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Prominent economist wrote op-ed about Amazons new headquarters at companys suggestionStephen S. Fuller, a professor at George Mason University, also showed the article to Amazon public relations staff before publication and invited them to suggest changes although he rejected their revisions.
I want to [be] helpful to your Amazons mission and objectives with respect to its move to Arlington, Fuller wrote on March 1 to Jill Shatzen Kerr, Amazons policy communications manager, according to emails obtained by The Washington Post under a Freedom of Information Act request.
Fuller first offered the opinion piece to The Washington Post, which turned it down. The Washington Business Journal published it March 21 under the headline, Dont underestimate Amazon HQ2s importance.
Fullers interactions with Amazon, which were not disclosed to the Washington Business Journal or its readers, raised questions about whether he was acting independently and transparently in penning the article, according to some ethics experts. The journals editor said the publication would have handled the article differently had it known.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prominent-economist-wrote-op-ed-about-amazons-new-headquarters-at-companys-suggestion/2019/08/09/42b206b8-b885-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)I mean I tend to think the op ed was reasonable
crazytown
(7,277 posts)"Fullers interactions with Amazon ... were not disclosed to the Washington Business Journal or its readers"
yardwork
(61,538 posts)Your OP still inaccurately claims that the Washington Post published the op-ed. In fact, they turned it down and then exposed this scandal.
Your subsequent posts in this thread about the Washington Post are similarly inaccurate.
Honestly, I recommend that you delete your OP and start over. The Washington Post did the right thing in this instance.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)hatrack
(59,574 posts)FAIRFAX, Va. (AP) Virginias largest public university granted the conservative Charles Koch Foundation a say in the hiring and firing of professors in exchange for millions of dollars in donations, according to newly released documents.
The release of donor agreements between George Mason University and the foundation follows years of denials by university administrators that Koch foundation donations inhibit academic freedom.
University President Angel Cabrera wrote a note to faculty Friday night saying the agreements fall short of the standards of academic independence I expect any gift to meet. The admission came three days after a judge scrutinized the universitys earlier refusal to release any documents.
The newly released agreements spell out million-dollar deals in which the Koch Foundation endows a fund to pay the salary of one or more professors at the universitys Mercatus Center, a free-market think tank. The agreements require creation of five-member selection committees to choose the professors and grant the donors the right to name two of the committee members.
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https://apnews.com/0c87e4318bcc4eb9b8e69f9f54c7b889
From 2005-2014, George Mason University (GMU) and affiliated centers have taken just under $80 million from Koch foundations.
The George Mason University Foundation received $46,527,725 from Koch foundations since 2005. The bulk of this funding has gone to GMU's Economics department and GMU's Law and Economics Center. This $46.5 million investment represents half of the $90 million total that Koch foundations have sent to college departments at over 360 universities since 2005.
Charles Koch continues to finance and govern two political influence groups hosted on GMU's Arlington, Virginia campus. Since 2005, Charles Koch's foundation has given the Institute for Humane Studies $23,386,630, and provided $9,847,500 more to the Mercatus Center. Charles Koch is the chairman of the IHS, and has been directing the organization since the 1960s, before it re-located to GMU. Koch is also a director of the Mercatus Center, which he co-founded with Richard Fink.
In addition to financial ties, Koch has personnel involved with the university. Richard Fink, the vice president of Koch Industries, Inc., and the former president of the Charles G. Koch Foundation and the now-defunct Claude R. Lambe Foundation, serves on the board of directors of the Mercatus Center and the Institute for Humane Studies.
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https://www.desmogblog.com/koch-and-george-mason-university
All of this, so plainly in view but so strangely ignored, makes MacLeans vibrant intellectual history of the radical right especially relevant. Her book includes familiar villainsprincipally the Koch brothersand devotes many pages to think tanks like the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation, whose ideological programs are hardly a secret. But what sets Democracy in Chains apart is that it begins in the South, and emphasizes a genuinely original and very influential political thinker, the economist James M. Buchanan. He is not so well remembered today as his fellow Nobel laureates Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman. Yet as MacLean convincingly shows, his effect on our politics is at least as great, in part because of the evangelical fervor he brought to spreading his ideas.
It helped that Buchanan, despite his many accomplishments, continued to think of himself as an embattled outsider and also as a revolutionary. In 1973, well before the term counterestablishment was popularized, Buchanan was rallying like-minded allies to create, support, and activate an effective counterintelligentsia that could transform the way people think about government. Thirteen years later, when he won his Nobel Prize, he received the news as more than a validation of his work. His success represented a victory over the Eastern academic elite, achieved by someone who was, he said, proud to be a member of the great unwashed.
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With Reagan, deliverance seemed possible. Buchanans political influence reached its zenith. By this time, he had left the University of Virginia. As early as 1963, there were concernson the part of the dean of the faculty, for onethat Buchananism, at least as practiced at his Thomas Jefferson Center, had petrified into dogma, with no room for dissenting voices. After a battle over a promotion for his co-author, Tullock, Buchanan left in a huff. He went first to UCLA, next to Virginia Tech, and in 1983, climactically, to George Mason University, not far outside the Beltwayand much nearer to the political action. The Wall Street Journal soon labeled George Mason the Pentagon of conservative academia. With its stable of economists who have become an important resource for the Reagan administration, it was now poised to undo Great Society programs. In 1986, Buchanan won the Nobel Prize for his public-choice theory.
But triumph gave way again to disappointment. Not even Reagan could stem the collectivist tide. Public-choice ideas made a differencefor instance in the balanced-budget act sponsored by Senators Philip Gramm, Warren Rudman, and Ernest Hollings in 1985. Buchanans theory found another useful ally in the budget-slasher and would-be government-shrinker David Stockman, who idolized Hayek and declared that politicians were wrecking American capitalism. But Stockman also discovered that restoring capitalism to a purer condition would mean declaring war on Social Security recipients, veterans, farmers, educators, state and local officials, the housing industry. What president was going to do that? Certainly not Reagan. As Stockman reflected, The democracy had defeated the doctrine. That was Buchanans view, too. It wasnt enough to elect true-believing politicians. The rules of government needed to be rewritten. But this required ideal conditionsa blank slate. This had happened once, in Chile, after Augusto Pinochets coup against the socialist Salvador Allende in 1973. A vogue for public choice had swept Pinochets administration. Buchanans books were translated, and some of his acolytes helped restructure Chiles economy. Labor unions were banned, and social security and health care were both privatized. On a week-long visit in 1980, Buchanan gave formal lectures to top representatives of a governing elite that melded the military and the corporate world, MacLean reports, and he dispensed counsel in private conversations. But Buchanan said very little about his part in assisting Chiles reformersand he said very little, too, when the countrys economy cratered, and Pinochet at last fired the Buchananites.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-architect-of-the-radical-right/528672/
crazytown
(7,277 posts)What sort of racket is that? Naked corruption.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)and he has been very critical of Amazons paying zero taxes. They toe the Bezos line when it suits them.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Did you miss this part of your OP?
Your accusation doesn't make much sense in light of your OP....
crazytown
(7,277 posts)The toe the Bezos line to the detriment of progressive candidates like Bernie Sanders.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)Apparently you saw a gotcha! But it got you.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)and you are suggesting Amazon's Zero taxes have nothing to do with it?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)has nothing to do with Bernie's attempt to discredit them?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)BTW - you still haven't answered my question about your opinion of the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)without violating GDs statement of purpose. It's been done to death in Primaries.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that goes on in their organization..
Stating facts about the 2016 primaries doesn't violate anything.
So, we know what your answer is. The rules that you apply to everyone else you don't apply to Senator Sanders. Because REASONS.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I'll leave it at that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)other well known micromanaging public figures who clearly violate the standards you set for WaPO.
That's why you won't answer. You would have to choose between:
discrediting your own 'proof' of Bezos' direction of everything from the top, which is a generalized accusation about micromanagers always giving the orders for everything... and
Damning one of your favorite politicians for the very same.
So you just avoid answering.
But your evasions and attempts to derail that question pretty much say it all.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)you fail to support any of them with objective evidence, merely post hoc fallacies.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Speaking of the topic of "honest brokers" - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their own campaign.
Any ideas?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)(Warren's at the moment the only one I find myself loving unconditionally, and that might change.
And I'm not toeing any line, just doing my civic duty of evaluating the Motley Crue to eventually settle on.
There has to be more evidence that Bezos interfered than, you know, WaPo is insufficiently approving of Sanders.
It would be biased to AVOID criticizing one candidate just because it might "look biased". That is, very likely, how the execrable Trump blundered in-- the MSM felt like they had to treat him with kid gloves perhaps because they loathed him.
But if there's some successful Bezos interference... well, that would be par for the course-- owners and publishers have often interfered when they can in journalism, for good or ill. I remember when Robert McCormick decreed that the Chicago Tribune would now help simplify the English spelling, and editors had to change "through" to "thru" and "though" to "tho."
Benign enough, but I bet there were more brutal interferences.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)The op-ed was not published by the Washington Post and this is not a "WaPo scandal."
Please correct your OP.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)yardwork
(61,538 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)Thank you. I misread the article.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)It now reads as posted in WaPo.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It states that an Amazon company official suggested he write an Op-Ed welcoming them prior to the Arlington County Board meeting.
There are many publications in the area, and he offered it to one, and they published it.
Your headline would not pass muster in any newspaper because it implies things not in the article.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)What a coincidence! Peel me a grape.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Look at a map... or look at the source of your OP.
Your OPed is from the METRO Virginia section of WaPO
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But since you seem to be creating scenarios that are not in the article, maybe you ignored this which is in the article:
Here - you won't even need to click on the link...
crazytown
(7,277 posts)what is the significance of this being a local story? And what has this got to do with Bezos' dirty tricks?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Bezos was involved... and showed nefarious intent. I showed you that WaPo was a newspaper local to the subject of the OP... and now you're embarassed that I shot that part of your conspiracy theory surrounding this down.
Don't be disingenous.
BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)A correction would be "WAPO: Prominent economist offered op-ed to WaPo at Amazon's suggestion. WaPO declined"
As it stands, your headline would be as correct as "Bernie Sanders scandal: Campaign settled a $30,000 harassment lawsuit"
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yardwork
(61,538 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)"Prominent economist wrote op-ed about Amazons new headquarters at companys suggestion"
The idea Amazon would suggest an op-ed without Bezos' imprimatur is absurd.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)Do you really think that Jeff Bezos controls everything the Amazon pr dept dreams up?
If Bezos is that powerful, how did he let his newspaper expose this?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)suggesting op-eds about something as Amazon's new HQ without the owner's knowledge? If you know anything about Amazon, you will know Jeff is a micro-managing control freak.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)exposing this link.
But I'll play your game: So, what in your theory is the reason that Bezos wanted this expose written?
And what about a politician who is known for micromanaging his campaigns saying that they 'didn't know" about a $30,000 harassment settlement against his campaign?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)To get the best possible deal for Amazon's second headquarters. Doh.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)1. Jeff Bezos orders his minions to tell a local professor to write an op-ed to publish in WaPO to influence the Arlington county board - which has already accepted the Amazon offer, for final approval of the benefits package.
2. The professor does.
3. Bezos then orders the Op-ed not to be published in WaPO.
4. Then he orders the WaPO staff to foia the professors emails with Amazon, then publish a story in the WaPO about the lack of transparency that Amazon and the professor showed - thereby giving him 'plausible deniability' for the Op-ed?
For an evil oligharch, he sure isn't very smart, is he?
Wouldn't it have been much more effective to have just skipped a whole bunch of steps to have told him not to offer it to WaPO?
BTW.... you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of a candidate, known for being a micromanager, when they state they "had no idea" that his campaign paide a $30,000 harassment settlement?
Any thoughts? You seem to be in the know about "organ grinders" and "plausible deniability."
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But you believe that someone could write a check for $30,000 dollars from his campaign without his knowledge.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You keep trying to shoehorn this into a sinister narrative that directly involves Bezos.
Would you also say that about the idea a campaign wrote a $30,000 check to settle a harassment suit without the candidate's imprimatur to be absurd as well?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)does not absolve the organ grinder.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)This is the funniest thing I've seen in ages. You are desperate to blame the WaPo for something, aren't you?
This is all about Bernie, isn't it?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I'm no Bernie Bro but I am a stickler for the independence of the fifth estate.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It embellishes in a way that is not supported in the story.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)WaPa have a negative bias against progressives.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Senator Sanders: "I talk about (Amazon's taxes) all of the time ...and then I wonder why The Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos, who owns Amazon, doesn't write particularly good articles about me. I don't know why."
Why indeed? Rocket science not required.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)who just happened to neglect to mention he was an Amazon sock puppet.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)I never said Marty Baron is a liar. No one's recollections are 100% reliable.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/false-memories
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)about the independence of the newsroom.
He states that his newsroom is independent of Bezos' business interests. You state that it's not independent, that the newsroom "toes the line" of Jeff Bezos.
Therefore you're saying that he's lying. Or are you saying that he has no idea what he's doing? Because there's a lot of evidence to the contrary on that.
Again... why should we believe you about the newsroom's independence over editor Marty Baron's statements?
BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You're trying to misrepresent this WaPO expose of a hidden conflict of interest bewteen the Professor and Amazon as somehow being Bezos tellling Amazon to get this OP-ed into WAPO.
And WaPO turned it down.
Amazon suggested that he write tan opinion piece to be published locally to Arlington County prior to a county vote, and this was discovered by a FOIA request of his emails by the WAPO staff.
An actual correction would be to use the title of the article with WaPO: starting it.
But that doesn't push your particular, unsupported narrative that Bezos, and by extension WaPO are not credible when writing about Sanders, because they they don't quash stories that would displease Sanders and his supporters - like the one about the labor dispute his campaign is having.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)has nothing to do with the negative bias against him in WaPo?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to do with his grudge against a pulitzer prize winning publication with Marty Baron at the helm?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This is pushing a false "scandal" that Bezos secretly directed this pro-Amazon op-ed to be written for publication in WaPO, and therefore WAPO can't be trusted to write credible articles on Sanders, after Sanders and then his supporters got upset that WaPO broke the story on the labor dispute in his campaign stafr.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-defends-campaign-salaries-after-post-report-of-labor-dispute-with-unionized-organizers/2019/07/19/c60558ec-aa68-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html
WaPO turned down the OP-ed, which was then offered to another paper, and then the WaPO staff then investigated the ties to Amazon, and published the connection.
This story refutes both your accusations and Sanders' of Bezo's having a hand in what they report.
Marty Baron has far, far more credibility, and he states that Bezos doesn't have any say in what gets reported.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)without the knowledge and sanction of Jeff Bezos. common sense.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)the prof and the Amazon staff?
Are you saying that Marty Baron is a liar? Because essentially, that's your position.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)to your own publication, and one gets under the wire ... mission accomplished. I suggest you read up on what happened to The Times / Sunday Times.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Discrediting the free and credible fifth estate for reporting the facts is something that Trump does, and Russia wants.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Jeff Bezos and Rupert Murdoch are a much closer comparison. Both swore blind that the editorial independence and budget of their revered publications would be completely protected under their benevolent watch.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-bezos-washington-post-1461360
crazytown
(7,277 posts)BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"...[T]he failing New York Times and the Amazon Washington Post do nothing but write bad stories even on very positive achievements - and they will never change!" President Trump tweeted last year.
BTW - you STILL haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Scared to?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)has been done to death in Primaries. It does not belong in GD.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Must have stung...
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-criticizes-washington-post-coverage-baron-responds/1994986001/
BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Afraid it will show a double standard not really consistent with a respect for facts?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)under the weight of the Murdoch empire. Whether Bezos has the time and inclination to really put the screws on WaPo, only time will tell.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts) 1974
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you splain?
Like you haven't splained why Bezos would have allowed the Wapo staff to expose the professor and Amazon, if he's the 'organ grinder" behind the OP getting written?
Or why wapo didn't publish it?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)(and I'm getting tired of harassment)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You seem just fine, and not "tired" at all, especially in the posts where you try to evade answering.
BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Why not simply provide us with objective evidence that would support or strengthen your conclusions, rather than simply making allegations and bumper stickers?
You know... critical thought, the scientific method, the stuff we use to speak with credibility.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even when it's their own foot, and everyone else is pointing that out...
yardwork
(61,538 posts)This thread is hilarious.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)he doesn't have to. Bezos runs Amazon under a climate of fear. Corporate cultures are contagious.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Keep digging...
crazytown
(7,277 posts)yardwork
(61,538 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)Whether Bezos wants to follow that path is up to him. Lining up stooges with bogus op-eds is a promising start.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that Bezos was behind the professor writing the op-ed.
So why do you think that the professor rejected any edits made by the person at Amazon, and was allowed to submit it anyway?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That seems to be the metric.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)yardwork
(61,538 posts)Wouldn't it be more strategic to control the newspaper? In fact, aren't you stating that Bezos is in fact controlling the editorial content of the paper as it pertains to coverage of the Sanders campaign?
And you thought this article - which you admit you misread - proved that the WaPo was caught in an unethical decision, which is why you posted the OP. Except the actual events showed that the Washington Post acted with journalistic integrity in this case, so you.... blame the owner anyway?
This is an example of confirmation bias.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)If you have given guarantees of editorial independence, as Bezos did with The Washington Post, and Murdoch did to The Times / Sunday Times, discretion is the better part of valor.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Why should we believe you and not him?
Got any Pulitzers to share?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)the proof of the pudding will be whether he resigns.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And you are...??
BTW - you still haven't answered my question about the credibility of - or the 'plausible deniability' by someone who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
Any ideas?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I will 1000% believe in Marty's integrity if he resigns.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)who states they 'didn't know' about a $30,000 harassment settlement paid by their campaign.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)directions about what to do about the "$30,000 harassment settlement", but I've said enough.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)the independence of his newsroom?
crazytown
(7,277 posts)You're making my case for me.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even Bernie backpedaled when Marty spoke up.
It looks really bad to just say yes, you think Marty Baron is either lying or being cluelessly "directed" by Bezos, because it really does get right down to the point:
Your conspiracy theories' about Bezos' direction of WaPO to "harm progressives" vs what Marty Baron, celebrated fearless journalist says is independent journalism going on in his newsroom?
Who has more credibility - you or Baron?
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)WaPo did its job (rejected the op ed and actually broke this story). Fuller approached the Amazon PR department. Of course they would want a prominent economist to support their expansion. They are not obligated to report the relationship. Fuller is obligated to disclose it as an academic.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)and the connection to Amazon.
This isn't a scandal.