug 2019 #25
Doesn't he snort Adderall? It's what keeps him going! donkeypoofed Aug 2019 #26
Fucking tweaker. Codeine Aug 2019 #39
you have damaged my brain Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #41
LOLOLOL Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #49
Looked like flop sweat to me UpInArms Aug 2019 #40
45 read that like a hostage video. Zero affect, breathless, and as shaky an anxious 8th grader. VOX Aug 2019 #43
he's a joke Demonaut Aug 2019 #44
Under his eye!! moose65 Aug 2019 #51
Handmaids Tale reference. 👍 Funtatlaguy Aug 2019 #52
I think about students of the future Polly Hennessey Aug 2019 #53
And his beat red face captain queeg Aug 2019 #55

rzemanfl

(29,554 posts)
5. My pupil looked like that the day after cataract surgery.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:03 PM
Aug 2019

What's his excuse, a bad round of golf? Spending too much time with Melanoma's kidneys?

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
48. I don't think there's any of that going on.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 12:42 AM
Aug 2019

Rumor is that she and Barron live elsewhere in D.C. with her parents.

ZZenith

(4,115 posts)
2. And that's with all the camera lighting going full blare.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:00 PM
Aug 2019

Gonna be volumes written about this disaster of a human being. Forever held up as one of the worst human failures in history.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
12. they shot Hitler up with drugs so he could function.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:09 PM
Aug 2019

Not sure with what, but that's what they said in "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich".

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
45. Highly recommend the book "Blitzed."
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:24 PM
Aug 2019

Hitler wasn't the only one jacked on drugs in the Third Reich. Eye-opening stomach churning read.

Maru Kitteh

(28,321 posts)
6. OMG those a fucking pie plates. How much stimulant is he on?
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:04 PM
Aug 2019

Answer: Apparently a metric fuck ton, because that is under bright lighting. His pupils should be small. Not pin-pricks, but certainly small.

LuckyCharms

(17,414 posts)
14. Putting the video and the picture together...
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:12 PM
Aug 2019

he's REALLY messed up. Worst I've seen him. He's on some powerful drugs, or he's very sick. Eyes just don't dilate like that, under lights especially, unless it is being caused by disease or drugs. Freaking terrifying.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
30. It's most likely drugs.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:23 PM
Aug 2019

See analysis at the link. I have posted summary below:

https://medium.com/@DrGJackBrown/body-language-and-medical-analysis-4221-why-are-donald-trumps-pupils-intermittently-so-large-f4d883c8126a

"Summary: President Donald Trump’s pupils are intermittently and significantly dilated — from a medical standpoint, this is NOT normal. The ambient light conditions cannot account for such changes. At other times they are within normal limits.

This intermittent pattern is NOT due to trauma, complications from surgery, or disease. I have not examined Donald Trump and I have no firsthand knowledge of him — however, the myriad of photographic evidence available online seems to point strongly to the remaining possible etiology — Donald Trump’s Intermittently Dilated Pupils are due to the side effects of drugs/medications.

Recent reports by journalist Kurt Eichenwald are consistent with this conclusion. I invite everyone to refute or confirm these medical findings — particularly those physicians with neuro-ophthalmology expertise.

I also suggest that an independent party set up a publicly available, online photo/video diary to chronologically highlight and monitor President Trump’s pupils."

KPN

(15,637 posts)
38. This article should be an OP in itself.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:10 PM
Aug 2019

Clicked on the link, but it came up to home page. I’ll check it out later with more time.

Thanks for posting.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
22. Allegedly, he snorted crushed Adderall during shoots for The Apprentice
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:43 PM
Aug 2019

And before she died, Carrie Fisher said that she recognized the sniffs of a drug user (having been one herself for a long time, of course) and the Tangerine Colostomy Bag was on something during the debates.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
37. No kidding. Me too but in probably 73, 74.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:08 PM
Aug 2019

Haven’t thought or heard “Orange sunshine” in decades; blast from the past.

But back to the point — hadn’t seen his pupils during his statement till now, but definitely he was on something. It was pretty freaking creepy.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
31. He saw a capital "T" and the word "Ohio," and since he isn't really focused on
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:23 PM
Aug 2019

the situation (he played golf and partied at a wedding Saturday instead), he just fell into autopilot, so "T" and "Ohio" became "Toledo, Ohio."

localroger

(3,622 posts)
17. Drugs that cause dilated pupils
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:18 PM
Aug 2019

According to https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/drug-addiction/drugs-dilated-pupils/#gref

" These include SSRI antidepressants, amphetamines, MDMA, psilocybin, LSD, ecstasy, cocaine and mescaline. In the case of these drugs, serotonin (a brain chemical affecting mood) agonizes the 5-HT2A receptors in the brain and kicks off dilation."

Of the drugs on that list my money is on SSRI's or amphetamines. Or both.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
27. That weird mouth pursing and slurring seems
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:14 PM
Aug 2019

like dry mouth. Adding that to the dilated pupils and the sniffing narrows down even mire closely to “Amphetamines, also in prescription form as ADHD and narcolepsy medicine”.

http://www.lancasterjoiningforces.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/DFWP-Substance-Duration-Signs-Symptoms.pdf

I didn’t really take the report’s of the adderall snorting seriously until seeing that closeup of his dilated pupils today, and googling those three symptoms. It’s unfathomable, but could he really be still snorting adderall - and being enabled to do so?!

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
47. I can't imagine him owning up to needing SSRIs.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 11:28 PM
Aug 2019

He would see depression or anxiety as a weakness. Ergo, I suspect it is one of the worst drugs on your list.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,158 posts)
24. I noticed that one of the causes can be... uh... syphilis.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:59 PM
Aug 2019

The doctor discounts disease as a reason, but I wonder...

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
54. Al Capone died of syphilis, because he was afraid of needles.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 11:08 AM
Aug 2019

I can easily see the whacked-out dullard in chief being the same way.

localroger

(3,622 posts)
33. The reason he discounts disease is that they aren't ALWAYS dilated
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:26 PM
Aug 2019

Since they seem to always be about the same size, and they are sometimes normal, this indicates that it is an intermittent effect applying to both eyes which causes the dilation. That's why he settles on systemic drugs as the probable cause. Injury or topical effects would tend to only affect one or the other eye; disease would tend to always affect them. Systemic drugs affect the whole body, including both eyes, but only when you take them.

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
20. Watched with the sound off. What is that with the mouth pouching out & going pffff several times?
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:34 PM
Aug 2019

Totally flat affect. Every time we see him he looks sicker

Ms. Toad

(33,999 posts)
34. His mouth always does that.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019

That's the most consistent caricature of him (Think Alec Baldwin on SNL)

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
26. Doesn't he snort Adderall? It's what keeps him going!
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:11 PM
Aug 2019

That's one big pupil! I said pupil, Donny Two-Scoops, not penis, ya sad-sack bastard.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,260 posts)
41. you have damaged my brain
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:30 PM
Aug 2019

I read that as "twerker". Imagining that orange gas bag twerking is not healthy.

I'm pouring a double shot. Or double that.

Argh.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
43. 45 read that like a hostage video. Zero affect, breathless, and as shaky an anxious 8th grader.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:49 PM
Aug 2019

And he’s gotta have Pence right there as a security blanket.

Sick in body AND mind.

Polly Hennessey

(6,788 posts)
53. I think about students of the future
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 10:58 AM
Aug 2019

and their papers on the tRump years.

1. They will ask why “we” let this happen.
2. Researching for the assignment will not
be boring.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Trump's eyes this morning...