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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:41 AM Aug 2019

WHO took him off of suicide watch?




I am not trying to wade into conspiracy theory territory but the way I see this it looks like they provided him with the means to do this.

A trial, even if he didn't talk, would have been weeks and weeks of bad press.
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WHO took him off of suicide watch? (Original Post) SHRED Aug 2019 OP
He WAS on Suicide Watch donkeypoofed Aug 2019 #1
How'd he get a blanket? SHRED Aug 2019 #8
Maybe if there were bunk beds, idk how that would work. dewsgirl Aug 2019 #38
How? Bill Barr will provide a summary. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #55
NYT: Epstein not on suicide watch grantcart Aug 2019 #18
This suicide watch, not suicide watch, seems to be a very fluid situation. dewsgirl Aug 2019 #42
Infowars agrees with you. Ptah Aug 2019 #2
You forgot the sarcasm tag uponit7771 Aug 2019 #7
No, I did not post sarcastically. Ptah Aug 2019 #9
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #13
It is a fact. Ptah Aug 2019 #14
Well son of a gun. calimary Aug 2019 #24
They will say it was Clinton zaj Aug 2019 #22
+1, looks like zerohedge already has something about this going. MAGA Cultist will proffer ... uponit7771 Aug 2019 #27
Hillary Clinton: Stealth ninja assassin! Mr. Evil Aug 2019 #37
That ship has already sailed MustLoveBeagles Aug 2019 #47
The QAnon fucknuts are already saying that. backscatter712 Aug 2019 #61
Valid question Cirque du So-What Aug 2019 #3
Well said SHRED Aug 2019 #4
It's hardly a CT. People get offed in prison all the time. And in Epstein's case, there are Nay Aug 2019 #17
People commit suicide in prison all the time too. cwydro Aug 2019 #20
Yes, they do. But IMO, Epstein had a ways to go before he would have taken that Nay Aug 2019 #29
No idea. I'm not a mind reader. cwydro Aug 2019 #30
+1, and that's horrible enough !!! uponit7771 Aug 2019 #28
What's the "in between" scenario between "he killed himself" and "he was killed"? meadowlander Aug 2019 #46
No, but... Cirque du So-What Aug 2019 #48
Is there a "camp" on DU promoting that? meadowlander Aug 2019 #51
Well...YEAH Cirque du So-What Aug 2019 #57
I'll just leave this here... backscatter712 Aug 2019 #62
Ask Bill Barr. The Federal Bureau of Prisons reports to him dalton99a Aug 2019 #5
Shred,, my take, kozar Aug 2019 #6
And they'll deal with other revelations that come out when they happen... brush Aug 2019 #63
So,, kozar Aug 2019 #64
Sorry, I responded to the wrong post. brush Aug 2019 #65
we all do it from time to time,, kozar Aug 2019 #66
How did he kill himself? mokawanis Aug 2019 #10
Reported by NYT as hanging dalton99a Aug 2019 #12
His face looks kind of banged up there. cwydro Aug 2019 #21
Yes, bruise right in the middle of his left cheek. meadowlander Aug 2019 #50
Whoa... calimary Aug 2019 #25
Weird, ain't it? cwydro Aug 2019 #56
I'm surprised they published those photos MustLoveBeagles Aug 2019 #49
Is it just me or does his head look huge in the lower picture? rzemanfl Aug 2019 #58
Very Important Question Kid Berwyn Aug 2019 #11
And even here! triron Aug 2019 #15
yes, even here. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #19
We're getting gaslighted for sure. Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #26
He was murdered and I cant FUCKING BELIEVE anyone here of all places doesnt Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #16
+100000 Pachamama Aug 2019 #32
+1, tons of LPC posters giving Barr's DOJ any benefit of the doubt !!! uponit7771 Aug 2019 #34
LPC? Agschmid Aug 2019 #45
Low post count. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #52
Thanks. Agschmid Aug 2019 #53
Low post count? MontanaMama Aug 2019 #54
Fact: Epstein was paying his attorneys thousands of dollars an hourto grantcart Aug 2019 #23
I believe he hanged himself the way I believe the DC Madam hanged herself 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2019 #31
This is how "justice" Scarsdale Aug 2019 #36
My first thought was poison/Putin. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2019 #43
I read news report that he was beaten up earlier, not on suicide watch at all wishstar Aug 2019 #33
Link? Maggiemayhem Aug 2019 #35
He was on suicide watch, at least after the 1st incident Beringia Aug 2019 #44
Trump phone call to Bill Barr... BlueIdaho Aug 2019 #39
The trial must go on! CCExile Aug 2019 #40
WHO took him off of suicide watch? Botany Aug 2019 #41
I thought Barr reminded me of somebody! n/t customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #59
His psychiatrist must have been Jonathan Crane... backscatter712 Aug 2019 #60

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
38. Maybe if there were bunk beds, idk how that would work.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:40 PM
Aug 2019

I believe I read about someone doing that once with a sheet. Although if he was on suicide watch, he shouldn't have had a sheet. I believe they also have like paper or rubber clothing on suicide watch.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
42. This suicide watch, not suicide watch, seems to be a very fluid situation.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:43 PM
Aug 2019

It's about 50/50 depending on the source. It sounds like someone is trying to get their story straight.

Response to Ptah (Reply #9)

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
27. +1, looks like zerohedge already has something about this going. MAGA Cultist will proffer ...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:05 PM
Aug 2019

... Bill Barr's DOJ colluded with Clinton associates

Cirque du So-What

(25,932 posts)
3. Valid question
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:45 AM
Aug 2019

Another event dividing DU into warring camps: CT and those ridiculing all speculation - both of which miss the likelihood that the truth lies somewhere in-between.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
17. It's hardly a CT. People get offed in prison all the time. And in Epstein's case, there are
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:50 PM
Aug 2019

a whole lot of well-off people who are happy he's dead.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
29. Yes, they do. But IMO, Epstein had a ways to go before he would have taken that
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:06 PM
Aug 2019

way out. He's rich, he has powerful friends, excellent lawyers, etc. He obviously could have killed himself anytime -- why not wait a bit and see what his lawyers could come up with?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. No idea. I'm not a mind reader.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:08 PM
Aug 2019

I can only imagine how I’d feel locked in a cell with no chance of bail.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
46. What's the "in between" scenario between "he killed himself" and "he was killed"?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:46 PM
Aug 2019

He started trying to kill himself, failed, and someone wandered by and decided on a whim to finish him off?

Is that really more likely than that either 1. he's a coward and couldn't face his accusers or the prospect of life in prison or 2. there's significant evidence that he ran an international pedophile ring, had compromising information on a lot of people creating a motive to kill him and at least some of those people were wealthy and/or influential enough to also have the means.

Why wasn't he on suicide watch when he tried before like a week ago?

That isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a reasonable question.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
51. Is there a "camp" on DU promoting that?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:52 PM
Aug 2019

If so, I haven't seen it.

The two theories with "camps" seem to be "it was a hit" which seems entirely plausible and "he really did just kill himself" - also plausible.

Let's see what the evidence suggests.

kozar

(2,109 posts)
6. Shred,, my take,
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:47 AM
Aug 2019

Lets understand, Dayton and Elpaso are off the cycle,, I will paste a chess analogy,, that popped in my head.. The people involved,who prey on young women, (present tense intentional) cannot think like we do.. here is what I am saying,,who is the King in this chess game?


If your Queen gets captured, the game isn't over. You have other pieces to carry out the game. I'm not certain Epstein was the "king" of this chess game.. Maybe the queen, in chess parlance. I believe their are other pieces to keep "their game" moving along.


Koz

brush

(53,771 posts)
63. And they'll deal with other revelations that come out when they happen...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:52 PM
Aug 2019

but for now the information inside Epstein's head is no longer a threat. Anyone who thinks this was just a no-strings-attached suicide by Epstein is too naive to be taken seriously.

They may as well admit they think Oswald killed Kennedy all by his lonesome, or Jack Ruby somehow got into the facility where Oswald was being transferred all by himself and killed Oswald, or the DC Madame committed suicide all by herself.

This list could go on and on and on as political killings disguised to be suicides happen all the effin' time and have through out history.

kozar

(2,109 posts)
64. So,,
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:02 PM
Aug 2019

how does this response, concur with my response to Shred? I obviously understand the "game" I made an analogy,, could you please just respond to that if you will respond to my posts? thanks

Koz

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
50. Yes, bruise right in the middle of his left cheek.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:49 PM
Aug 2019

He must have tied the sheet under his nose. As you do...

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
56. Weird, ain't it?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:59 PM
Aug 2019

Probably cell phone by an employee.

Imagine what you could charge for that...

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
58. Is it just me or does his head look huge in the lower picture?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:01 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Why the sunglasses so early in the morning? Is one guy in a bulletproof vest?

Kid Berwyn

(14,887 posts)
11. Very Important Question
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:52 AM
Aug 2019

We might get an answer should Bill Barr ever answer a subpoena to appear before Congress.

The fact so many are already denigrating any discussion of a conspiracy in the death of a man who ran a global conspiracy serving plutocratic pedophiles with children should make clear the scope of the threat facing democracy.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
16. He was murdered and I cant FUCKING BELIEVE anyone here of all places doesnt
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 12:41 PM
Aug 2019

instantly know that the SECOND they see the headline that he is dead.

Do we EVER LEARN

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. Fact: Epstein was paying his attorneys thousands of dollars an hourto
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:02 PM
Aug 2019

Visit every day so he could leave his cell and socialize.

I am guessing that they were pestering prison administration dozens of times a day to take him off because of the harsh nature of 24 hour lighting, no bed covers, constantly being woken up.

They probably threatened dozens of law suits.

Most logical explanation, we will see

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,978 posts)
31. I believe he hanged himself the way I believe the DC Madam hanged herself
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:09 PM
Aug 2019

Which is to say, I don't believe either committed suicide.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
36. This is how "justice"
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019

is handed out in Russia. How many Russian mafia members are in that jail? Did Epstein hang, or was he poisoned?

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
33. I read news report that he was beaten up earlier, not on suicide watch at all
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:13 PM
Aug 2019

Mainstream news report I read said he told authorities he was beaten by an inmate, not an attempted suicide in that earlier incident.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
44. He was on suicide watch, at least after the 1st incident
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:45 PM
Aug 2019




While Epstein told authorities he was beaten up and called a child predator, the sources said, he has been placed on suicide watch. His injuries were not serious, they said.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/jeffrey-epstein-injured-jail-cell/index.html
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