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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:11 AM Aug 2019

JEFFREY EPSTEIN AUTOPSY FINDS HYOID NECK BONE BREAK, EXPERT SAYS IT RAISES 'QUESTIONS ABOUT STRANGUL

There were reportedly multiple bones broken in Jeffrey Epstein's neck, an autopsy found, including one called the hyoid, which sometimes breaks during strangulation in homicides.

According to The Washington Post, the office of New York City's Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson completed an autopsy of Epstein's body Sunday, but listed the cause of death as pending.

Epstein, 66, was a wealthy, well-connected financier indicted on sex trafficking charges over the alleged abuse of multiple minors for several years. While awaiting trial at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, Epstein died in an apparent suicide by hanging on Saturday.

He had already been found in his cell two weeks previously barely conscious and with marks on his neck in what appeared to be a suicide attempt. He was placed on suicide watch for several days before being taken off, deemed no longer to be a threat to himself.


A New York Times report said the two guards responsible for checking on Epstein every 30 minutes on Saturday had fallen asleep for three hours and then falsified records to cover it up. It appears that during this window Epstein took his own life.

Epstein's death and its curious circumstances triggered conspiracy theories that he was murdered for posing a threat to powerful people he knew, including royalty, former presidents, and celebrities, some of whom are also accused of sexual abuse by his alleged victim

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-neck-hyoid-bone-broken-suicide-homicide-1454457

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JEFFREY EPSTEIN AUTOPSY FINDS HYOID NECK BONE BREAK, EXPERT SAYS IT RAISES 'QUESTIONS ABOUT STRANGUL (Original Post) mfcorey1 Aug 2019 OP
yay all caps! 912gdm Aug 2019 #1
Posted as it was in the article! However, the article is more interesting than the caps. mfcorey1 Aug 2019 #2
I read it a few hours ago.. 912gdm Aug 2019 #3
Bless your heart! I agree if there are other post, one more is too many. I will just leave this mfcorey1 Aug 2019 #4
ROFL malaise Aug 2019 #24
Wowsa, what a rebellious one!... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2019 #11
I just had flashes of "The Odd Couple" Felix Unger Perseus Aug 2019 #20
"I attempted to revive him by putting my hands around his throat and squeezing" struggle4progress Aug 2019 #5
i think he was murdered. barbtries Aug 2019 #6
Is the Trump Corporation buying Del Monte? tymorial Aug 2019 #15
This happens in the USA more than we know Perseus Aug 2019 #22
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. A HANGING/ASPHYXIATION DEATH WITH A HYOID FX? WHO Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #7
LOL. Best post yet on Epstein. Hoyt Aug 2019 #10
Making a noose out of bed sheet and kneeling forward is how he supposedly killed himself. LisaL Aug 2019 #18
Actually, your sarcasm is ill placed elias7 Aug 2019 #25
My thoughts as well The Blue Flower Aug 2019 #26
Yes, the hyoid bone moves. You can even move it side to phylny Aug 2019 #28
I can imagine it now!! Alone, in his cell he takes his hands and begins choking himself to death and cstanleytech Aug 2019 #8
that extra care wasn't taken to keep this guy alive is ridiculous. barr should be certainot Aug 2019 #9
We are not even talking about extra care. The jail didn't even follow the standard protocol of care. LisaL Aug 2019 #17
knowing the stakes and the implications for the victims and law enforcement there certainot Aug 2019 #23
Facts ashredux Aug 2019 #12
"Former presidents"? What about using just "presidents"? Seems sinkingfeeling Aug 2019 #13
I heard he was found hanging/kneeling. This "low hang" typically doesn't break the hyoid. NightWatcher Aug 2019 #14
Exactly. As far as I can tell, he wasn't actually hanging from any height. LisaL Aug 2019 #16
That's what I thought. I doubt there was anything available to him for a "high hang" and, even so, Vinca Aug 2019 #19
I also think successfully hanging yourself takes a lot of skill Beringia Aug 2019 #21
As long as Barr is Donald Trump's shoe shine boy, the chance of the truth coming out......... Firestorm49 Aug 2019 #27
Guard: "I'm just gonna shut my eyes for a few minutes. What could happen?" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2019 #29
How does New York City's Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #30
I'm wondering if Barr ever frequented the ''Lolita'' plane trips. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #31
This was either a negligent clusterfuck of epic proportions, or murder. elocs Aug 2019 #32

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
2. Posted as it was in the article! However, the article is more interesting than the caps.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:24 AM
Aug 2019

Read it! The information is worth your time. PEACE!

912gdm

(959 posts)
3. I read it a few hours ago..
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:26 AM
Aug 2019

on one of the numerous posted threads discussing the same bit of information. But, I look at what's posted so I don't make the same OP, and I defiantly don't post a header in ALL CAPS..


peace.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
4. Bless your heart! I agree if there are other post, one more is too many. I will just leave this
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:33 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:12 AM - Edit history (1)

one here for a little while.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,664 posts)
11. Wowsa, what a rebellious one!...
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:13 AM
Aug 2019

You may be right for you, but I don’t get real defiant over “all caps”, definitely over MAGA caps though.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
20. I just had flashes of "The Odd Couple" Felix Unger
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:40 AM
Aug 2019

I must say that the headline contents, the news that it provides was what caught my eye...funny, didn't realize it was in uppercase, thanks for pointing it out, not that it matters, but funny how little things like that miss the eye...

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
22. This happens in the USA more than we know
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:44 AM
Aug 2019

This is not exclusive of Banana Republics...but it does support many of the theories surrounding his death. I personally don't believe he committed suicide. Didn't someone try to kill him earlier and they also attributed it to "possible suicide attempt"? People like Epstein are too much in love with themselves, they are usually cowards who will not even think of suicide.

Maru Kitteh

(28,326 posts)
7. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. A HANGING/ASPHYXIATION DEATH WITH A HYOID FX? WHO
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:28 AM
Aug 2019

COULD HAVE POSSIBLY GUESSED SUCH A THING? IT'S SO CRAZY SUSPICIOUS THAT AN ASPHYXIATION DEATH WOULD, YOU KNOW - HAVE ACTUAL SIGNS OF ASPHYXIATION???????? MAYBE THEY TOOK HIS BODY DOUBLE TO AREA 51, TOO!!!!!!!!

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
18. Making a noose out of bed sheet and kneeling forward is how he supposedly killed himself.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:34 AM
Aug 2019

So of course multiple bone breaks in the neck (which would take a lot of force) don't raise any suspicions. All righty then.

elias7

(3,991 posts)
25. Actually, your sarcasm is ill placed
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:07 AM
Aug 2019

The hyoid would not break without significant force, ie being dropped from a height in a hanging or from strangulation by someone else’s hands. Self-hanging from a low height or leaning kneel would not likely cause this injury. It is suspicious.

The Blue Flower

(5,434 posts)
26. My thoughts as well
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:31 AM
Aug 2019

Cutting off the flow of air through the windpipe in itself doesn't break the hyoid.

phylny

(8,368 posts)
28. Yes, the hyoid bone moves. You can even move it side to
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:11 AM
Aug 2019

side by yourself if you know where it is.

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
8. I can imagine it now!! Alone, in his cell he takes his hands and begins choking himself to death and
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:45 AM
Aug 2019

in the struggle he breaks his own neck leading to his death and then he stages it as suicide.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
9. that extra care wasn't taken to keep this guy alive is ridiculous. barr should be
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:51 AM
Aug 2019

responsible for not arranging that in the beginning but good luck to us on that.

epstien would have been told by his lawyers he was going to jail for life and might have gotten to play tennis if he squealed - but if he did squeal someone would eventually strangle him. so he had plenty to kill himself over.

on the other hand, if the message sent by those who arranged whitey bulger's murder wasn't enough, all the uncertainty on epstien will help keep others quiet.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
17. We are not even talking about extra care. The jail didn't even follow the standard protocol of care.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:28 AM
Aug 2019

Not checking on him every 30 minutes as they were supposed to, leaving him alone in the cell without a cellmate.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
23. knowing the stakes and the implications for the victims and law enforcement there
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:45 AM
Aug 2019

should have been a few extra people to monitor the monitors

ashredux

(2,599 posts)
12. Facts
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:13 AM
Aug 2019

Facts:

1. Bill Barr is connected to Jeffrey Epstein via his father.
2. The Florida newspaper started running their stories about the old Epstein’s case in Nov. 2018
3. The entire sordid mess is back.
4. Bill Barr’s “audition”memo to Trump for the job of Attorney General in June 2018
5. After Bill Barr becomes attorney general, Jeffrey Epstein gets arrested and put in jail.
6. Now Jeffrey Epstein is dead with Broken Bones in his neck!

Folks....a lot of Dots popping up

sinkingfeeling

(51,438 posts)
13. "Former presidents"? What about using just "presidents"? Seems
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:16 AM
Aug 2019

like deliberate wording to support RW conspiracy.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. I heard he was found hanging/kneeling. This "low hang" typically doesn't break the hyoid.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:18 AM
Aug 2019

Hyoids break with force. A low hang also is more like a suffocation than a typical hanging where force of falling and snatching into the ligature break smaller neck bones and strangle the victim.

This argues against a self strangulation "low hang"

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
16. Exactly. As far as I can tell, he wasn't actually hanging from any height.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:27 AM
Aug 2019

From the reports I have read, he was kneeling forward with the noose made out of bed sheet.
So we are not talking about your regular hanging suicide. Yet multiple bones were broken in his neck?

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
19. That's what I thought. I doubt there was anything available to him for a "high hang" and, even so,
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:39 AM
Aug 2019

I heard the ceiling was only 8 ft. high. The autopsy makes the death more suspicious than before.

Firestorm49

(4,030 posts)
27. As long as Barr is Donald Trump's shoe shine boy, the chance of the truth coming out.........
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:55 AM
Aug 2019

is about as likely as seeing the unredacted Mueller report.

There was a post on DU about a prisoner who “heard” Barr was at the prison prior to Epstein’s untimely demise, and that other prisoners were removed from the block during the encounter. Is there any media that would be inclined to check this out? It sounds like BS but is it worth investigating?

29. Guard: "I'm just gonna shut my eyes for a few minutes. What could happen?"
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:59 AM
Aug 2019

1. Falling asleep on the job - bad.

2. Falling asleep on the job when a prisoner kills himself - worse.

3. Falling asleep on the job when the highest profile prisoner in America kills himself - priceless.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
30. How does New York City's Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:00 AM
Aug 2019

know whose was the body she performed this autopsy on? Who identified it?

elocs

(22,550 posts)
32. This was either a negligent clusterfuck of epic proportions, or murder.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:06 AM
Aug 2019

But I'm betting the death will be ruled suicide and Epstein's body will be quickly cremated.

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