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kentuck

(111,053 posts)
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:26 AM Aug 2019

How important is Vladimir Putin to Donald Trump?

Way back in 2015, when the question of his tax returns came up, he said, "They are in audit. As soon as they are out of audit, sure, I will make my tax returns public". But, the election came and went and he never turned over his tax returns.

Now, we probably have a good idea of why he didn't turn them over. He would have been exposed as being in bed with the Russians. Do not be surprised if he calls Putin, even as you are reading this.

His entire business seems to have been tied up with Russian oligarchs, thru Deutsche Bank. The oligarchs have been known to collect their debts thru unconventional means. The only person that could protect Donald Trump from the wrath of the oligarchs would be Vladimir Putin. That would explain his groveling and his refusal to ever say anything critical of his dear friend, Vladimir.

Donald Trump has been doing the bidding of Vladimir Putin since the first day he entered the White House. Actually, it was before he officially became the president, when he had General Flynn making calls on his behalf in attempts to appease Vladimir Putin. He wanted to lift the sanctions.

We don't know for sure, but his overtures to China and North Korea could be in the interests of Putin and the Russians? Just as his efforts to tear down NATO and to wreck all the meetings with our allies. Donald Trump is doing his best to please Putin and keep his businesses alive.

No doubt, he will fight the release of his tax documents to the Congress all the way to the Supreme Court. He will argue that it is private information and of no concern to the Congress of the United States. It will be a long and arduous battle.

We should expect no quick resolution with Deutsche Bank handing over the documents. It will not be that easy. Trump wants to delay, delay, delay until the election is over. Then he will figure out how to pay off Putin and his Russian friends.

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How important is Vladimir Putin to Donald Trump? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2019 OP
Trump's businesses had all failed or went underwater except for the one business that ... Botany Aug 2019 #1
wrath of the Oligarchs lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #2
No doubt. kentuck Aug 2019 #3
Well said. Newest Reality Aug 2019 #4
It's gotten to the point where... kentuck Aug 2019 #5
Eric Trump in 2014: 'We have all the funding we need out of Russia ... keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #6
And Trump has been busy clearing the world stage for Russian influence. Beartracks Aug 2019 #10
The other question is how important is Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin. patphil Aug 2019 #7
Joseph Stalin once said, when Marshall Tito of Yugoslavia was getting uppity, lanlady Aug 2019 #8
Bolton Explains Video Drone Aug 2019 #9
Not nearly as important... SeattleVet Aug 2019 #11
"Trump Sings to Putin's tune" soldierant Aug 2019 #12

Botany

(70,447 posts)
1. Trump's businesses had all failed or went underwater except for the one business that ...
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:33 AM
Aug 2019

.... has been highly profitable for Trump and company that is money laundering for
Russian Oligarchs and Mobsters through Trump Properties.

But "they" made Jimmy Carter give up his peanut farm and really what about HRC's
email server.

lapfog_1

(29,193 posts)
2. wrath of the Oligarchs
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:33 AM
Aug 2019

"The only person that could protect Donald Trump from the wrath of the oligarchs would be Vladimir Putin. That would explain his groveling and his refusal to ever say anything critical of his dear friend, Vladimir."

No wrath.. Deutsche and Trump were laundering their money... they deposit their dirty money into the bank and then co-sign the loan agreement for Trump to borrow the money... that money is now "clean"... and they have a majority interest in it... the best part is Trump and his dummy corps use the clean borrowed money to buy assets... the assets come with deeds or titles... and the oligarchs use this to borrow legitimate money from banks that won't draw attention. Voila... clean money free and clear, no taxes to pay... low interest and generous terms of payments.

This was all planned

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. Well said.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:39 AM
Aug 2019

I also ponder another potential reason that he does not want the tax returns made public and that is the obvious question about his actually wealth, both past and present.

Since he equates his success, etc., with his, (fictional) capacities and (fictional) capabilities, finding out that he has a large amount of paper debt and much less net worth, (or none, or negative) would be a real hit to his braggadocio that would kick a leg out from under his bloated facade.

Isn't it glaringly obvious to anyone but him that the privacy tactic is a coverup--a big diversion--though? Well, his base aside. It is like a big, big red arrow, (as are many of the things he says and does) to the real point for his tactics.

kentuck

(111,053 posts)
5. It's gotten to the point where...
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:42 AM
Aug 2019

....he doesn't have a lot of options. Tie it up in the Courts is his last hope.

keithbvadu2

(36,669 posts)
6. Eric Trump in 2014: 'We have all the funding we need out of Russia ...
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:10 PM
Aug 2019

Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made.

Eric Trump in 2014: 'We have all the funding we need out of Russia ...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=erik+trump+money+from+russia

Beartracks

(12,801 posts)
10. And Trump has been busy clearing the world stage for Russian influence.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 02:07 AM
Aug 2019

Their sphere of Russia's influence grows bigger, as America's is steadily eroded by Trump and a complicit Republican party.

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patphil

(6,150 posts)
7. The other question is how important is Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:33 PM
Aug 2019

Trump better hope he is very important.
If Putin decides there would be more chaos in the United States if Trump lost, then Trump will go down in flames, even if it costs Putin's pals a lot of money.

Patrick Phillips

lanlady

(7,133 posts)
8. Joseph Stalin once said, when Marshall Tito of Yugoslavia was getting uppity,
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:58 PM
Aug 2019

"I just need to wiggle my little finger and Tito disappears."

Same thing in the Putin-Trump relationship. Putin waves his little finger, a bit of kompromat here, pee pee tape there, and POOF! Down goes Donnie and probably his entire family.

soldierant

(6,796 posts)
12. "Trump Sings to Putin's tune"
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 07:08 PM
Aug 2019

I tried to start it when the music starts, which sometimes works for me and sometimes not. You don't need to know any Russian. Just stop the vid when the song is over.

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