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Link to tweet
I am not trying to wade into conspiracy theory territory but the way I see this it looks like they provided him with the means to do this.
A trial, even if he didn't talk, would have been weeks and weeks of bad press.
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)Someone just fucked up, accidentally or on purpose is still to be determined.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)And the means to tie it to something?
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I believe I read about someone doing that once with a sheet. Although if he was on suicide watch, he shouldn't have had a sheet. I believe they also have like paper or rubber clothing on suicide watch.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)It's about 50/50 depending on the source. It sounds like someone is trying to get their story straight.
Ptah
(33,024 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Ptah
(33,024 posts)Response to Ptah (Reply #9)
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Ptah
(33,024 posts)ANN COULTER: JEFFREY EPSTEIN PROBABLY DIDNT KILL HIMSELF AT ALL
calimary
(81,220 posts)The day I actually agreed with something that harpy said ...
zaj
(3,433 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... Bill Barr's DOJ colluded with Clinton associates
Mr. Evil
(2,840 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,592 posts)That shit started immediately.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,932 posts)Another event dividing DU into warring camps: CT and those ridiculing all speculation - both of which miss the likelihood that the truth lies somewhere in-between.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)a whole lot of well-off people who are happy he's dead.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)way out. He's rich, he has powerful friends, excellent lawyers, etc. He obviously could have killed himself anytime -- why not wait a bit and see what his lawyers could come up with?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I can only imagine how Id feel locked in a cell with no chance of bail.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)meadowlander
(4,394 posts)He started trying to kill himself, failed, and someone wandered by and decided on a whim to finish him off?
Is that really more likely than that either 1. he's a coward and couldn't face his accusers or the prospect of life in prison or 2. there's significant evidence that he ran an international pedophile ring, had compromising information on a lot of people creating a motive to kill him and at least some of those people were wealthy and/or influential enough to also have the means.
Why wasn't he on suicide watch when he tried before like a week ago?
That isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a reasonable question.
Cirque du So-What
(25,932 posts)'he's not dead; we won't see the body' is straight-up CT.
meadowlander
(4,394 posts)If so, I haven't seen it.
The two theories with "camps" seem to be "it was a hit" which seems entirely plausible and "he really did just kill himself" - also plausible.
Let's see what the evidence suggests.
Cirque du So-What
(25,932 posts)They've posted in this thread. Remains to be seen whether they'll claim the photo is fake.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)kozar
(2,109 posts)Lets understand, Dayton and Elpaso are off the cycle,, I will paste a chess analogy,, that popped in my head.. The people involved,who prey on young women, (present tense intentional) cannot think like we do.. here is what I am saying,,who is the King in this chess game?
If your Queen gets captured, the game isn't over. You have other pieces to carry out the game. I'm not certain Epstein was the "king" of this chess game.. Maybe the queen, in chess parlance. I believe their are other pieces to keep "their game" moving along.
Koz
brush
(53,771 posts)but for now the information inside Epstein's head is no longer a threat. Anyone who thinks this was just a no-strings-attached suicide by Epstein is too naive to be taken seriously.
They may as well admit they think Oswald killed Kennedy all by his lonesome, or Jack Ruby somehow got into the facility where Oswald was being transferred all by himself and killed Oswald, or the DC Madame committed suicide all by herself.
This list could go on and on and on as political killings disguised to be suicides happen all the effin' time and have through out history.
how does this response, concur with my response to Shred? I obviously understand the "game" I made an analogy,, could you please just respond to that if you will respond to my posts? thanks
Koz
brush
(53,771 posts)kozar
(2,109 posts)no harm,,thanks for response,
Koz
mokawanis
(4,440 posts)I just got home and haven't had a chance to read the details yet.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Maybe thats from the hanging.
meadowlander
(4,394 posts)He must have tied the sheet under his nose. As you do...
calimary
(81,220 posts)Who got that shot?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Probably cell phone by an employee.
Imagine what you could charge for that...
MustLoveBeagles
(11,592 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Why the sunglasses so early in the morning? Is one guy in a bulletproof vest?
Kid Berwyn
(14,887 posts)We might get an answer should Bill Barr ever answer a subpoena to appear before Congress.
The fact so many are already denigrating any discussion of a conspiracy in the death of a man who ran a global conspiracy serving plutocratic pedophiles with children should make clear the scope of the threat facing democracy.
triron
(21,999 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,452 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)instantly know that the SECOND they see the headline that he is dead.
Do we EVER LEARN
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)MontanaMama
(23,308 posts)Just guessing.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Visit every day so he could leave his cell and socialize.
I am guessing that they were pestering prison administration dozens of times a day to take him off because of the harsh nature of 24 hour lighting, no bed covers, constantly being woken up.
They probably threatened dozens of law suits.
Most logical explanation, we will see
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,978 posts)Which is to say, I don't believe either committed suicide.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)is handed out in Russia. How many Russian mafia members are in that jail? Did Epstein hang, or was he poisoned?
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,978 posts)wishstar
(5,268 posts)Mainstream news report I read said he told authorities he was beaten by an inmate, not an attempted suicide in that earlier incident.
Maggiemayhem
(809 posts)Beringia
(4,316 posts)While Epstein told authorities he was beaten up and called a child predator, the sources said, he has been placed on suicide watch. His injuries were not serious, they said.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/jeffrey-epstein-injured-jail-cell/index.html
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Done and dusted.
CCExile
(468 posts)Botany
(70,501 posts)aka Droopy Dog