A guest on AMJoy stated that the medical examiner in the Epstein case presented...

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a summary report similar to Barr's summary of the Mueller Report.

He contends that her report does not end questions of the matter and what's needed now is a toxicology report of the contents of Epstein's stomach and a dna report from finger nail scrapings, along with other evidence.

And so it continues.

[Kid Berwyn]

1. Some jail staffers not cooperating with DOJ investigation into Epstein suicide, source says

From “Fox News”

Personnel at the New York City prison where accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide last week have not been initially cooperative with investigators from the Department of Justice, a federal source told Fox News Friday.

Attorney General William Barr sent two senior DOJ officials to personally visit the Metropolitan Correctional Center and speak with staff from the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) in order to gather information on Epstein's death after Barr said officials uncovered "serious irregularities" at the jail, a senior DOJ official told Fox News. The officials have been on site since Thursday and the FBI and the Justice Department's inspector general are investigating conditions at the MCC.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/prison-personnel-refuse-to-cooperate-with-doj-investigators-digging-into-epstein-suicide.amp

[qazplm135]

2. DNA scrapings aren't definitive

you can pick up DNA, even under the nails, easier than you think.
If he was choked, his stomach contents aren't going to tell us much.

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3. The idea of the stomach contents is maybe he was poisoned. DNA scrapings...

I would think would be normal procedure in an autopsy so why not divulge them? Epstein's cellmate is said to be a suspect in four murders and it is suspected that the earlier, alleged suicide attempt of Epstein was actually an assault by this guy.

Doesn't seem unreasonable to ask to see reports from routine autopsy procedures.

[qazplm135]

4. then why would his hyroid bone be broken

that's consistent with either hanging or choking, not poisoning.

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7. I'm not saying the bone wasn't broken but I would think all bases should be covered.

I mean with so many wanting this guy dead, a poisoning before hand then an alleged hanging to cover it up...

I mean how the hell did he get cloth sheets strong enough to hang himself with when paper sheets are called for with suicidal inmates?

I don't trust or believe anything coming from anything Barr has anything to do with.

[qazplm135]

17. I mean why would you poison him?

If you are choking him to death?

You can't kill him twice and you are just leaving evidence that it was a murder behind.

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19. Just make sure all bases are covered. Show the tox report and nail scrapings.

Why even object? Do you trust Barr? If he said it was raining I'd check to see if someone was pissing on my boots.

[qazplm135]

22. it's not about trusting Barr

It's about logic and common sense.

You don't need to "cover your bases" if you are actively killing him by choking him. Just choke him til he's dead. Bases covered.
Injecting poison just leaves evidence that he was murdered vice committed suicide.
You aren't "covering any bases" you are dropping a giant red flag.

He wasn't on suicide watch so he had normal sheets. Having normal sheets means you can hang yourself.
Which, ya know, is why they take those sheets away when you are on suicide watch.

Just because he's dead doesn't mean the evidence goes away or the investigations necessarily stop.

And if he had something against Trump, that was a card he would have played immediately.

[triron]

23. I think the other poster has made his point. btw logic should be based on evidence

not the other way around.

[qazplm135]

24. I have no idea what this post even means

there is no evidence he was poison, there is no logic to poisoning him.

There is evidence he died by strangulation.

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25. Why object to tox and dna reports? If there's nothing in them display them. Simple.

Cover all bases and dispel all rumors and conspiracy theories.

[qazplm135]

27. because they are a waste of time

and I don't believe in having a coroner run tests just to "dispel rumors and conspiracy theories"

People still believe the moon landing was faked.

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28. Waste of time? There's plenty of time. The guy is dead. Dispel all rumors and CTs.

How long does it take to release a tox and dna report?

[qazplm135]

30. riiight

because the conspiracy theorists will totally believe a tox and DNA report.

Oh the government said he wasn't poisoned? Great.

I'm sorry, but I don't want the government catering to conspiracy nuts.

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31. You're not making sense.

[qazplm135]

32. lol

So it doesn't make sense to you that:

A broken bone in his neck means he died by strangulation either by choking or by hanging
That poisoning someone after you choked them to make it look like a suicide is astronomically stupid
Testing for said putative poison (where there are no signs of poisoning by the way) is an absolute waste of time

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you then other than you are wedded to a conspiracy theory.

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33. As I said, you're not making sense. A reason for the tox report is that he may...

have been poisoned BEFORE and alleged hanging/strangulation which would break the neck bone, could be a cover of a possible poisoning. GET IT FINALLY?

And the dna report to see if he struggled and scratch a possible stangler.

Any autopsy report would include those things so I don't get at all why you're so against releasing that information.

[qazplm135]

34. lmao

then WHY strangle him?
If you can reach him and strangle him and kill him, then WHY poison him?

It's ridiculous.

Any autopsy report would NOT include those things because an autopsy looks for what there is evidence for.

Heck, let's check to see if he was drowned first. Or injected with air to cause a heart attack. Or maybe he was electrocuted first.
We don't have any evidence for any of that stuff either, but heck, let's check it all.

Maybe a deadly insect or snake was introduced...we should check for that too.

Poisoning usually leaves signs on the body by the way. It leaves discoloration, or other reactions.

You just picked poisoning because it seems like super secret spy stuff and you think/believe he was killed so that's where you jump to. Not because there is a rational or logical reason to test for something there is no evidence for.

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35. Like I said, you're not making sense. And Newsflash: you test to GET evidence.

I'm done.

[qazplm135]

36. no you test if you have a reason to

you don't test just cuz maybe, what the heck.

[blogslut]

18. He was not on suicide watch

He was alone in a two-person cell with regular sheets and a bunk bed.

Jeffrey Epstein is dead because of gross negligence on the part of the DOJ, prison administrators, overworked staff and shitty defense lawyers.

[still_one]

5. What is wrong Joy, not getting enough attention that you have compare the ME to Barr

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12385118

Ever since Joy LIED about her homophobic tweets, she has very little credibility in my book

[True Blue American]

6. Joy wasn't on this morning.

That is why I watched part of the show

[still_one]

9. It was the guest on the show. I am aware. Appreciate the clarification. Not sure

who decides on the guests though

A more probable scenario is that Epstein was given the opportunity for suicide, not any cover up by the ME

[True Blue American]

10. I do not watch Joy

For the reason you stated, plus her blatant racism.

The host was one I like, but do not remember his name.

[still_one]

11. Still I appreciate the information that she wasn't part of the program

[True Blue American]

12. Thank you.

[jcgoldie]

13. blatant racism?

[True Blue American]

14. That is what I posted.

I have not watched her since she insisted on interviewing Harris while Warren was speaking. The only one I did not get to hear. Elizabeth was speaking in the background. The only one that happened to. And their are many other instances.

You think that charge does not go both ways? If so I disagree. I have no use for racists or race baiters.

[jcgoldie]

15. No I dont think it goes both ways

But a lot of republicans do.

[still_one]

16. Because of her past anti-gay positions. While it "racisim" may not have been the best description

bigoted and prejudice toward gays would be

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8. Give it a rest. There was a substitute host today so don't even try it.

[cwydro]

40. Me too. Not a fan of Joy.

A liar at best. A homophobe at worst.

[Takket]

20. "summary report similar to Barr's summary of the Mueller Report. "

not sure who this "guest" was but that statement is LOADED. it clearly implies the ME had nefarious intent in the report she issued and I find that statement incredibly undeserved and distasteful.

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21. He was one of the regular guests. He made no bones about it that he thought the ME report...

was similar to Barr's summary of the Mueller report which immediately prompted calls for back-up evidence.

He called for back-up evidence—tox and dna reports.

[Baltimike]

26. and where's the tape? Multiple gaurds are suddenlt sleeping for hours? Where's THEIR drug test? nt

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29. Right. And where's their financial reports? Any recent large sum activity?

[ancianita]

37. Video footage. Where's the video footage. Preet Bharara said it had to exist. As in HAD.

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38. i hear you.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. I don't think it's a coverup unless actual evidence is presented

but I do think confusion is a leading method of obfuscation, so hope they are on the lookout for things that are incongruous.

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41. I don't think things are as obvious as is being presented either.

[triron]

44. Agree. People are afraid fo evidence gathering cause it might 'confuse' things I guess.

[Hoyt]

42. Yeah, I saw that BS too. Lot of people invested in the conspiracy theory

looking for a way to keep it going.

[bonniebgood]

43. Who controlled the keys to the jail cell? Barr and Trump. The guards were suddenly

asleep for hours, the cameras were suddenly turned off, the cellmate was removed, the suicide watch was taken off. /
I personally don't believe he's DEAD. if he is dead then
ask Barr and Trump, the two at the highest levels that had the most to lose, under oath, better yet, under water boarding enhanced interrogation methods.

[stillcool]

45. it's bullsh*t...

when you have right-wing-extremists...like Barr and trump... coming out of the gate with excuses,..including hauling out Bill Clinton and accusing him of murder, somethings not copacetic. They've obviously covered up a bunch of crap in their lifetimes, but they don't seem to have gotten better at it. I guess they don't need to. We'll never know what happened. Yet people will swear by the public version, and call anyone who disagrees a wacko-conspiracy-theorist. I've read the book so many times.

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46. My take on it too.