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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:27 PM Aug 2012

Move over Death Panels... the Lactation Chambers have arrived!!

Some background on the major league asshole they just had flaking for Romney—Staples co-founder Tom Stemberg. He is very, very concerned about Obama's "lactation chambers." (Needless to say, there is no mention in the ACA of "lactation chambers.&quot

Stemberg, a longtime supporter of Republican policies and candidates like Mitt Romney, complained recently that President Obama’s health care reform law hurts businesses by requiring them to provide what he dubbed “lactation chambers” for new moms who need to breastfeed at work:

Tom Stemberg, co-founder of mega-office supply chain Staples is questioning an Obamacare provision that discourages job creation by dictating employers funnel their capital into lactation chambers.

“Do you want [farming retailer] Tractor Supply to open stores or would you rather they take their capital and do what Obamacare and its 2,700 pages dictates – which is to open a lactation chamber at every single store that they have?” he asked. ...I don’t think every retail store in America should have to go to lactation chambers, which is what Obamacare foresees.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/obamacare-dictates-retailers-open-lactation-chamber-every-single-store-staples

Stemberg was presumably referring to provisions in the Affordable Care Act that require employers to give lactating mothers “reasonable break time” to nurse their child, as well as “a place, other than a bathroom, that is shielded from view and free from intrusion from coworkers and the public…” The place they provide for new moms does not have to be a dedicated room as long as it’s private and can be called into use when female employees need it.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/07/420595/staples-co-founder-complains-that-allowing-women-to-breastfeed-at-work-will-cost-jobs/




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Move over Death Panels... the Lactation Chambers have arrived!! (Original Post) cthulu2016 Aug 2012 OP
Uh oh. they should NOT piss off the young Moms. "lactation chamber" is basically a private area... progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #1
Its for pumping. vanlassie Aug 2012 #2
And would probably not be all that hard to set up. Iris Aug 2012 #5
where I once worked they opened up an unused meeting room that had a lock on it lunasun Aug 2012 #6
Right. Closet sized space. Or larger if a big employer. vanlassie Aug 2012 #7
Where I work, It's basically the kitchenette for one of our meeting rooms. TheMightyFavog Aug 2012 #11
It could be a chair with a curtain around it in a lounge rooms. No cost. No problem. Squinch Aug 2012 #24
My boss lets all new moms use his leftynyc Aug 2012 #27
That's the American way - thoughtful, creative problem solving - not whining and complaining (NT) reACTIONary Aug 2012 #40
. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #3
If Stemberg were a better business person, Staples would be SELLING lactation chambers. Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #4
I am going to breathe down your neck so you don't have an abortion, but once that baby is out - jillan Aug 2012 #8
that's it in a nutshell. nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #10
Yup. LAGC Aug 2012 #12
Pretty much. SMDH. Butterbean Aug 2012 #29
I could not care less about Tractor Supply vanlassie Aug 2012 #9
GOP men really HATE women and children - THEY want 1st crack at the lifeboats tomm2thumbs Aug 2012 #13
Did he mention the masturbation suites? Scuba Aug 2012 #14
What the hell does that have to do with anything? Cairycat Aug 2012 #15
They're as real as the lactation chambers? Scuba Aug 2012 #19
"Spit out my ice cream" funny Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #37
I thought they were pro-life, pro-motherhood, apple pie bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #16
"Pro-life" only means "in utero" Freddie Aug 2012 #41
Businesses with fewer than 50 employees are generally exempt Cairycat Aug 2012 #17
No actually the dept of labor, at least in California said they are going to take a very hard look vanlassie Sep 2012 #48
Oh the horror!!! Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #18
I love it krispos42 Aug 2012 #20
Just one more reason to not shop at Staples. marble falls Aug 2012 #21
Romney and Stemny would probably suggest the roof of the nearest BootinUp Aug 2012 #22
I'll bet this jackass supports.... Swede Atlanta Aug 2012 #23
Tractor Supply Company? gollygee Aug 2012 #25
because we all know mopinko Aug 2012 #32
Wow, another rich dude without a brain cell. How do they make it in business? sinkingfeeling Aug 2012 #26
Back to old days of not hiring women of childbearing age HockeyMom Aug 2012 #28
So will breat pumps be listed as weapons of mass destruction? Javaman Aug 2012 #30
i worked at the Pentagon 10 years ago and after the birth of my son Heather MC Aug 2012 #31
You just know he has a stash of Lactating fetish videos at home... LeftinOH Aug 2012 #33
Even Morgan Stanley allowed me to pump at work! ocd liberal Aug 2012 #34
Back in the 80s, a good friend of mine worked as a Rozlee Aug 2012 #39
"Like a dam of venom burst" Freddie Aug 2012 #42
chicken daybranch Aug 2012 #35
Hey, if allow new mothers to breast feed/pump... cactusfractal Aug 2012 #36
Point to bear in mind re STAPLES rlegro Aug 2012 #38
We already do this in our office. phylny Aug 2012 #43
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #44
These wingers have no clue they are pissing off every voting block except white men. sarcasmo Aug 2012 #45
Oh for fucks sake. I'm no lactivist, but that's just STUPID REP Aug 2012 #46
Where I work the lactation station was a janitorial closet. tammywammy Aug 2012 #47

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
1. Uh oh. they should NOT piss off the young Moms. "lactation chamber" is basically a private area...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:31 PM
Aug 2012

just like a "lounge" that they used to build for employees and such near the dressing rooms. Had a couch, a place to hang jackets, and was a place to quietly relax.

Lactation Chamber.. wtf? It's just a private place to nurse. But really.. how many women bring their newborn to work?

vanlassie

(5,663 posts)
2. Its for pumping.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:44 PM
Aug 2012

Women are now allowed a private place to pump. Not a toilet. And reasonable time. Not required to be paid, if it goes over the employer's allotted break time. The time and the place are required.

Iris

(15,649 posts)
5. And would probably not be all that hard to set up.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:40 AM
Aug 2012

It'd pretty much be a one time expense, wouldn't it?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
6. where I once worked they opened up an unused meeting room that had a lock on it
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:17 AM
Aug 2012

for the one person who was pumping milk and that was in 1980
get over it people
Office max or depot for me now

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
11. Where I work, It's basically the kitchenette for one of our meeting rooms.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:38 AM
Aug 2012

It's got one of those folding camp chairs so a nursing mother can have a relatively comfy place to sit without taking up too much space when not in use and locks on the doors with do not disturb door hangers and some breastfeeding literature. It's a handy way to get some use out of the space (The kitchenette very rarely gets used anyways.) I think the last time I opened it up was to let someone in from the Public Health department to put in new literature last summer.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. My boss lets all new moms use his
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:11 AM
Aug 2012

personal conference room for this. Quiet, private, can sit in a comfy chair and put her feet up. And he's been doing this since before the healthcare law was passed. Some people are just real human beings and some are not.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
4. If Stemberg were a better business person, Staples would be SELLING lactation chambers.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:22 AM
Aug 2012

Something like a port-a-john without the toilet would do the trick.


jillan

(39,451 posts)
8. I am going to breathe down your neck so you don't have an abortion, but once that baby is out -
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:21 AM
Aug 2012

you and that kid need to get out of my way of me and my profits. And my tax dollars.

Republicans are heartless, hypocritical assholes.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
29. Pretty much. SMDH.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:23 AM
Aug 2012

The underlying message here is, of course, that all mothers should be home like good girls raising their children. Like decorations on the periphery for their husbands. It's also a subtle attempt at fueling the mommy wars. Nothing like pitting woman against woman in the name of motherhood choices.

vanlassie

(5,663 posts)
9. I could not care less about Tractor Supply
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:28 AM
Aug 2012

But I know for a FACT that they employ women. So they need to get with the program.

Actually, this winter I was driving my car in a parking lot with a Tractor Supply, on my way to get gas when I was practically run off the road by what turned out to be a Tractor Supply employee. I reported him and the company claimed it was not their employee. I took pictures of the plates and sent them. They refused to respond. So I think they are not a respectable company. I wonder if they are connected to Staples?

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
13. GOP men really HATE women and children - THEY want 1st crack at the lifeboats
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:05 AM
Aug 2012

no wonder they hate them -- they want to return to their money, not their families

Cairycat

(1,704 posts)
17. Businesses with fewer than 50 employees are generally exempt
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:38 AM
Aug 2012

if they want to be. I would think that would apply to most individual Tractor Supply stores. See the section, "What about 'undue hardship' exemptions for smaller employers?" in this FAQ: http://www.usbreastfeeding.org/Default.aspx?TabId=188

vanlassie

(5,663 posts)
48. No actually the dept of labor, at least in California said they are going to take a very hard look
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 12:56 PM
Sep 2012

at any requests for "hardship." If your business hangs on the line based on single employee not being gone for 15 minutes, you will have to prove it.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
20. I love it
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:36 AM
Aug 2012

This nutjob will force you to carry a baby to term, and all that financially implies (a massive amount of money compared to a person's earnings) but GOD DAMN YOU if you make a mega-corporation spend money on a closet with a door and a chair.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
23. I'll bet this jackass supports....
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:26 AM
Aug 2012

a ban on abortion even in the case of rape, incest and the mother's health.

If so he wants to force women to give birth but then, again not understanding basic human biology, doesn't want to give these mothers reasonable accommodation to pump their milk, something they must do. We are so frigging stingy in this country with maternity leave that mothers that breastfeed must pump.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. Tractor Supply Company?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:55 AM
Aug 2012

This is really just another dog whistle from them. Women aren't important to them. Men men men men!

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
32. because we all know
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:18 AM
Aug 2012

that no woman ever worked at a tractor supply, nor owned one, nor ever bought a tractor.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
28. Back to old days of not hiring women of childbearing age
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:20 AM
Aug 2012

Too many "problems". "You go to the bathroom too much during your period". Yes, heard that one back in the 60s. I said to that MALE boss that if I didn't he would have to buy me a new CHAIR every month. He got red in the face and never said anything again.

Yep, those were the days.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
31. i worked at the Pentagon 10 years ago and after the birth of my son
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:29 AM
Aug 2012

I realized I had no where to go to bump breastmilk. and as all new mother's quickly find out when you need to express that milk out and you can't, it's. very painful. I would have to go into security closets to pump my milk. I didn't want to us a bathroom stall. that was disgusting to me. The problem was the security closets were open to anyone with access on at least three occasions I was walked in on by my bosses or other men on the renovation teams. it was so akward.

I wish their had been lactation chambers in the Pentagon it would have been nice. All of the new mother's at the time had similar stories of dealing with that issue.

LeftinOH

(5,353 posts)
33. You just know he has a stash of Lactating fetish videos at home...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:26 AM
Aug 2012

Seriously-- What kind of freak think up stuff like this?

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
39. Back in the 80s, a good friend of mine worked as a
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:27 PM
Aug 2012

secretary in a machine shop in the Army. It was a novelty to the guys working with her, but they cleared out a used tire room and set it up for her with a couch. I have a feeling we've regressed to the point that you won't see that kind of chivalry much anymore. It's like a dam of venom has burst within conservatives that was holding back all this hostility against women, minorities, the poor, anyone who has different philosophies than they do. I've never seen such bile in my life. Well, I wasn't an adult during the 50s and 60s Civil Rights era and the feminist movement of the 70s, so I might not have a complete perspective on the picture.

Freddie

(9,257 posts)
42. "Like a dam of venom burst"
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:20 PM
Aug 2012

Indeed, well said! Like all the abortion laws, passed or not, of late: red states are having a competition to see who can harass, insult, and just plain hate women more.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
35. chicken
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:48 PM
Aug 2012

why does this guy point at Tractor Supply? Is he afraid people will recognize he is part of Staples and might be boycotted by families?

cactusfractal

(494 posts)
36. Hey, if allow new mothers to breast feed/pump...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:16 PM
Aug 2012

How will we get their spawn onto the ADM/Kraft/Monsanto chemical formula and into the hands of minimum wage for-profit daycare or evangelical programming centers? Gotta break that maternal bond ¡muy pronto! and get that healthy loyalty to church and corporation programmed in!

rlegro

(338 posts)
38. Point to bear in mind re STAPLES
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:43 PM
Aug 2012

Staples is a firm that emerged out of Bain Capital finagling, which may explain why its co-founder is such a rMoney groupie. Mentioned in the new Rolling Stone article about rMoney and Bain.

phylny

(8,368 posts)
43. We already do this in our office.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:05 PM
Aug 2012

One of the young women who works for me is pumping for her baby. I told her to put time on her schedule, and she's able to pump twice a day in peace, with no disruptions.

If you want to keep good employees, you let them know they're valuable, and you prove it by working with them when you can. This is a no-brainer.

Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

REP

(21,691 posts)
46. Oh for fucks sake. I'm no lactivist, but that's just STUPID
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:17 PM
Aug 2012

Allowing women a private, clean (non-toilet area) place to pump is not a horrible burden on anyone anywhere. Of course, it might make breast-feeding an option to working-class women instead of just middle and upper class women, oh horrors.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
47. Where I work the lactation station was a janitorial closet.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:22 PM
Aug 2012

I think it was a janitorial closet. They came in painted it, put in a counter, mini fridge, comfy chair and the door locks from the inside.

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