Putin Shows Off Su-57 Stealth Fighter After Turkey Barred from Buying F-35

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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/27/putin-shows-su-57-stealth-fighter-after-turkey-barred-buying-f-35.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin showed off his country's advanced Su-57 stealth fighter to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan Tuesday, just a month after Turkey was blocked from F-35 sales due to its purchase of the Russian S-400 anti-air missile system.

Putin led Erdogan across the tarmac to check out the single-seat Su-57 at the annual MAKS-2019 air show at Zhukovsky International Airport outside Moscow, Russian and Turkish news outlets reported.

Erdogan looked into the cockpit of the Su-57 on display and asked whether it was available for sale. Putin smiled and said, "Yes, you can buy it," according to the Associated Press.

Erdogan also met privately for more than an hour with Putin on developments in Syria, Turkey's Hurriyet newspaper reported.

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[EX500rider]

1. Good luck with that...India pulled out of the deal for good reasons.

"India, which agreed in 2010 to invest $6 billion for development and production of the Su-57, pulled out of that deal in 2018 because of the many missed deadlines and attempts by Russia to hide the degree to which Su-57 development was aspirational. Russia was providing aspirational data when India was demanding realistic updates on where Su-57 development was. India originally planned on purchasing 214 slightly modified (for Indian use) Su-57s. That is gone and Russia is unlikely to get it back because too much of existing Su-57 progress is still more aspirational than reality.

Development got off to a bad start as Russia encountered unexpected (or just unwanted) technical complications that, by 2012, caused India to reduce its planned purchase to 144 fighters. Development problems persisted, as did the unreliability of progress reports and in early 2018 India pulled out of the Su-57 project. India noted the Su-57 was way behind in completing development of the stealth technology as well as the advanced electronics. Russia disagreed but without Indian development money and initial aircraft purchases proceeding as planned the Su-57 faced cancellation. Instead, Russia came up with a plan to continue development but with significantly reduced performance goals. To demonstrate the feasibility of this approach in February 2018 two Su-57 prototypes were sent to Syria to demonstrate the existing capabilities of the aircraft as it performed various types of missions during a major air support operation for ground forces clearing rebels from a Damascus suburb. This lasted until April and the Su-57s successfully completed an operational testing program that included combat trials. The capabilities of multiple Su-57 weapon systems were tested during ten flights. The most significant test was when a Su-57 fired a Kh-59MK2 cruise missile against an Islamic terrorist target. Russia concluded that, although the intent and purpose of the Su-57 program had changed since development began, the aircraft represented a significant advance in Russian military aircraft performance and was a worthy competitor to American and Chinese stealth designs.

The reality was that the Su-57s sent to Syria were mainly carrying out promotional stunts. Those two aircraft had little of the promised “fifth-generation” capabilities and the Americans and Israelis were able to monitor the Su-57 performance closely and in great detail. That confirmed the Indian complaints, and the belief that the Su-57 development was still in trouble and the prognosis was grim."

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/20190724.aspx

[uponit7771]

2. Sounds like Russians and Red Don are birds of a feather, grifter crook types who'll do anything for

... money

[Igel]

4. Sounds like Erdogan like his grapes nice and sour.

He refused the US anti-missile system because the US might allow non-classified components to be made in Turkey, but the US wasn't going share proprietary technology and code.

He bought the Russian system, proud to do so, even though Russia refused to share proprietary technology and code.

Turkey wasn't happy at the level of access to the F-35 design specs and won't have it because the Russian system air defense isn't just defensive, but also actively probes defenses in order to find weakness in the enemy's capabilities. Something Russia will get, but should work for.

Turkey's tickled pink to have even less access to the Su-37 specs.

"I'm happy with less because I suck at poker and need to make myself really seem important. I'm the victim here! Just ignore the dead, the oppressed, the imprisoned."

[TheRealNorth]

3. Sounds like the Su-57 and F-35 are both boondoggles

To give a huge amount of cash to each country's respective military-industrial complex.