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Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 01:19 PM Aug 2019

remarkable essay on our concentration camps vis a vis Germany

Shared on FB, credited to Quora.

'FROM QUORA - This photo [of men and women guards dancing and playing accordion] was taken sometime between May and December 1944. These people are enjoying a bit of “down time” before going back to work. At Auschwitz.

Not because I think what we’re doing is like what the Nazis were doing in 1944, but because this looks so normal. These people didn’t think of themselves as “evil,” any more than the people chanting at the Trump rally do.

Here’s the point: the Holocaust didn’t drop out of a clear blue sky in 1941. The concentration camps had been operating since 1933.

The first people sent to the camps weren’t Jews at all. It was socialists, communists (remember that if you run across someone who tries to claim the Nazis were actually socialists), Jehovah’s Witnesses (because their faith prevented them from swearing allegiance to the Reich or serving in the military), homosexuals, and other people considered “socially deviant.” The camps weren’t awful places in 1933. Guards who abused prisoners were disciplined and sometimes prosecuted.

By 1935, this changed. As Hitler consolidated power, he pardoned the guards who had been convicted for abusing prisoners and made it clear that that behavior was now acceptable. Jews were now sent to the camps, starting with ones who had come to “civilized” Germany as refugees from pogroms in Eastern Europe. They were described as “invaders,” accused of spreading disease and stealing jobs from Germans. I understand if that last sentence sent a bit of a chill down your spine.

There were dozens, probably hundreds of concentration camps in operation by 1937. Many prisoners died there from abuse or simply from being worked to death, but they still weren’t places people were specifically sent to die; it was just that no one cared whether they died or not.

By 1939, mass killings of Jews had started. Not in the camps; the Nazis weren’t bothering to round people up and transport them just to kill them. They would typically be rounded up by the Nazi army and shot en masse and buried in mass graves.

Mass killings of civilians proved to be bad for morale even for Nazi soldiers, which led to the Final Solution. Eight extermination camps were built and went into operation by 1941. None were in Germany proper, so the scale of what was happening could be more easily kept from the German people. Six were in Poland, one in Serbia, and one in Belarus. Some (like Birkenau, sometimes called Auschwitz II) were on the same site as concentration camps (Auschwitz), and some (like Treblinka) were completely separate. Most were in Poland because that was where the largest number of Jews in Europe lived.

These women worked as typists, telegraph clerks, and secretaries in Auschwitz, and were called Helferinnen, which means ‘helpers.’ Their racial purity had been established—should an officer be looking for a girlfriend or a wife, the Helferinnen were intended to be a “resource.”

The point of these photos is that the Nazis were not all Eichmann and Mengele. Their horror was possible because of the many, many people who went along with what they were doing or at least were willing to look the other way. And it didn’t start with Chelmno and Sobibor. It started with people being willing to vote for Nazis out of fear of the communists and responding to their appeals to “true Germans.”

This photo shows people reading the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer (The Attacker) in 1935. The sign above it reads “The Jews Are Our Misfortune”.

How far, really, are people who would chant “send her back” about an American citizen at a political rally from the people calmly reading that newspaper? Remember, that was still four years before the war, six before the extermination camps. It was when the groundwork for those things was being laid.

Let’s talk about our camps for a moment. Pro Publica recently published a long story about someone who works for the Border Patrol and spent time working at one of the camps. Here are a couple of excerpts:

The Border Patrol agent, a veteran with 13 years on the job, had been assigned to the agency’s detention center in McAllen, Texas, for close to a month when the team of court-appointed lawyers and doctors showed up one day at the end of June.

Taking in the squalor, the stench of unwashed bodies, and the poor health and vacant eyes of the hundreds of children held there, the group members appeared stunned.

Then, their outrage rolled through the facility like a thunderstorm. One lawyer emerged from a conference room clutching her cellphone to her ear, her voice trembling with urgency and frustration. “There’s a crisis down here,” the agent recalled her shouting.

At that moment, the agent, a father of a 2-year-old, realized that something in him had shifted during his weeks in the McAllen center. “I don’t know why she’s shouting,” he remembered thinking. “No one on the other end of the line cares. If they did, this wouldn’t be happening.”

No one on the other end cares. If they did, this wouldn’t be happening. Let that sink in for a moment.

The CBP agent in the story is in his late 30s, a husband and father who served overseas in the military before joining CBP.

It’s kind of like torture in the army. It starts out with just sleep deprivation, then the next guys come in and sleep deprivation is normal, so they ramp it up. Then the next guys ramp it up some more, and then the next guys, until you have full blown torture going on. That becomes the new normal.

This is how it happens. Step by step, we become the monsters. Look around the country. Try to remember how things were in 2012 or so. How many things that are simply accepted now, often with a “what can we do about it?” shrug, would have seemed possible then?

Referring back to the grim conditions inside the Border Patrol holding centers, he said: “Somewhere down the line people just accepted what’s going on as normal. That includes the people responsible for fixing the problems.”

“What happened to me in Texas is that I realized I had walled off my emotions so I could do my job without getting hurt,” he said. “I’d see kids crying because they want to see their dads, and I couldn’t console them because I had 500 to 600 other kids to watch over and make sure they’re not getting in trouble. All I could do was make sure they’re physically OK. I couldn’t let them see their fathers because that was against the rules.

“I might not like the rules,” he added. “I might think that what we’re doing wasn’t the correct way to hold children. But what was I going to do? Walk away? What difference would that make to anyone’s life but mine?”

When asked whether he simply stopped caring, he said: “Exactly, to a point that’s kind of dangerous. But once you do, you feel better.”

This man is a father. He watches hundreds of kids. He had to stop caring in order to do his job.

Let’s say that again: he had to stop caring in order to do his job.

Just like, I imagine, the Helferinnen had to stop caring. To look the other way. To learn helplessness against the system.

I know, there are a thousand reasons why we can’t change this. They broke the laws. The President says so. What will we do with all of them if we don’t do this? It will encourage others if we don’t do this.

Know this: those are all justifying inhuman behavior. I’m not saying the people running the camps or the people in the government are Nazis; every historical moment is different. But they’re using many of the same tools the Nazis used. And the same tools are being used against the Uighur in China. And the Rohingya in Myanmar.

Andrea Pitzer is a journalist who has written extensively about the history of concentration camps. Here’s what she had to say on Twitter this morning:

When I went into the Rohingya camps in Myanmar in 2015, I also talked to people in town who were happy their former neighbors were in camps. Insisting they weren't racist or bigots, many said all they really wanted was for the government to deport the Rohingya to another country.

They claimed the Rohingya were illegal immigrants, rapists, and terrorists. If I mentioned a Rohingya they actually knew, they would sometimes acknowledge maybe *that* Rohingya person wasn't a criminal. They often argued that the Rohingya should be deported as a group anyway.

It was heartbreaking. I was there just after Trump had declared his candidacy in the US, and it was the same rhetoric, almost word for word. A little over a year later in Myanmar, the military drove hundreds of thousands of Rohingya over the border amid terrible atrocities.

Send her back. Send them back. We’re really not racists. Jews will not replace us.

Do you honestly believe it can’t happen here?'

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remarkable essay on our concentration camps vis a vis Germany (Original Post) Grasswire2 Aug 2019 OP
K r pangaia Aug 2019 #1
KR Rohingya Genocide: appalachiablue Aug 2019 #2
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #3
k and r for visibility Stuart G Aug 2019 #4
We didn't even have a march for the kids. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #5
Eye opening post bdamomma Aug 2019 #6
"I was only obeying orders." smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #18
A new phrase is being uttered Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #7
Or ready-made volstork Aug 2019 #10
OMG Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #11
Yes, very primal, very tribal. I'm sure that's what Iterate Aug 2019 #14
We are getting there in a hurry. triron Aug 2019 #8
Kick. dawg Aug 2019 #9
Netflix has a documentary showing these concentration camps survivors and dead bodies kimbutgar Aug 2019 #12
We're too late Ingersollman Aug 2019 #13
I was at Osthofen last week. Iterate Aug 2019 #15
Did the Nazis separate toddlers from their parents and put them in cages? triron Aug 2019 #16
No, not exactly, and not then and not there. Iterate Aug 2019 #17

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
2. KR Rohingya Genocide:
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 01:37 PM
Aug 2019

"When I went into the Rohingya camps in Myanmar in 2015, I also talked to people in town who were happy their former neighbors were in camps. Insisting they weren't racist or bigots, many said all they really wanted was for the government to deport the Rohingya to another country. They claimed the Rohingya were illegal immigrants, rapists, and terrorists. If I mentioned a Rohingya they actually knew, they would sometimes acknowledge maybe *that* Rohingya person wasn't a criminal. They often argued that the Rohingya should be deported as a group anyway."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide

CrispyQ

(36,410 posts)
5. We didn't even have a march for the kids.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 01:50 PM
Aug 2019

We did for women. Three times? We did for the scientists, once. But not one big national march for the kids. Not that I think a march will do anything. And I don't know what to do. I don't have the support system or financial wherewithal to travel to the border & protest for weeks on end. Not many people do. Sure I call Congress, but Congress is broken right now. I feel like a Good German.

bdamomma

(63,774 posts)
6. Eye opening post
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 01:55 PM
Aug 2019

I am sure if the abuse keeps on and children along with many others are dying, how many of those officers will be saying I was only doing my job???

These are crimes against humanity period. I hate what our country has become, Mr. Stephen Miller is a zero vile man, he's the one behind this vile sick policy. These people are not animals like the ones who are squatting in the WH. But we are in a very dark place right now.
We have a psychotic wanna be dictator and the rest of world knows it.

Yes it can happen here, we have a disease in our country that we must eradicate.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. A new phrase is being uttered
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:01 PM
Aug 2019

by folks fimiliar with these Kiddie Cages and Concentration Camps. Ready made Clients for Adoption to White Christian Couples. Maddow uddered that last night with zero follow up.

volstork

(5,398 posts)
10. Or ready-made
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019

candidates for human trafficking. This is abhorrent, and I feel helpless against the enormity of it.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
14. Yes, very primal, very tribal. I'm sure that's what
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 04:36 PM
Aug 2019

trump was signalling with that ugly post El Paso shooting photo where the trophy was holding the Anchondo survivor baby and he was giving the thumbs-up.

It wasn't just accidentally goofy. I'll look for the Maddow mention.

dawg

(10,620 posts)
9. Kick.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:06 PM
Aug 2019

A good antidote for those who think the rest of us are being silly and "over-the-top" with our concerns.

kimbutgar

(21,027 posts)
12. Netflix has a documentary showing these concentration camps survivors and dead bodies
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:50 PM
Aug 2019

That the people in German villages had to see after WW2. All these supporters of fat donnie and especially these young kids who are idolizing nazis now need to see these films.

It wcould happen here if we don’t stop the insane monster in the White House.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
15. I was at Osthofen last week.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 05:09 PM
Aug 2019

It was a very early camp only used for about two years.

First arrivals slept on a bare concrete factory floor and the only food they had was given by family members who were not necessarily nearby.

Sound familiar?

Eventually the prisoners gathered grass, sticks, and straw, and repurposed a kettle for cooking thin soup. They used pallets to make crude bunks.

These were a cross-section of village and small town men: bakers, barbers, drivers, doctors and a mayor or two. The common thread was that they were named political opponents.

Sound familiar?

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
17. No, not exactly, and not then and not there.
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 05:56 AM
Aug 2019

No one died at Osthofen, but they were "in the system", so to speak. Most, but not all, did perish at the follow-on camps in later years, as did their families.

It was more efficient and with less bother to leave the separated families together but unprotected and unsupported, until they eventually drained whatever resources they had. Then they were easily erased without much notice.

I ordered several books while I was at the camp, mainly biographies of the detainees. Unfortunately most of them are about about the more prominent and knowable ones, and there is almost nothing about the guards. I expect it will take a year or two to get through them.

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