Why haven't companies hiring undocumented workers been charged? The answer...

[TreasonousBastard]

It can get complicated, but there are a number of parts to the answer:

All referrals go through ICE, so they have to file the paperwork.

ICE's job is easy-- no papers get out.

Once at Justice, it's now a criminal matter, so things get complex. Rules of evidence, and all that stuff... Besides, they have to figure if it's really criminal, or better dealt with as a civil case.

Then they have to decide whether to charge the company or the individuals who made the decisions.

After all that, and maybe some other things, they have to do an investigation and prepare an indictment.

And it's not any easier with this administration.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/09/workplace-raids-multiply-trump-administration-charges-few-companies/

Good article, answers a lot of questions.

[pwb]

1. Individuals should not be able to hide claiming the Company did it.

Corporations are people right? Thanks for the link.

[TreasonousBastard]

2. No, they should not, but the law is often complicated.

[Raven]

3. Could it be because Trump is also an offender?

[TreasonousBastard]

4. It's possible.

[rampartc]

5. corporations operating with illegal employees is more of a civil matter

since they are unfairly competing with companies who comply with the law.

there is no need to prove anything "beyond a reasonable doubt" in order to sieze the company's assets in civil forfeiture. it is then up to the company to prove they did not have illegal workers on the payroll.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Yes, but don't make it sound THAT easy.

[empedocles]

10. A civil, State matter suit, offers hope against the corrupt trump/barr fixes

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Haven't joined WaPo to read yet, but I now live

In a deep red area in Texas where there are lots of ranchers. They openly hire undocumented workers. They drive, they shop, they freely move around in the community, no one bothers them at all.

My point...no one at all bothers the rancher or the worker. It is the elephant in the room. Do people want to hire? Yes. Do they say, in general, "stop people from coming in?" Yes.

[marlakay]

8. So many things in our country

Make you want to scream it's unfair until your hair starts on fire!

That's why they get away with so much. They may say they are Christians but we have more morals and try to be honest.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Yes! And so utterly hypocritical. There is definitely a

need to hire. And is attractive to employers because it's cheap. They, being Republicans, ALL have to know this. Their Reps and Senators ALL have to know this. So, it must be a giant scam? Unspoken and unwritten..communicated with a wink?.."Don't worry, we won't really do anything to stop this." ?

I think the farther you get from the border with Mexico (notice they vote blue in TX) the more it is about pure bigotry.

[TreasonousBastard]

9. I'm in a purplish part of Long Island, NY and we still have a large agricultural...

base here. It is entirely dependent upon "imported" labor. The occasional wanker goes on about immigration, but farmers, restaurants, home improvement contractors, lawn&garden maintenance, retail...

Every one of them is screaming for workers and hire Central Americans. Riverhead has become a de facto sanctuary city. State law stops local police from working with ICE unless a local crime is involved, so harassment of Hispanics is pretty low.

When I still smoked, I went to one of the local tribal smoke shops and it was all young Hispanic girls working there. Go figure...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. So how does that work? Do they have green cards?

work permits? I know we, as a party, are against worker ID cards. But guess it's hard not to think about the benefits. You would immediately know who is a guest (ha).

[TreasonousBastard]

13. Some do, but it's something no one really wants to check unless a felony...

is involved. There's also an ongoing discussion about driver's licenses which tends to get louder whenever any of them gets caught driving drunk.

We can't stop ICE from acting up around here if it wants to, but we don't cooperate with them. We also have a number of organizations that try to step in when needed.

Truth is, we simply can't go on forever ignoring the practical ramifications of the way we're avoiding dealing with it now.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. I wish that we could take the good things that actually

do happen in the business world and apply them to solving problems. How cool that would be to actually have non partisan committees to analyze every angle of an issue and come up with potential solutions and plans of action.

[Ilsa]

14. There used to be a bracero/vaquero program in the US for

workers to do seasonal harvesting, work cattle, do manual labor, etc. But I think it ended in the mid 1960s. Texas continued using day laborers along the border and resident laborers in the farm areas, but a lot of that was seasonal.

As long as there are no accusations of crimes, it was my experience in Texas that undocumented workers were left alone.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. I've been wondering about all the Mexican Nationals that

They said come to shop in El Paso. Do they have Mexican passports? I know. Probably a dumb question.

My wingnut in-laws had tried to get a green card for their ranch hand for many years. They said now that there are big companies that get temp cards of some kind en masse. People can come for the season but then must return. Augustine worked for them for 20 years. For $25 a day. He literally walked 135 miles from San Antonio to get there. No more...he couldn't even think about trying to come back now, with Trump in charge.

[Ilsa]

17. There used to be a huge number of Mexicans that would drive through

Laredo, up I35, to San Antonio to shop and take a mini-vacation on the Riverwalk, especially during Spring, before and after Easter.

I used to travel to Mexico, usually through Brownsville to Matamoros, or McAllen to Reynosa, but just walking, no vehicles. My husband's cousin is dark complected, and on one trip when we took her with us, they stopped us for an excessively long time on the way back. She had brought her birth certificate with her because she'd had this trouble before. We laugh about it now.