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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:53 PM Aug 2019

Occam's Razor: If there are two explanations for an occurrence,

the one that requires the least speculation is usually correct. Put another way, the more assumptions you have to make in order to explain an occurrence, the more unlikely that explanation is to be true.

Something to think about.

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Occam's Razor: If there are two explanations for an occurrence, (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 OP
I'm glad to know nocoincidences Aug 2019 #1
Well, in some cases that is so... Newest Reality Aug 2019 #2
Good post empedocles Aug 2019 #6
Bookmarked PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #7
But with today's knowledge Occam's razor turns Ockhams argument against itself. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #9
So trump won fair and square? NightWatcher Aug 2019 #3
That doesn't really fit. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #8
The obvious has the advantage. lunatica Aug 2019 #4
You got it. marble falls Aug 2019 #5

nocoincidences

(2,218 posts)
1. I'm glad to know
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:56 PM
Aug 2019

that I am not the only one who tests ideas against Occam's Razor.

If you hear the thunder of hoofbeats, don't assume zebras are coming.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. Well, in some cases that is so...
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:19 PM
Aug 2019

But, if it is misunderstood, it can lead to oversimplification. Methinks that we have all too much of that already. It has been used by theists to support their ideas, i.e., since God is the simplest explanation for the origin of the Universe and life, then that must be true.

Our investigation into life and nature often reveals more and more complexity and depth. We try to utilize linear concepts and language to interpret that, and that's fine, but it is subject to our methods, instruments and the nature of our language/concepts. On a microcosmic scale, you could say that the number of variables in any given situation is actually a potentially infinite amount and the real nature of that interrelationship is beyond sequential, linear thinking and processes, so yes, simplicity has its place, but it really proves to not be a maxim to be taken too far or out of context.

I am not necessarily refuting your point, but I do think the essence of the concept may be more complex than that, pun intended. It may still have some philosophical value, but further investigation shows that the Razor can cut both ways.

However, I agree that simplicity has an elegance and usefulness if you put the emphasis on "the number of assumptions" and the word "unlikely" as per your statement.

Theories with the fewest assumptions are often preferred to those positing more, a heuristic often called "Occam's razor." This kind of argument has been used on both sides of the creationism vs. evolution debate (is natural selection or divine creation the more parsimonious theory?) and in at least one reductio ad absurdum argument against religion. Simple theories have many advantages: they are often falsifiable or motivate various predictions, and can be easily communicated as well as widely understood.


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So where did Occam's Razor go wrong?

Occam's Razor is actually a vestigial remnant of medieval science. It is literally a historical artifact: William of Ockham employed this principle in his own 13th century work on divine omnipotence and other topics "resistant" to scientific methods. The continuing use of parsimony in modern science is an atavistic practice equivalent to a cardiologist resorting to bloodletting when heart medication doesn't work.

And it is in the life sciences where Occam's razor cuts most sharply in the wrong direction, for at least three reasons.

1) First, life itself is a fascinating example of nature's penchant for complexity. If parsimony applies anywhere, it is not here.

2) Second, evolution doesn't design organisms as an engineer might - instead, organisms carry their evolutionary history along with them, advantages and disadvantages alike (your appendix is the price you pay for all your inherited immunity to disease). Thus life appears to result from a cascading "complexifying" process - an understanding of organisms at the macroscale will be anything but simple.

3) Third, we know that the even the simplest rules of life (click the button at the upper left, labelled "Enjoy Life" ) can give rise to intractable complexity. Unless you're a biophysicist, the mechanisms at your preferred level of analysis are likely to be incredibly heterogenous and complex, even at their simplest.


https://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2007/05/14/why-the-simplest-theory-is-alm

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
7. Bookmarked
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:50 PM
Aug 2019

Best explanation of Occam's Razor I've read yet---particularly its origin in justifying religious precepts---which, ironically, I suspect people wielding the razor wouldn't actually agree with. Thanks!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
9. But with today's knowledge Occam's razor turns Ockhams argument against itself.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:54 PM
Aug 2019

Today there we have countless examples of physical evidence that supports the theory that life as we know it occurred thru evolution.

Creationism, like all good conspiracy theories depends on an unprovable theory backed up by no evidence, the existence of some mysterious all powerful being shaping everything on earth.

His theory does not necessarily mean the easiest to understand, but the most likely based on the evidence at hand.

Maybe I am missing something. It been 30+ years since I studied evolution, which my degree demanded a sound knowledge of or philosophy which I only took one course for kicks and grins. It was an interesting elective.

But when I apply Occam’s razor to the beginning of life evolution wins hands down.



TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
8. That doesn't really fit.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:37 PM
Aug 2019

Based on the available evidence, the most-direct conclusion would be that Russia interfered with the election, as the evidence shows and Mueller confirmed. No speculation required.

It would be more complicated to conclude that there was no interference because one would have to explain away all of the evidence to the contrary.

So, from an Occam's Razor perspective, the former would be the more likely.

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