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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumssomething we need to hear from every Democrat.
Every Democrat running for every office - at least on the national level.
What will you do if/when a Democratic president is sworn in in January 2021? Will you pardon Trump, or decline to pursue further investigations of his administration? Or will you allow due process to continue at the federal level and, if appropriate, allow the Department of Justice to bring legal proceedings against him?
Do we "look ahead" and not dwell on the past? Or do we learn from that past?
This is ESPECIALLY true for those Democrats seeking the party's nomination for the presidential election, but it also holds for those running for Senate or HR seats.
In my opinion, our country has suffered from well-intended efforts to "move forward" and "not look back." Ford pardoned Nixon. Bush the 1st decided not to pursue accountability over Iran-Contra. (He was probably neck-deep in it himself.) Obama dropped further investigation of the Bush the 2nd administration's warmongering in Iraq. No one really followed up when revelations were made about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Nixon's deliberate derailing of peace efforts in 1968, or any of the other myriad scandals that were discovered years after they were revealed. It was all so much "let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."
The rationale was always "we should move forward." Dwelling on the past was seen as harmful and not productive.
Iran-Contra happened because of Watergate. The Iraq War happened because of Iran-Contra. Every day, we're seeing the current administration wipe its dripping anus with the US Constitution because so much latitude was given to Trump's predecessors. People in high positions broke the law, and there weren't consequences.
We need to hear this from every Democrat running for office - there will be no amnesty without accountability. Our country will not survive if we keep allowing bygones to be bygones.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)When politicians decide to overlook crimes, the criminals continue to commit crimes.
Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)However, they were not, and the GOP felt emboldened.
Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)tclambert
(11,080 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The US holds itself above outside scrutiny.
FakeNoose
(32,349 posts)Talitha
(6,477 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Republicans MUST face consequences for their criminal and un-American actions.
It was a huge mistake to avoid prosecuting for torture. That was about the most un-American action you could imagine.
What I propose: start with undoing the Trump judges. For every Trump judge appoint 2 normal judges. Undo trump.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,484 posts)Have the new AG of The US indict Donald Trump for crimes committed while in Office, prosecuted by AG Kamala Harris(if she is not VP).
Also indict one William Barr for covering up and lies while AG.
Get all of Trump's financials and go over them with a fine toothed comb for Russian connections related to the 2016 Election.
Shut down the Trump Organization for thorough investigation for Tax Evasion, RICO, and other crimes.
The underlying message is clear. Trump is scared of losing, going to jail, and losing everything he thinks he has amassed before and during his tenure as a POS POTUS.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)dchill
(38,321 posts)But will it? Could it?
MyOwnPeace
(16,887 posts)from the past. Yes, it started with the Nixon problems. Draw the line there and we don't have the others.
It truly is time to make it stop - and we've never had such an urgent mandate to make it happen of behalf of the US Constitution and the integrity of the United States of America.
This is not a "sex" scandal - we laugh at how Italy and France handles the lack of discretion in their political scandals, and yet we have corrupt leaders lining their pockets and allowing corporate leaders rape our workers and system.
We have a foreign policy that is supporting the corporate mission - make money and to hell with anything else.
THIS MUST STOP!
THEY MUST PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS!
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Hear that, Nancy?!?!
dlk
(11,433 posts)With unprecedented levels of corruption, especially Trump & his swamp cronies, we are experiencing the logical consequences of giving them a pass.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)"Uh ... Sorry"
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Each one worse than the last. It's time to put a stop to this nonsense.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)NNadir
(33,368 posts)...under assault since Ford pardoned Nixon.
Trump is, of course an entirely new level of criminal. If any President deserves to die in prison, he would be it.
seta1950
(932 posts)Nixon got away with it , Reagan got away with it, W. Got away with it, thats why republicans keep doing it ,they know Democrats are not going to pursue, that has to end trump has to pay, for the harm hes doing to this country.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)And he needs treatment where the dokkktors, the best ones, the best, *ahem*, can help him.
maxsolomon
(32,986 posts)Let them keep their strategy private. Keep the Sociopath paranoid and guessing.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I want to see more attitudes like Rashida's ( "We're going to impeach the motherfucker!" ) but the Dems have been trying to tame and neuter The Squad.
Don't think we can expect much.