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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHurricane coming in and experienced a doozy with Propane tank swaps.
You know how you can swap gas tanks at the hardware store instead of buying a new tank for $40? Well, there's something fishy going on. My husband stood in line this morning for propane, and when it was his turn for a refill they turned him down. They said that the tanks had expired. They could only fill up tanks that were less than twelve years old, and his had expired last year.
First we heard of this. The dates on our tanks are 1992 and 1995. We're confused. We know we got the one dated 1992 last year. Is ths a new game in town? Are the hardware stores allowed to recirculate these tanks until, I don't know, a hurricane hits and the number of bad tanks malfunctioning might reveal their game?
lapfog_1
(29,191 posts)but scuba tanks holding compressed air are only good for X cycles...
Pressuring and de-pressuring these tanks makes them weaker over time... eventually to the point of failure.
The same thing can happen to airliners too...
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Im pointing out that the hardware stores may not be adhering to the rules, or not monitoring the old tanks, creating a problem for costumers who are taking old tanks without realizing it.
mercuryblues
(14,522 posts)Always check the date when you swap out.
Another factor which might cause a tank to be disqualified from being refilled is its general condition. If your tank has visible rust or damage anywhere on it, it could be unsafe to fill it and therefore would be disqualified from receiving a refill.
Recertified Tanks
Tanks that are past their normal expiration date can be re-certified by someone who is trained to do so. If the inspector deems the tanks condition to be usable, they will put a sticker on the tank with an E after the manufacturing date. This E adds another 5 years to the life of the tank.
http://koopmanblog.com/grills-propane-tank-date-expired/
It could very well be that the store is being meticulous about this at this time in order to drive up sales of new tanks. But if your tank is expired, it's expired. It should have been removed from circulation years ago. The max amount of time a tank can be used is 17 years.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Good to know about the "E" certification.
Now that I know, who do we call to turn in the hardware store if we find expired tanks?
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)Meadowoak
(5,534 posts)Are no longer safe after that many years.
sl8
(13,665 posts)Was your husband asking for a refill or an exchange? Out of date tanks can't legally be refilled, but the exchange services generally just take the old tank & dispose of it or maybe have it recertified. I'm not sure if they are required to accept them by law, but I think it is standard practice. After 12 years, a tank can be re-certified for 5 more years.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)We do swaps. Hurricane coming in, nothing on the shelves left to swap. But they still refused to refill our tank because its expired. We checked the second tank that we just swapped last year. It has a 92 expiration date. So their game of allowing old tanks out caught up with them.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Best time to dump the old ones, and force people to buy new ones.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Whichever. That the store wrongly filled it for you last time does not mean that adhering to the law this time is doing you wrong.
The Kochs think of it as the nanny state stealing your rights and are trying to someday get rid of all such laws. If people want to take their chances with setting themselves or others on fire, they should be free to. In fact, they live that principle, as proven by the two teenagers who burned to death when they started a pickup on top of one of the Kochs' illegally long-neglected gas pipelines. Reportedly the metal was disintegrated it was like lace.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,290 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)zackymilly
(2,375 posts)I have (6) 100-tanks.
National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA), the Department of Transportation (DOT) and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA):
Before a propane tank may be refilled, the DOT requires that it be inspected by the attendant. A propane cylinder may not be refilled if it is corroded; dented; bulging; damaged on valves, footings or valve protection; damaged from fire or misuse; leaking; missing an overfilling device; out of date.
Out-of-date tanks may not be refilled and may only be requalified at a registered DOT facility.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)They allowed old tanks, Expired ones to recirculate. And now, with a hurricane coming on, there are no tanks to swap because because people are buying whatever is available. So we tried to refill a tank that we just got a few years ago, and they wouldnt refill it. Our second tank expired in 92 and we swapped that one last year. Do you understand now?
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)You accepted expired tanks. Yes, they should have checked, but so should you have checked before accepting the tank. You know that now, but this is a difficult time, and you need your propane.
Here's my suggestion: Buy a couple of brand new tanks, and then never swap them. Get them refilled. That way, you'll never encounter that problem again, which is all about lax enforcement most of the time.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Some kind of head's up?
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)or anything else having to do with your transaction. What I do know is that most people routinely ignore such things and are then surprised when they learn about them. That's why I read stuff. I read everything, particularly when it has to do with items that have the potential to burn down my house.
I read warning labels. I read owner's manuals for everything I buy that plugs in, uses gasoline or other flammable fuels, or has sharp parts. I have always done that.
Recently, I bought a brand new 2020 KIA Soul. The evening after I brought it home, I brought the owner's manual, the warranty manual, the manual for the entertainment system and all of the other paperwork into the house and read it all. Then, much better informed, I put it all back in the car's glove compartment. I learned a number of details about my new car that I didn't know before I read that stuff. That's why I read things having to do with everything I pay money for. I want to get my money's worth.
There are warning labels on your propane tank. There is an expiration date on your propane tank. Reading such things is worthwhile, and can save you money and protect you from dangerous risks.
You're angry because the store you went to followed the rules this time. People are often angry when other people follow rules. People get angry when I'm driving at the speed limit, even in the right lane of the freeway. There are signs along the way that say what the speed limit is. People don't read those, either, so they get angry at me for following what those signs say, even though I'm in the "slow" lane of the freeway. Sometimes I get to pass those people when they are pulled off onto the right shoulder by a police car. I just smile and drive on.
Reading is fundamental. If there's a warning label on something, why wouldn't you read it? If there's an expiration date on something, why accept it beyond that date?
I guess I don't understand the issue. It just happened that you tried to exchange expired tanks at a time when everyone needs a full tank of propane. So, buy a new tank or two and get if filled, then refill it as needed. You won't have to worry if you do that. Now, you might have to go somewhere besides the propane rack at Walmart to refill your tank, but there it is. You'll be much better off in the long run, and save money, too - enough to pay for your new tanks.
You're angry, but nobody did anything wrong by refusing to accept expired tanks. When they accepted them before was when they did something wrong. Check the tanks you get if you exchange tanks. Don't accept expired ones.
retread
(3,761 posts)side's window shade light that has been on for 5+ years. When the shade is up I don't see it, so it is out of mind. I got "bored" waiting for my wife yesterday and spent the better part of an hour trying to find the instructions in the manual. I gave up and lowered my shade(driver's side) which had no illuminated light and compared the two. Bingo!!
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)More recently, I read the previously unopened owner's manual I found in the glovebox of the 1996 Ford Ranger I just bought. It was still in its nifty vinyl folder, along with the warranty booklet and the original window sticker for the car, all neatly folded. I love owner's manuals. I learned a couple of things from that one, too.
RussellCattle
(1,530 posts)....with a year old manufacturing date was unacceptable.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Buy a new one, and youll be good.
Its a safety issue.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Everyone is missing the point.
mackdaddy
(1,522 posts)I try to keep several 20# tanks for backup heat for power outages.
I had some old tanks I took to a Goodwill store that refills tanks. The expired tanks could be "re-certified" by one of the persons there. The just did some kind of inspection and put a new sticker on the tank with a later new expiration date, and then re-filled it.
They also did take one on exchange that could not be re-certified, but they may have been bending the rules for me too.
Separately, I have done exchanges at a walmart and they did not even look at the old tank. Could have just be and I-don't care employee there.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But technically they did nothing wrong.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)THAT was wrong. That was our second tank. We could have at least received a refill in the tank if they hadn't allowed it to recirculate last year.
The fact that we ended up with two old tanks is curious.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It was news to me too, and I was pissed.
Up here in NC, I took one in and found out it was expired. It had been on the farm for awhile. Small country town, and the guy told me hed fill it anyway - but wanted to let me know. Thats small town NC.
Shoot, you know Florida - hurricanes are a great excuse to make a buck.
Anyway, I hope you got some propane and are stocked up as best as you can. Are you inland in central Fl? I lived in Apopka and Winter Park for awhile before I moved to the Keys. Stay safe!
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)So wanted to get diver certified, but finding it hard to get family on board. Every trip we ever made to the Bahamas ended with a shark sighting.about the propane, we grill all summer so our tanks never sit on the shelf. Yeah, I think we got taken.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Got certified in Key Largo, and I kid you not - first open water dive we saw two hammerhead sharks at Molasses Reef. Our instructor had us sit on the bottom for awhile. He tried to get me to do my skill drills - clearing mask etc. I just sat there trembling and shaking my head no.
When we returned to the boat, everyone was in an uproar, having all seen them. Most were experienced divers who told me how lucky I was to see a shark on my first dive lol.
Yeah, re the propane - if not a scam, theyre bloody incompetent. Either could be true anywhere, but especially in FL lol. Sigh, I miss it there, but not the hurricanes.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)If a tank is ten years old, it should be accompanied with a tag to warn customers that they have two years to get it back in the shop. That way, when a hurricane comes in, they won't assist in spreading panic.
We are lucky, in a way. We have enough to get us through if there is no more than a two day black-out. Also, we were here during Charlie and Francis. Even if one city gets wiped out, there will be cities close by that will still be up and running.
BBG
(2,525 posts)Just got dinged at my last refill that the tank was expired and needed recertification also. Kinda weird that they noticed it on this go-round for you given the current weather forecast. You would think if there were leeway to be granted now would be the time for such.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)They just swap the tanks without question. Probably what happened was the company that supplies the refilled tanks to that hardware store noticed expired tanks, which they can't refill legally and told the hardware store it had to check dates from now on, or pay for new tanks if they send expired ones.
It's a matter of ignored regulations getting enforced, finally.
It's a safety issue. rust is the problem. It can weaken the tanks, eventually causing leaks, which can lead to fires and even explosions.
You've just not seen those dates being enforced in the past, and now you are seeing them being enforced.
Me? I have my own tanks, and get them refilled, rather than swapping them out. That way, I don't have to worry about having an expired tank when I need propane.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)How many have ever read it, I wonder?
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)We have Blue Rhino. But if they are dated 92 and 95, who knows if they have labels. My husband said that one of them looked like the date was tampered with.
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)the rules changed many years ago. You got screwed last year.