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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsnew poll finds major shift in values away from patriotism, religion and having kids
Those changes come amid a stark generational divide over which values are seen as most important.
Among those who are either Millennials or Generation Z (ages 18-38), only 42 percent rate patriotism as a very important value, while 79 percent of those over 55 say the same.
Just 30 percent of the younger group cite religion or belief in God as very important, while 67 percent of the older group does.
And just 32 percent of those under 38 years old call having children very important, while 54 percent of those over 55 agree.
There is an emerging America where issues like children, religion, and patriotism are far less important, said Republican pollster Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies. And in America, its the emerging generation that calls the shots about where the countrys headed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/deep-boiling-anger-nbc-wsj-poll-finds-pessimistic-america-despite-n1045916
Skittles
(152,967 posts)they are in a different world now
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)Trump is fifty fifty in 2020. I doubt a Republican will be President after that. I doubt they will control the Senate in 2024 and beyond. Hopefully we can survive until then.
not fooled
(5,791 posts)in demographics that no amount of gerrymandering and vote theft can stop forever. Joy Reid this morning on her show said that republicans recognize this and that in response, their plan is to leave to those who will inherit the emerging new America a hollowed out, bankrupt shell. Explains all of the looting of the nation's resources, emptying the Treasury, and driving up the national debt. She was quoting someone else; sorry, I didn't catch the reference but the gist of it sure sounds plausible to me. Evil bastards.
The solution is for the young to vote now, as if their lives depend on it, because they do.
33taw
(2,420 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)Courts can not overrule most statutes. Courts decide issues at the margin. Many issues are not marginal. And public opinion influences courts too. Courts are reluctant to buck public outrage.
33taw
(2,420 posts)Will destroy previous norms.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)British common law courts were a decision machine which like evolution crafted solutions which worked. I have more faith in the process of law than you do.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Because by the same logic, the inverse works just as well:
Imagine where we'd be if people over 55 DIDN'T Vote.
Instead of assuming there's something inherently inferior about millions of people, perhaps consider that we're doing a shitty job motivating them.
BigmanPigman
(51,432 posts)from each decade since 1900, if any exist that is.
unblock
(51,974 posts)Such a shame
ooky
(8,889 posts)to the conclusion it was all bullshit.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)I began thinking it was bullshit when I was 7 years old and preparing for my "First Communion".
There were others like me. It's all been a matter of time that more and more catch on.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)same as extreme religiosity. If younger people view patriotism and religion as less important that just means that the USA is becoming more like other developed countries.
Freethinker65
(9,935 posts)I know that is anecdotal and a while ago, but it was really close to the exceptional attitude many Americans possess. I never understood the "we are #1 and the best at everything" attitude.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Many I know are extremely patriotic. Proud to be a republic and what they have overcome. And the society they have built.
What they dont have, since they are not religious is the crazy belief that god favors them.
They know where that belief leads.
erronis
(14,955 posts)There was, and still is, extreme political, religious, and nationalistic factions. Lots of lives were lost.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Is patriotism inherently good or positive? I don't think so.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Their ideology is simply dreadful in all facets. Their religious faith is comically hypocritical and their patriotism is really just white nationalism in a star-spangled disguise.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Thanks!
NoMoreRepugs
(9,260 posts)Really tired of whataboutism and both sides are the same.
Freethinker65
(9,935 posts)Never cared much about patriotism, religion, nor having kids.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 26, 2019, 01:12 AM - Edit history (2)
Most of my friends don't have children (very choosy about friends). I have only 1 child and have a theory about people with more than 2.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Please share....
Duppers
(28,094 posts)For fear of offending and being
criticized, so I googled to ck my theory and bingo: they are indeed much more likely to be Christian rightwingers.
Per Pew Research:
Boomer
(4,159 posts)Age 65, skeptical of patriotism, religions and have no kids.
get the red out
(13,459 posts)I hear ya!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)from the emerging generations.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)different manifestations of values. And it's not at all just their response to some parents' strongly negative reactions to rampant, scary change; rather, it's far more a positive adjustment to and acceptance of reality.
Today's young people are born into and become part of communities that stretch around the planet, not just their home towns. Of course more see themselves also as citizens of the world. It doesn't eliminate loyalty-type patriotism in those prone to it but certainly helps combat excessive patriotism, while expanding scope for caring.
Old-fashioned religion's remained overly strong in our country considering mankind's state of knowledge. More information means less need for religion to explain what's hidden in the darkness. And morality exists independent of religion and is stronger when approached via the reason of our age than through the blind, reactionary faith some cling to. So some diminishing of religion's power was inevitable, even without the corruption of religion by political partisanship.
Children? No longer economic necessities or religiously mandated for the vast majority, but enormously expensive in both dollars and opportunity costs. Many young people have never had such a range of wonderful opportunities that must be traded for parenthood, and others are having more trouble supporting even themselves than we did. Younger generations are rightfully seeing parenthood as a choice they need to decide on. Rather than a moral duty to god and society, or most often just what everyone like them does, children are luxuries or necessities depending on what one wants from life.
We progress, even if it sometimes involves taking several steps back.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Thank you.
keithbvadu2
(36,371 posts)Religious support for Trump shows the hypocrisy of Christians.
Why would younger folks consider religion a valid set of beliefs?
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Who can blame them? We have this obsession with war and military displays. We have this obsession with over-populating the already over-populated planet and we have this obsession with mythology from 2,000 years ago that hardly anyone actually follows. No matter how often they go to church or claim to be pious.
In short, the Republicans have pushed values that are not attractive or are just plain old dumb. Of course the younger generation is abandoning them.
calimary
(80,700 posts)What kind of planet will they have? Will it even be habitable for them all?
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Kids in cages, Jesus was a Republican evangelicals, war on science, anti health care, college debt slaveowner billionaire Betsy Devos.
A successful political platform for super villains, not so much for the rest of the Nations young.
bucolic_frolic
(42,680 posts)exploitation. People want control of their own lives. Trends like these produce home enterpreneurship, self-sufficiency, freedom, and independence.
TalenaGor
(1,103 posts)there might be hope...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)to stop these younger voters from voting at all.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)and with RCC being exposed to be little more than a criminal child abuse organization, it is no surprise.
mountain grammy
(26,573 posts)But when my 31 year old daughter said when my generation is gone, racism will be gone I told her I said the same thing to my mom. I am hopeful that they'll abandon religion. It's smothering us.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)The 18-38s are seeing the benefits of not having them.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)their later years.I am in my 80s,had 6,and dont know what I would do without them at this time in my life.
get the red out
(13,459 posts)I am afraid that is painting child-free people with a broad brush. And there are plenty of parents who get no help from their kids as they age. People and circumstances are different.
Tree-Hugger
(3,364 posts)The last people who should have kids are those who don't want kids. Too many people are fucked up emotionally due to having parents who had kids because "that's what you're supposed to do."
ETA: as a very young adult, I worked as home health and hospice aide. I can't begin to tell you the number of stories where an ailing parent was left alone by their children. One woman had twelve children and over 100 grands, great grands, and great great grands. She was still mostly alone. Having kids doesn't guarantee companionship in old age.
Skittles
(152,967 posts)I know people who resent their parents' neediness
Initech
(99,915 posts)I'll gladly choose an option where I don't have to associate myself with those groups!
procon
(15,805 posts)changing society. They appropriated patriotism and made it into an unrecognizable policy of aggression, threats of war and aligned the US with lawless dictators. At the same time they cheated vets, they linked patriotism to militant white power, rightwing domestic terrorists, and bellicose fringe religious groups urging global war and destruction. There is no redeeming reason for claiming to be patriotic.
Likewise religion has been bastardized and shrunken down to something unrecognizable as the teachings of Jesus Christ. Instead, Republicans have promoted a false religion as the one and only true faith, endorsed by the government and promoted by the GOP, it is based on self serving greed and the aquisition of money and processions that would even make a Ferengi blush. The religion favored by Republicans is white, wealthy and politically aligned with rightwing tropes. Who would want to join that club?
Republicans have no interest in children except as pitiful props that are useful in fundraising schemes to enrich themselves. Living children do not fair well under Republican rule where they are routinely denied food, shelter, medical care and an education. Children are killed, abused, treated inhumanely and denied opportunities for a better future because Republicans make policies to ensure this practice continues. It's hard enough to nurture a child without Republicans working to make their lives worse.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Permanut
(5,439 posts)Maybe there's hope for the human race.
ronharold
(33 posts)dude? yes.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)This is hysterically funny, because it keeps happening!
Bettie
(15,998 posts)at all!
We're the ghost generation. We got that window of opportunity slammed on our fingers and then were utterly forgotten.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)The first, and maybe last, generation who will have less than their parents.
EllieBC
(2,961 posts)You know why we get forgotten? The Millennials are the children of the Boomers. The most entitled generation is making sure we only hear the views of their offspring, possibly the second most entitled.
pecosbob
(7,511 posts)I say good riddance to a spoiled and ungrateful generation. If the only lesson we learned from the 'greatest generation' that were our parents was that America is greatest and always right because we can kick everybody's ass, then we absolutely need to die off as soon as possible.
Celerity
(42,674 posts)pecosbob
(7,511 posts)I know Aristotle complained about the young of his age, their lack of focus and respect for the institutions of society. It's probably an ingrained human trait since we haven't been able to make the young listen to their elders even after attempting to do so for the last few millenia.
Our grandparents and great grandparents went through the great depression and learned it's lessons. Our parents fought the rise of international fascism and learned those lessons. We were taught to defend the world from domination by communism, only that turned out to be a load of horseshit...and yes, I served. We discovered that it was all about commerce and profits, and that's the lesson the boomers learned.
I for one believe it's time for a return to idealism. Educators...
Skittles
(152,967 posts)get the red out
(13,459 posts)As a very liberal 50-something I agree.