I am so old---

[Atticus]

---I remember when being ANTI-FAscist was considered patriotic.

[mshasta]

1. youre not old

we all believe to fight fascism one way of another
republican mind is making the good bad and the bad good

[CentralMass]

2. Their antics in Portland Oregon havn't earned them many fans

[gratuitous]

7. I know!

Dousing that shit-stirring "reporter" with milk shakes and killing him dead with the concrete mixed into the shakes was a horrible way to die. Fortunately, Lil Andy Ngo got better just in time to go on the Lars Larson Show to tell everyone just how dead those horrid antifa people killed him.

The Proud Boys Nazis have targeted Portland specifically, figuring they could run roughshod over what they thought was a bunch of crunchy granola liberal wimps. But somehow nobody seems to notice or talk about that.

[CentralMass]

10. I moved out here in 2015. For the record I'm a tree hugging liberal dem.

There were a few rallies starting with the anti-tRump rally in Nov 2016 and another in May of 2017 where they were protest across the country. In Portland all was well until these masked antifafa @$holes showed up and went on a reign of terror breaking store windows, torching and or other wise damaging cars and starting other items on fire in the street causing millions in damage. There was no counter protest involved in these two rallies. They were a solo act.

When they use violence and cause destuction and or personal injury, both side are @$$holes.

Novemeber of 2016
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2016/11/pearl_district_ne_portland_wak.html

The May Day riot in May of 2017
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/05/portland_may_day_demonstration.html

[LisaM]

17. They seem to have sprung from the self-identified anarchists of the 1990s and 2000s

Masked, dressed in black, violent rampages (remember the iconic image of the guy kicking out a window of the Nike store while wearing Nikes during the WTO riots in 1999?) At WTO, a lot of groups had planned peaceful, permitted protests drawing attention to the labor movement, but what the world saw was tear gas and this small group creating enormous problems. I had planned to attend the labor marches, either walking in solidarity or just being on the sidelines in support. That did not happen. The Antifa I see in the PNW seem to be very similar.

[CentralMass]

26. +1

[Wounded Bear]

3. I've wondered sometimes if Antifa wasn't a RW false flag operation...

IAE, the RW is using them to try to force progressives to somehow defend their chaos and mayhem.

Hard to do.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. Many have had that same thought.

[blueinredohio]

23. I know I've had that thought.

[justgamma]

11. I may be off the wall

but I always thought the trouble makers were anarchists trying to make trouble for antifa.

[Silver Gaia]

13. It has always reminded me of COINTELPRO tactics

used in the 60s and early 70s.

[FirstLight]

22. right?

I really think it did not exist until 2017...at least the first time I ever heard it beingf called that. I know there's always been a faction of basically anarchists who like to get in the middle of protests and stir shit up. There were even some fringe folks doing that during the Occupy Movement... but I'd never heard the actual term "Anti-FA" until this administration.

Probably thought up by Putin and placed in Trump's head. He likes labels, that the only way he can handle things...

[Wounded Bear]

30. I think it's been in Europe a little longer...

but it has always seemed to me that they were basically just shit-stirrers, at least here in the US. A bit of a foil for the RWers to use to bash leftists, because we're all evil, ya know.

[AJT]

4. Ahhh, good times....

[NightWatcher]

5. I'm so old, that I remember when we hated the Soviet Union and our movies showed this.

Rocky IV
Red Dawn
Firefox
Hunt for Red October
Spies Like Us

[Marcuse]

27. Do you remember Moose & Squirrel?

[Wounded Bear]

31. I sure as hell remember "Better dead than Red"...

but I guess that doesn't apply any more.

[Stuart G]

8. You are not alone.. Everyone needs to see this movie, "Night and Fog" The entire film is below:

Hit the link, and it will play.(French, English sub titles) All 32 minutes, the entire movie.

The horror of the concentration camps. What the Nazis did in the camps. After watching those 32 minutes, no one is a Nazi. (except Trump)..watch this movie..it is very depressing, and shows exactly what the Nazi's did at the concentration camps. You have been warned. French with English subtitles....good luck, I showed to my high school classes maybe 35 times. It is the worst of the worst. For someone who doesn't know what the Nazis did at the camps, he/she needs to watch all 32 minutes...

https://vimeo.com/189672641

[gopiscrap]

14. wow my mom grew up in Germany during this time

[tblue37]

19. Thanks for posting that. nt

[Dixc]

21. Shocking

I was born in 1952....a civics teacher I had in 9th grade showed this film and others every Thursday. I was horrified and wonder if this history is presented to young students today.

[ancianita]

25. +1 showed it in my film classes.

[FirstLight]

28. what year was this made?

It's chilling and gut wrenching...and should be on the cirriculum of any world history class

[Stuart G]

33. I think it was made in 1956 nt

[snpsmom]

32. I was required to watch this

as a high school sophomore in the late 1970s. Watched it again in a Holocaust-centered college English class. I doubt I could get away with showing it to my high school students today.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Me too!

[Stuart G]

12. You are not "old" That word, the O word is a dirty word...not to be used.

and...being ANTI-FAscist is still considered patriotic, by most of us.

[virgogal]

18. Old is not a dirty word.......it's delightful.😀

[Evolve Dammit]

15. As Woody Guthrie had on his guitar: "This machine kills fascists." Love your posts

[Uncle Joe]

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Atticus.

[MasonDreams]

20. The grass is always greener. Can you imagine how confusing it would be to be young?

So many of us are uninformed, misinformed, and inexperienced. Fear is short circuiting thinking. Misinformation shoves us away from good judgement. Goodness gracious where do we go for just the facts? How many people believe and will act on this trumped up crock of crap. I am afraid every day. How much worse would it be to be young?

[ancianita]

24. It still is.It's those who don't READ who believe right wing propagandists that antifa are terrorist

[Cha]

29. It is.. We Are The