Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide is unfathomable

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/10/jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-is-unfathomable/

By Harry Litman

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First, consider the MCC itself. It is a high-rise, forbidding administrative detention facility in the south of Manhattan. Its population consists almost entirely of prisoners, like Epstein, awaiting trial in federal court in Manhattan. It has been referred to as the “Guantanamo of New York” for its stringent security measures. It is the facility of choice for notorious federal defendants, often in special administrative segregation units, having previously housed John Gotti, Bernard Madoff, Omar Abdel Rahman and, recently, Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

In other words, it is the very place to put a high-profile and potentially suicidal defendant such as Epstein.

Second, consider the BOP’s suicide prevention protocol. Epstein was found last month unconscious in his MCC cell with marks on his neck. If he was not on suicide watch, it would be astonishing. Yet if he were on suicide watch, his death would be virtually inconceivable.

The BOP’s suicide prevention protocol entails, first and foremost, human eyes on the prisoner 24 hours a day. It also requires a strict deprivation of anything — shoelaces, sheets, pillowcases — that could possibly be used to hang oneself. It also requires disabling anything that could be used to tie a noose — vents, sprinkler heads, etc.

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[calimary]

1. I guess it depends on who gets to do the "watching".

And who they really work for.

[2naSalit]

3. Exactly...nt

[KPN]

4. Exactly. But of course any suggestiona

about anything suspicious will be instantly labeled “conspiracy theory” by we all know who.

[Cousin Dupree]

15. And some people on DU too

[Efilroft Sul]

11. Who watches the watchmen?

[uponit7771]

2. K&R, there are way too many LPC replies giving Barr's DOJ the benefit of the doubt

[KPN]

5. LPC?

[Lochloosa]

6. Low post counts. Under 8223.

[Disaffected]

8. Uh-oh

Better not say anything.

[Marthe48]

29. Why that post count?

Just curious about how you arrived at that number? I've been a member of D.U. going on 19 years. I don't post often.

[Lochloosa]

31. That was KPN's count when I replied.

[Marthe48]

40. gotcha

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[zonkers]

35. Me too! Since recount.

[Marthe48]

41. I signed up after Sept. 11

about 3 weeks after.

[grumpyduck]

7. And how do we know he really died?

[Ptah]

9. How do we know he really existed?

[Codeine]

13. How do we know ANY of us exist?!

[Dr. Strange]

23. WHY is Gamora?

[Codeine]

24. Exactly.

[cwydro]

14. Bwah!

[USALiberal]

22. Really? Going full conspiracy? nt

[grumpyduck]

33. Why is it so far-fetched,

given this particular administration (using that term loosely), to think that he may have been spirited away to, for instance, make sure he didn't talk? I wouldn't trust anything a lot of people in this administration say to me. Orange? Nope. Barr? Nope.

So, please tell me, why is it so far-fetched?

[USALiberal]

36. Lack of any proof! Small issue! nt

[jberryhill]

37. You go, grumpyduck

Do us all proud!

[Timmygoat]

10. According to

A UK newspaper reports that he had 14 phone numbers in his book for Trump.
Apparently he met Melania at Epsteins.

[Sunsky]

12. I agree

As a mental health professional, I will say this was a serious breach of protocol. A person who has attempted suicide, should not be allowed the tools to successfully carry out the act. What makes it worst, is that I read on the NYT that he was NOT on suicide watch when this happened.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch.html
Why did they looked the other way?

[customerserviceguy]

16. Any thorough investigation

will get into the personal communications and finances of every individual who worked in that building.

[Sunsky]

21. One can only hope.

I want to know what is the rationale behind taking him off suicide watch.

[Blue_true]

34. You asked the billion dollar question.

The issue that exists now is how thorough will an investigation into how he did be. There are just so many things wrong, a guy tried to kill himself about two weeks ago and he was taken off suicide watch, put back into general population and given the means to kill himself or be killed.

[MustLoveBeagles]

20. +1

[jimlup]

38. Somebody was paid off to take him off suicide watch

probably by Epstein himself. He's a fucking billionaire - he only had one way out and he took it. Asshole coward all the way.

[jimlup]

39. 'cause somebody got paid

probably by Epstein himself

[dalton99a]

17. Somebody ought to look at the chief psychologist

Inmates can only be removed from the watch when the program coordinator, who is generally the chief psychologist at the facility, deems they are no longer at imminent risk for suicide, according a 2007 Bureau of Prison document outlining suicide prevention policies. The inmates cannot be removed from the watch without a face-to-face evaluation.

To take an inmate off suicide watch a “post-watch report” needs to be completed, which includes an analysis of how the inmate’s circumstances have changed and why that merits removal from the watch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch.html

[Sneederbunk]

18. Barr's DOJ either dropped the ball or spiked the ball.

[Duppers]

32. Word: Barr.

You hit it. Now, how many prison guards can keep a secret?

[MustLoveBeagles]

19. I'm not buying the theory that he was murdered

Him wanting to kill himself under these circumstances isn't far fetched at all. That said, after the previous suicide attempt he should've remained on suicide watch. If he tried it once, it's reasonable to assume he would try it again. Someone seriously dropped the ball on this one. Whether it's accidentally or on purpose, this needs to be investigated.

[jcgoldie]

25. I have no idea why this is so shocking to people...

...happens in Russia all the time.

[TheRealNorth]

26. In Russia, we call it tying up loose end.

[dchill]

28. Thank you, Boris Badenov!

[dchill]

27. Stringent is as stringent does.

[OrlandoDem2]

30. Even if he's not on suicide watch, how does someone have access to the means of hanging oneself in

prison?

I’d think that blankets, pillow cases, shoe laces, sprinkler heads, etc wouldn’t be readily available in any jail cell.

This doesn’t make sense.