I remember the killing of Oswald on national tv

[PCIntern]

And as a ten year old I thought: the truth will never be known.

Yes, I was that kind of kid and yes my mind worked that way even then.

No matter what documents, photos, video comes out now, it’ll be discounted as fake or out of context. If they had Donald with two naked thirteen year-olds on his lap they’d say he was trying to guess their weight.

[mainstreetonce]

1. I remember seeing that live with my father

He always insisted that the live picture was different than the replays.
In the first live shot you clearly see Oswald nod in recognition to Ruby.
Replays didn't show that.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

40. Really? And exactly how could the replays have been doctored

in the two or three minutes between the killing and rolling the tapes?

I think it's more reasonable that your father's memory is faulty.

[UTUSN]

2. Not to mention pinning it on the CLINTONs. TMZ (Shitler's pal) is loaded with posts from MAGATs

saying the CLINTONs did it. Harvey LEVIN, "I'm-a-lawyer"/owner, is deep a flying monkey for SHITLER, was who fueled Kathy GRIFFIN's crash'n'burn over the beheading pic.

[George II]

7. Unbelievable what these guys will say. Bill Clinton was 17 when Kennedy/Oswald were assassinated.

[UTUSN]

23. Sorry, my post was misleading: I was referring to the EPSTEIN suicide to trash the CLINTONs with

[George II]

24. Oh, I see. Yes, there are people all over the place claiming that this morning. Still unbelievable.

[exboyfil]

33. A HUD appointee already has

[barbtries]

3. i feel the same way.

the truth will never be known. and that's the point, right?
i'm very skeptical that this was a suicide. how many people are sighing in relief right now? he made so many problems go away. but the taint never will.

i think he was probably murdered but again, will never know.

[Kid Berwyn]

4. In police custody.

“I’m just a patsy.”

Doesn’t seem to act act guilty — no “consciousness of guilt.”

[proActivist]

55. Said the guy who

shot a cop after being stopped and questioned.

[Kid Berwyn]

69. Accused of that by the same people who were supposed to protect him.

We’ll never get a chance to hear Oswald tell his side of the story.

[proActivist]

72. I don't think he had much of a story to tell.

And the investigations and witnesses that spoke up afterwards were more than enough to understand it.

[wendyb-NC]

5. Yes, I remember watching it.

The whole family was glued to our black and white TV screen.

When the shot rang out, my father said "whoa, did you see that? That was no accident."

[Submariner]

6. As a 16 year old in Boston we all freaked the f*ck out

quickly seeing a cover-up with what we felt was complicity by the Dallas PD, thus blaming the state of Texas. Then watching our JFK being replaced by of all things, a Texan, later that same day, was a huge kick in the nuts to Massachusetts. Bad times.

[ancianita]

8. I saw it live, too. We both knew then that the truth would never come out.

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. I saw it live, too.

What a shocking moment, I'll never forget it.

[BadgerMom]

44. Nor will I.

I don’t consider myself a conspiracist. That said, I may be a poor judge of my own character because the 10-year-old girl who sat in thrall before the tv in 1963, already a Democrat, never bought the Warren Report. My son-in-law, a liberal and a doctor, asked me once, after I’d made some offhand remark about never having been told the truth about the assassination and aftermath, if I thought there’d been a conspiracy. He couldn’t believe when I said I did.

[greatauntoftriplets]

45. I was 14 at the time, but had become a Democrat after watching the 1956 conventions.

Yes, I know it's strange for a 7-year-old to watch political conventions, but at least they were on during the day back then.

Watching Ruby kill Oswald wasn't what you expected to see on Sunday morning TV.

[yellowdogintexas]

58. I watched the 1956 convention

I was 7 1/2 and sat with my mom who really liked Adlai Stevenson and Estes Kefauver (we considered him our Senator much more than our own because we lived right on the KY TN state line and all our news came from Nashville)
She cheered all the way through the ballot voting (which was actually fun back then) and explained everything.

Then in 1960 we were glued to the convention. She loved JFK and boy did she hate Nixon!!!

To her dying day she was convinced that Nixon was behind JFK, MLK and RFK assassinations .

[greatauntoftriplets]

59. I was just 7, because my birthday is early August.

At that time, I was sick a lot of the time from bad tonsils and for some odd reason, the doctor was reluctant to take them out. They were the next year after my mother got pissed off. Because polio was still a scary thing back then and I was considered to be at risk, I was kept inside if I had the sniffles.

Strange thing is that my parents were Eisenhower supporters. Go figure. They did support JFK four years later.

[a la izquierda]

68. Off topic completely but I know the tonsil problems.

I’ve had bad tonsils my whole life. I’m now 42. I wish I’d had them out, but my parents and doctor were hesitant.

[greatauntoftriplets]

70. That's terrible!

I was sick a good share of the time before the surgery, but was much healthier afterwards. It's never too late; my niece had hers taken out in her 20s.

[kcr]

73. Why is that? I'm in my 40s and had the same problem when I was a kid.

Mine were so bad the whole family could hear me breathing at night all over the house. My mom still had to push the doctors but by the time they gave in and took them out, there were complications and a long hospital stay.

[a la izquierda]

74. No clue! Drives me mental, I wish I didn't have them.

Weird thing is I get strep with no fever (at least as an adult). My doctor doesn’t understand how I can breathe when they’re swollen. Now I’m too chicken to have them out (never been put under and I’m scared).

[justie18]

17. Exactly!

And the rest of the records have not been released even though the deadline was 2017.

I also saw it live on TV. The younger generation has not had an opportunity to appreciate the suspicious nature of Oswald's death while in the custody of the Dallas Police department.

[ancianita]

18. Any "official" reason why the records haven't been released?

[justie18]

19. No

Not that I am aware off. It seems the CIA has assumed that the vast majority of the population just does not care anymore.

[ancianita]

21. I thought the records are in National Archives in College Park. Per wikipedia:

On April 26, NARA released another 19,045 documents in accordance with President Trump's order.[32] These releases include FBI, CIA, and other agency documents (both formerly withheld in part and formerly withheld in full) identified by the Assassination Records Review Board as assassination records.[33] While no more documents required to be released under section 5 remain withheld in full,[32] some still remain withheld in part and will not be declassified until 2021.[32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_John_F._Kennedy_Assassination_Records_Collection_Act_of_1992#2018_Releases

So maybe we'll know everything by 2021.

[calimary]

28. I remember watching it, too. Live. I was glued to the TV all weekend.

I was 10. Not old enough to understand a lot of what was going on.

[Roy Rolling]

10. I was 9

I didn’t understand it, except that another person had been gunned down. Being gunned down right after Kennedy numbed me to think this was normal—people being shot anywhere.

[LittleGirl]

11. I remember it

Too but I can’t remember if I saw it live or on repeat.

[proActivist]

52. They played it over and over.

I may have seen it live, but It is hard to remember given the constant replay.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Wow! You must be totally brilliant! That was

back when our country and systems did no wrong.

Gonna start paying more attention to what you say ! Lol

[bobbieinok]

57. Think part of strength of white student antiwar action came from our experiences in the CivilRightsM

Working in the Muovement, reading about and seeing daily on TV what was happening to blacks who just wanted to register to vote, ride a city bus, ride an interstate bus and eat in the 'supposedly' desegregated station cafes--all that really made us realize that indeed the US could do great wrong.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

61. Not sure what you are saying. I gather it's some kind

of diss on what I said...but not 100% sure. Just come out with it straight? Are you saying that there was never a time when people who were ignorant of the horrors people went through should never have thought the US could do no wrong? If yes..you are correct. We never should have thought that. I know...just didn't know then.

[kozar]

13. I just told Mrs. K

The exact same thing,,another historical day,, which books will be written about.


Koz

[LeftInTX]

14. My parents were upset. I was like, "Yay, someone killed him!"

I was 7 and didn't quite understand the justice system.

My mom kinda tried to explain, but it went over my head. They returned to their focusing and then we had our usual Sunday routine.

[Freddie]

34. I was 7 too

Mostly upset because the Saturday cartoons weren’t on that weekend. And just like Ruby/Oswald, we will never really know what happened today. People will take the truth to their graves.

[Aristus]

15. Damn. The shit's getting deep in here.

Did Oswald put the thimerisol in the chem trails, too? You know, to distract us from the hunt for moon-landing hoax evidence?

[BannonsLiver]

36. There's one vote for "I believe whatever my govt tells me"

[Aristus]

47. No. I'm a scientist. I believe what the evidence tells me.

The evidence tells me that, as Stephen King put it, one loser with a mail-order rifle changed the course of history. Not everyone is able to accept the simplicity of that. Not everyone is able to appreciate the scientific beauty of Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is almost always the correct one.

"No, it was a magic bullet."

"No, it was a wild-eyed Gollum lookalike with a private pilots' license."

"No, it was Meyer Lansky, directing global events from an armchair in Miami, Florida."

"No, it was Fidel Castro, crazed on CIA-poisoned wine and exploding cigars who ordered the hit."



Why do the explanations of what "really happened" all sound so much crazier than what actually did happen?

[proActivist]

50. +100 nt

[Aristus]

51. Hi. Welcome to DU.

Thanks for the support.










"Give thanks and praise to the Lord, and I will feel all right..."

[proActivist]

53. I'm here to

wield Occam's razor for truth, justice, and the American (i.e., Enlightenment) way!

[Aristus]

56. Then you are doubly-welcome...

[proActivist]

49. +10 nt

[LeftInTX]

16. This isn't the same thing. Pedofiles are often suidical.

Also Epstein went from mansion to scum in a few weeks. Epstein was allowed to commit suicide.

[warmfeet]

42. Courtesy suicide?

Possibly.

[H2O Man]

20. Recommended.

I agree 100%.

[dameatball]

22. anti-ligature and anti-self harm fittings, monitoring practices and other methods of preventing

suicides in both criminal and psychiatric facilities have become increasingly effective and widespread. Why Epstein was not more closely monitored given his recent suicide attempt is baffling.....at best. I am pretty sure that modern practices tend toward trying to avoid restraints. Even when used there are time periods and conditions adhered to. However, given the huge magnitude of this case and the peripheral figures yet to be identified, this lapse in safeguarding an offender is mind boggling.

Gonna be a lot of theories on this one.

[warmfeet]

43. I design anti-ligature systems for correctional facilities,

as part of my job. This occurrence is highly unusual, today. Incompetence may be the most likely explanation, but certainly not the only one.

[dameatball]

46. My staff or I may have been involved in procuring something you are familiar with. But, yes,

never wise to underestimate the role of incompetence. When it happens in such a high profile case it is even more puzzling.

A facility can have top of the line equipment, but if there is a problem with protocol, observation, human error...or whatever.....bad outcomes can happen. It just befuddles me how any high profile case such as this can lack oversight (not that it has been proven yet). Then again, Aaron Hernandez says hello.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. Over the intervening decades

there were several investigators on the trail of the chain of custody of the Zapruder film, some claiming
there were missing frames, following the path of the developing of the film, the labs that produced the copies.

It might be more difficult to effect a coverup in today's focused and digital world, if that was the implication of your OP. Any result will be examined and reexamined by the best investigators ever.

[MakeAmericaLoveAgain]

26. When is "Machine Gun Mitch" going to take action?

His new nickname should be “Machine Gun Mitch” instead of Moscow Mitch....

[calimary]

30. Or how about Mass-Murder Mitch.

I used to work with a deejay whose on-air name was Machine Gun Kelly. But the Machine Gun moniker was a lot more benign - reflecting his loud, rapid-fire mouth.

[AndJusticeForSome]

35. ...93khjaaaaay?

Sounds familiar

[calimary]

37. Yep. That's the one!

Spent several summers at the neighbors' pool listening to that station and other AM rockers back then. Never in a million years thought I'd ever actually work there.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Epstein murdered by a group of people including a high profile person or two that I dont

dare name if I like breathing.

[sandensea]

29. I think we can guess who at least one of the two might be

[calimary]

31. You know that old saying... "dead men tell no tales."

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When my husband woke me up with the news, my immediate thought was “gee, how convenient.”

[Eliot Rosewater]

32. Any speculation other than murder shows us we STILL HAVEN'T LEARNED

[calimary]

38. One always needs to keep in mind a key question: "Who benefits?"

[xxqqqzme]

39. My grandmother and

I had just walked into her mother's house. My great grandmother said, "Hurry up, they're moving Oswald" Walked into the living room and BANG!I still can't believe we actually saw a person shot, as it happened.

[burrowowl]

41. Yup! Epstein's suicide is suspicious

it stinks to high heaven.

[Rhiannon12866]

48. I remember that too.

I remember the whole trauma of suddenly being sent home from school and we had the TV at home on all the time. I was the only one watching when I saw Oswald being shot and went to tell my mother in the kitchen. She held onto the counter and said she couldn't take anymore. That's also when I learned the word "grimace," which they kept using in the news reports.

[dflprincess]

54. I remember it and hearing my dad say to my mom

"Someone doesn't want him talking."

[secondwind]

60. I was watching everything, and then took a

bathroom break just as Oswald got shot. The timing was superb. *sarcasm*

[Laura PourMeADrink]

62. OMG! And that was long before rewind

[MicaelS]

63. Robert Oswald believed Lee did it...

Until the day he died.

I used to be a huge conspiracy buff and gun nut until the first time I visited the Sixth Floor Museum. I stood next to the window Oswald fired from. The first thing that came into my mind was "Shit, Oswald did it. It was an incredibly easy shot."

All the conspiracy bullshit was just that.

And I am 62 years old. Watched the funeral on TV.

[John1956PA]

64. Same age here. I have stood along Elm Street and gazed upward to the sixth floor of the building.

I agree with you about the dreadful easy opportunity which fate handed to Oswald.

[MicaelS]

65. The most amazing thing to me....

After all these years is just how truly small Dealey Plaza is on reality.

It looks so enormous on TV and still photographs

[John1956PA]

66. The demolition of some of the buildings in the late '70s or early '80s opened it up a bit.

The view from the Reunion Tower helps to frame the perspective a bit. I know what your saying about the video footage from that awful day presenting a false appearance of spaciousness. The closeups of parents shielding their children on the lawn while people in the background ran towards the fence helped to create an inflated perception of the size of the plaza.

[kskiska]

71. Robert Oswald did it for me, too.

He's written that when he visited his brother in jail after the shooting that he locked eyes with Lee and Lee told him, "You won't find anything in there, brother."

[customerserviceguy]

67. Back then

my parents were glued to the TV set, so, yes, we all watched it. That was the power of TV as never before seen.