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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFormer US Attorney SDNY, Preet Bharara, says there has to be video of Epstein's suicide
Link to tweet
Preet Bharara
@PreetBharara
There should be and almost certainly is video of Epsteins suicide at MCC. One hopes it is complete, conclusive, and secured.
volstork
(5,400 posts)Just like the Zapruder film.
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)My first thought also!
live love laugh
(13,100 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)cameras do actually mal function, I suppose.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Everyone that believes that stand on your head
mahina
(17,646 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Takket
(21,560 posts)he may have very well been suicidal and was supposedly on a suicide watch at one point.......... so anyone who wanted him dead would only need to get the watch removed and get the materials in place for him to hang himself to essentially murder him.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Jim__
(14,075 posts)Response to Mrs. Overall (Original post)
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KT2000
(20,576 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)You might want to edit your post.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)consider deleting
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)In my book, security of ANYTHING under the control of William Barr is a fantasy.
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Mme. Defarge
(8,027 posts)That is, if it really was suicide.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)are deprived of closure.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)or Trump's Justice Dept has to keep it classified because reasons. Or something...
Mazeltov Cocktail
(569 posts)Can't imagine I'm going to believe anything from the current DOJ.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)If it is true he was found dead in jail cell, why isn't his face swollen and purple as is the case of asphyxiation?
and why are his hands clenched, while one forearm is vertical, and outside the rail of the stretcher?
It should be limp, and the hands open and limp.
zoom in.......
picture from NY Post.....https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/
burrowowl
(17,638 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Why the sunglasses at that hour? Is that a bulletproof vest on the guy in the hat?
triron
(21,999 posts)Something rotten in Denmark.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and medics are trained to continue cpr right up to the moment ER takes over,
but
prison officials reportedly said he was dead when found.
In both cases, hands should be limp, or so say people who identify as medics.
triron
(21,999 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)But that doesn't mean he did it to himself.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...the hands looks cyanotic/dusky.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Which is what they're saying now -- if only as an excuse for the success being his SECOND attempt!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12367920
rocktivity
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)while being transported.
And must have had inside connections at the airport, why didn't anyone inform him that the Feds were waiting for him before he landed?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... way Epstein wouldn't have held evidence up against his safety for collateral.
NO WAY
japple
(9,821 posts)....and, yeah, he/she's been fired and somehow we can't find out where he/she lives...
LisaL
(44,973 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Stick a fork in him.
This could be a drug induced coma to get him out.
I want proof!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)And millions of people don't believe that, either.
Gumboot
(531 posts)... then a Jack Ruby character was let in and out through a back door.
Just a hunch...
Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)is that we will never know what happened to Epstein.
Did he
1. Committ suicide?
2. Get killed by fellow prisoner?
3. Get killed by a prison guard?
4. Get killed by Putin or another hostile foreign government?
5. Not really die and is now on an island off the coast of anywhere-but-here?
6. Not really die and has been moved to a totally different type of imprisoned situation, being tortured to get info about whomever or whatever?
Those are the six that popped into my head this morning. I don't think it will be anything on this list. If Ian Fleming was still alive, he might have the imagination for something that is truly stranger than fiction.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I thought immediately of a "deadman's switch"
The kind of thing we have seen in movies where if you let go of button/lever/etc
something explodes. It's what the DC Madame apparently did not have, all she could did was to announce publicly that she would never commit suicide, then was found hanging in her tool shed.
So Epstein had that black book.
and faced a serious trial.
from all accounts he was not stupid, but a lot of powerful people were worried, esp. when the DA found that safe full of dvds, and rumors he had been taping those "massage rooms".
If they had been told he had a switch..a way of publicly releasing his information, maybe it would make more sense to fake the whole suicide bit, esp. after it was known the Judge was gonna release the details of evidence from the first trial.
there was some question of the first attempt, how serious it was or wasn't, but as a set up to a 2nd attempt it worked.
Maybe a body switch worked, certainly not implausible.
I am waiting to hear if the CCTV tape that Pareet Bahara was wondering about actually was working.
Would not be surprised to hear it "malfunctioned" as so very very many recorders of police behavior have been known to do.
also still waiting to hear definitely if he was or was not on suicide watch, and how he managed to hang himself with ....what????
There are so many books gonna be written about these last 5 years...this is a great story no matter how it turns out.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)"has to be" and "should be" mean two different things.