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Iceland's Prime Minister Says She'll Skip Mike Pence's Visit.... (Original Post) HipChick Aug 2019 OP
Excellent Choice! Newest Reality Aug 2019 #1
I can name that word within 3 tweets GusBob Aug 2019 #2
Yup.. HipChick Aug 2019 #4
Any decent world leader should do this... Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #3
I can see Trump threatening to make the G7 the G5 HipChick Aug 2019 #5
We have the best president rubles can buy Rollo Aug 2019 #6
She's not only a woman, but an attractive one NastyRiffraff Aug 2019 #7
Maybe that's the problem. Mother saw her photo The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #8
Creepy manly urges. LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #9
I suspect Pence of having an extensive, exotic and disturbing porn collection. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #10
Girls or would it be guys in cat costumes? LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #12
I'm thinking more along the lines of B&D stuff The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #18
Someone that calls their wife 'mother' is already sick. Gross. No wonder Indiania got rid of ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #13
Stop, just stop with this "mother" stuff Boomer Aug 2019 #15
It was common in my family too, in New England. Chemisse Aug 2019 #17
I heard it in my family, too, although it was used in a jokey way. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #19
I'm from the midwest with parents born in the 1930's LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #20
Common is not universal Boomer Aug 2019 #25
It was never used in our family either dflprincess Aug 2019 #26
Your mother has good instincts Boomer Aug 2019 #29
No... lame54 Aug 2019 #23
No, I am not going to stop and this is my opinion, and if you don't like it, fine. I'll always... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #28
You win the thread malaise Aug 2019 #11
I highly doubt his many urges would come into play here. Neema Aug 2019 #27
Hillary Swank could play her lame54 Aug 2019 #22
she was in a video as the main actress for Bang Gang's (an Icelandic Alt Pop band) first single Celerity Aug 2019 #24
What the heck is Norman doing in Iceland anyway? paleotn Aug 2019 #14
I think she needs to wash her hair that day. n/t MrModerate Aug 2019 #16
In Iceland will she even know he's there lame54 Aug 2019 #21

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Excellent Choice!
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 04:44 PM
Aug 2019

Don't encourage Mother's Q-Tip. He tends to lie an awful lot, anyway. And he thinks of the Handmaiden's Tale as an exciting and practical idea for the future of America. We wouldn't want to encourage that, now would we?

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
3. Any decent world leader should do this...
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 04:45 PM
Aug 2019

our bullshit excuses for political leadership should be pariahs.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
7. She's not only a woman, but an attractive one
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 04:53 PM
Aug 2019

Pence would be scared to meet with her. Mother wouldn't approve.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
8. Maybe that's the problem. Mother saw her photo
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 05:09 PM
Aug 2019

and is afraid Mike wouldn't be able to control his manly urges.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
13. Someone that calls their wife 'mother' is already sick. Gross. No wonder Indiania got rid of ...
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 06:45 PM
Aug 2019

Pence...got tired of hearing someone call their wife 'mother'...this is so gross I am just about to throw up.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
15. Stop, just stop with this "mother" stuff
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 07:00 PM
Aug 2019

Believe me, as a gay woman, I'm no fan of Mike Pence, but I'm really getting tired of everyone getting their knickers in a twist over Pence's use of the term "Mother" to refer to his wife.

This is a common Midwestern tradition, or at least it was at one time. I belong to the generation that heard this usage often. There's a certain degree of sexism involved, because it was mostly women's names that were exchanged in favor "Mother" or "Ma". It quite literally became her name within the family circle.

I also saw this time tradition among my Mexican grandparents, where "Mamita" became my grandmother's name -- used by everyone around her, including my grandfather, her husband.

I get that to younger people today this seems strange, and it's not a tradition I'm sorry to lose, but it's not some flagrant sign of perversion. Although I'm pretty damn sure Mike Pence's closet has plenty of those.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
17. It was common in my family too, in New England.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 07:15 PM
Aug 2019

It starts when the babies are born and you want them to call the parents Mom & Dad, so the parents call each other that - and then it just never ends.

My mother, who is 84, still calls my father Dad, although it shifted to Grampa for a number of years when my kids were growing up.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
19. I heard it in my family, too, although it was used in a jokey way.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019

It doesn't bother me that Pence calls his wife "Mother," but it is disturbing that he won't be alone with any woman unless she's there too. Does he worry about not being able to control his urges unless "Mother" is present to remind Little Mike to stay behind the zipper? That's weird.

LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
20. I'm from the midwest with parents born in the 1930's
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:16 PM
Aug 2019

Mother was not used for my mother or grandmother by the spouses.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
25. Common is not universal
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 10:41 PM
Aug 2019

I'm not claiming every single family in the Midwest did this, but it was common. My parents never did this, but I heard it in other households and my wife's parents did follow that pattern.

I get that by modern standards it may sound odd, and I'm not attached keeping it, but it's not a sign of Pence being emotionally disturbed. There are plenty of other symptoms that merit some scrutiny (can we say "closet case"?), but this one habit of his isn't nearly as weird as a lot of people seem to think.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
26. It was never used in our family either
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 10:56 PM
Aug 2019

the closest it might have come is when my father might say to my brother or me "Ask Mom", but usually it would have been "Ask your mother."

We had neighbors where the husband called his wife mother. I recall Pop saying something about it to Mom and then adding "Maybe I should start calling you Mother." Mumsie, who was working on dinner at the time, turned around with a very sharp knife in her hand and said "Why don't you try it & see what happens." -- Then they both laughed. It wasn't until I was older & figured out where she'd been pointing the knife that I understood their whole exchange.

And yes, I called my father "Pop". Something my nieces & nephews find endlessly amusing.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
29. Your mother has good instincts
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:16 PM
Aug 2019

I'm not surprised that Pence uses it, because he's so deep into "Christian" values that deify men, with women reduced to their role. And that's essentially what that naming does: it erases a woman's identify as a human being separate from her family role.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
28. No, I am not going to stop and this is my opinion, and if you don't like it, fine. I'll always...
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 03:28 PM
Aug 2019

be against the use of this word in this manner and by the way, I've lived in the country, in small towns, and in large cities, and this term was always viewed in a neg. manner.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
27. I highly doubt his many urges would come into play here.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:55 AM
Aug 2019

I think there's a really convenient reason he doesn't "allow himself" to be alone with women.

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