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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPrediction: A desperate, cornered narcissist who knows his freedom depends on winning the election.
I predict Trump will throw the election into complete chaos and blame the Democrats. The American people are not taking Trumps mental illness seriously enough. A narcissist like Trump cannot bear losing the election and then face possible indictments. He will do anything to stop that from happening.
I would like to remind everyone Trump was willing to kidnap thousands of immigrant children and he is willing to kill immigrant children in order to keep his base happy. Imagine what he will do to protect his freedom.
Trump has a horde of evil people who are willing to do anything to protect Trump and help him win the election. They will cheat, commit crimes to protect Trump. It's like watching a horror movie.
In my opinion we must do everything to protect ourselves. This is why I want the impeachment process put into high gear. We can't wait for Trump to do something that could ruin our lives, ruin the country and then say would should have impeached him. Waiting and hoping we win the election is as insane as Trump himself.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...and let's hope it's not the most divisive since 1860...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)he is very likely to declare victory, anyway. Then, depending on whatever contingencies his subordinates have been able to lay out, we will either get to see the son of a bitch straight-jacketed and marched out of the White House or the launching of a very violent, very vicious civil war. The darkness and possibility of this last is causing me to begin losing sleep.
Wednesdays
(17,342 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)he has a personality disorder. That is not considered a mental illness by the legal system.
pandr32
(11,578 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.
In some cases, you may not realize that you have a personality disorder because your way of thinking and behaving seems natural to you. And you may blame others for the challenges you face.
Personality disorders usually begin in the teenage years or early adulthood. There are many types of personality disorders. Some types may become less obvious throughout middle age.
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Br J Psychiatry. 2002 Feb;180:110-5.
The distinction between personality disorder and mental illness.
Kendell RE1.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Proposals by the UK Government for preventive detention of people with 'dangerous severe personality disorders' highlight the unresolved issue of whether personality disorders should be regarded as mental illnesses.
AIMS:
To clarify the issue by examining the concepts of psychopathy and personality disorder, the attitudes of contemporary British psychiatrists to personality disorders, and the meaning of the terms 'mental illness' and 'mental disorder'.
METHOD:
The literature on personality disorder is assessed in the context of four contrasting concepts of illness or disease.
RESULTS:
Whichever of the four concepts or definitions is chosen, it is impossible to conclude with confidence that personality disorders are, or are not, mental illnesses; there are ambiguities in the definitions and basic information about personality disorders is lacking.
CONCLUSIONS:
The historical reasons for regarding personality disorders as fundamentally different from mental illnesses are being undermined by both clinical and genetic evidence. Effective treatments for personality disorders would probably have a decisive influence on psychiatrists' attitudes.
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The jury is still (and always) out on your assertion. The legal system tends to not recognize any mental illness as justification for a crime. "Insanity" pleas are not the same as a psychiatric/psychological diagnosis. For my money, if a person is diagnosed with a "personality disorder", which may imply that there is a differential diagnosis with a "mental illness", none of it should matter if a serious crime has been committed. Crimes are behavioral violations of the law. Mental health and generic mental illness are matters of psychology and psychiatry. A person who commits a serious crime and is prosecuted must be held accountable, regardless of a diagnosis. For what it's worth, people with verifiable personality disorders that cause harm to others may not be able to change their world view or way of thinking and acting, and should be sequestered from society so that they don't harm more people. BTW, Trumpy fits within that category.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)position in the country/world. He's drunk with ego and unlimited(he thinks)power.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)0rganism
(23,942 posts)yet we blithely proceed as if we can count on the election to rescue us.
maybe it could, but there are a lot of empowered people counting on that not happening, and some external entities who stand to profit greatly from our mess.
this is no longer "politics as usual". that train left the station in 2016.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)If Trumpy can win by tainting, contaminating, or voiding the election, consider it done. Remember. Nothing is sacred to him. Anything can be destroyed that threatens to destroy HIM. Trumpy WILL contaminate the election. The GOP will stand by and watch it happen because they are poised to gain from it.
Again, there is now no such thing as a free and fair 2020 election. We will be outraged and horrified by Trumpy's plans to maintain power. And believe it: Trumpy will do ALL HE CAN to cheat justice. NOTHING is off-limits to him.
Do NOT count on a Democratic "Blue Wave." That assumes that an election will be somewhat free and fair. It won't. Trumpy and the GOP will see to it that the Democratic Party will remain the minority party by any means possible.
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)somewhat free and fair. It won't. " .... "Again, there is now no such thing as a free and fair 2020 election."
My confident belief for a long, long time.
And yet, how many of the 10 candidates left, are yelling the truth from the top of their lungs? and how often...and how often?
What is the DNC doing about this obvious truth..? What are most? all? of the candidates running for ANYTHING yelling about it?
I do NOT follow every word and fart in the presidential campaign or other races but I try to keep up so maybe I am missing something, probably.. but. shit man !!!!!!!!!
Every republican in congress is a fucking traitor..! WHO is screaming this ! WHO is REALLY warning?
We need MARKETING !!!!!
Some guy suggested ASSAULT..... and...; PROTECT.. At least HE is thinking !!!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)disndat
(1,887 posts)that now that Trump is on the "inside" being Pres. he has access to govt. info that he could use to collaborate with Putin for 2020.
Scary scenario!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)dump Pence. It's probably empty noise. Their enormous power is real and Trump always backs down. But still.
Pence's the plutocrats' and religious right's man in one package, even if Trump's upstaging him with those now that He's God himself, and he has his own smaller personal power base. He hasn't spent four years of playing a humiliating Nancy Reagan role with extraordinary self discipline without expectations.
Personality disorders are not "get out of jail free cards" because people are capable of understanding they're doing wrong. In fact, after over 35 years of conservative dominance, there is no such card for most people with a variety of mental disorders, and in some states even obviously insane people may sometimes not be allowed one.
librechik
(30,674 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)At worst he'll pay a fine sometime shortly before his death at 95.
You know how this works: the Democrat chooses "healing" over "Justice" for the good of the nation. the Mommy Party fixes the Daddy Party's messes, then the cycle of abuse repeats.
America = fucked.
Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)His federal crimes will go away, and his NY state crimes will require fines at most. Trump wants to win because his narcissism demands that he not be a loser. He doesnt like losers, so he cant be one. We have much to fear from Trumps machinations, but two states showed us this week how Republicans have been cheating to win elections, so we are forewarned.
In the Mississippi governors race runoff of Republican candidates, a video was made showing how election machines allowed votes for only one specific candidate (think it may have been the first name listed). Votes for the other Republican in the runoff were automatically changed back to the other name. Someone forgot to re-program the machine for a Republican runoff and left it to automatically flip the Democratic vote to Republican. Uh oh.
In Georgia, in a precinct just outside Athens (actually, Kemps home precinct), heres what the Atlanta Journal Constitution said: On machine No. 3, Republicans won every race. On each of the other six machines in that precinct, Democrats won every race.The odds of an anomaly that large are less than 1 in 1 million, according to a statisticians analysis in court documents. The strange results would disappear if votes for Democratic and Republican candidates were flipped on machine No. 3.
Given that votes were changed from Democratic candidates to Republicans, we can expect the same tactics to be tried in 2020. So how do we combat this?
1. Put Republicans on notice that we, as citizens, are watching and will use exit polls to help verify votes. People claimed that exit polls were unreliable in 2016, but perhaps they were unreliable because the vote was being manipulated.
2. Register as many people as we can and help get them to the polls.
3. Write letters/emails/tweets, whatever to the media to try to get them to focus more on these stories.
4. Encourage people to take use their phones to take photos of their final votes in systems with no backup. If election officials know that voters are doing this, they might be less likely to tamper with the votes. I know this is illegal in some states, but its my vote and Im willing to take the risk.
5. Ask the Carter Center for election monitoring of the worst states (especially swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, possibly North and South Carolina and Florida). They cant detect programming issues, but the fact that their representatives are monitoring some precincts might be a deterrent, and it says a lot about our elections that they need outside monitoring.
6. What else?
former9thward
(31,974 posts)His freedom has not been threatened by anyone, state or federal, and there is no evidence it will be.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Trump is un-American and corrupt.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)"Just because you feel it, doesn't mean it's real." -T. Yorke
azureblue
(2,146 posts)and a weak attempt, at that. At least give it a high school level try..
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)I'm simply saying you have no facts to base your "he's desperate" statement on. You want it to be true. Hell, I want it to be true.
I've seen nothing to confirm it. The Wheels of Justice are objectively nowhere near him. He's got Barr running interference and a Congress that doesn't appear to have the will to pick an Impeachment fight.
DU wants him to crack - he's not going to. He's a motherfucking asshole sociopath.
ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)He's off his rocker already. Any sane government would have removed him from power by now (mental illness). He's a cornered rat. And desperate to cling to power. Lock him up in the loony bin now.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)WHO will do that?
Nobody. Forget it.
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)say she would look into having him prosecuted for his crimes. Surely, youre not asserting Donald Trump isnt a criminal?
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)being in danger of jail time. Ask Don Siegelman or Rod Blagojevich: jail is for Democrats.
No Trump was prosecuted for the Trump University fraud.
No Trump was prosecuted for the Trump Foundation fraud.
No Trump has been prosecuted for employing undocumented workers with impunity.
No ex-president has ever been sent to jail.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Blagojevich wasn't a criminal!
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)Republican War Criminals get probation and live in mansions.
Brawndo
(535 posts)that tRump would ever respect the law or an electoral loss? Why do you have such faith in tRump is the more pertinent question.
former9thward
(31,974 posts)Please cite any federal or state legal law enforcement agency that is investigating Trump for anything that would place him in jail. There is none. The Mueller report cleared him of anything federal like it or not. Nothing any state is rumored (by the internet) to be doing would land him -- or anyone in jail.
Brawndo
(535 posts)former9thward
(31,974 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)former9thward
(31,974 posts)Try again.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Why you consistently defend Dotard across a number of different subjects, not just Russia, 9th????
If it quacks like a duck...
former9thward
(31,974 posts)Some disagree with that. Some want to blame CTs when things don't go there way. I would rather look at facts.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Trump can be charged with the same crime Cohen was charged with and more. Trump may have to face bank and tax fraud when he leaves office.
former9thward
(31,974 posts)Maybe you should read the case more closely. As far as bank/tax fraud goes why was he not charged before he became president? He has been doing business in NY for at least 50 years. Why has no one seen anything to charge him with?
shockey80
(4,379 posts)He told the court he did it for Trump to pay off Stormy and the playboy model.
former9thward
(31,974 posts)Cohen is a lawyer, Trump is not. Courts are allowed to presume intent with lawyers. Prosecutors have to prove it with others. I noticed you ignored my questions...
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)brooklynite
(94,501 posts)Trump won't be removed, and his "acquittal" will make him worse.
Caliman73
(11,730 posts)I think he should be impeached for the sake of the integrity of the process, but unless he is removed from office by the Senate, impeachment is useless as a way to "protect" ours Republic. The Senate along completely partisan lines, will acquit Trump and then he will crow about how he is "innocent" and exonerated. He will be unbearable.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)just vote to remove him. If that happens, Pence is sworn in, pardons Trump and the grifter goes merrily about his way bilking the idiots paying $15 for his plastic straws and setting up Trump TV in competition with Fox to keep the hate machine going full bore. The best thing that can happen is an overwhelming, embarrassing loss in the election followed by indictments up the wazoo.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)He can fight it and have his cronies sandbag it past the elections. he has betrayed America several times and broken many laws. He should be charged now as a criminal and traitor.
Caliman73
(11,730 posts)The States of New York and Virginia are queuing up to get their claws into him once he leaves office. Pence may pardon Trump for the federal charges but he will go down regardless.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,582 posts)Besides, he's owed an extra two years because of the investigation, he says.
Other presidents get to serve for life, he continues to remind us.
Once he's a civilian again, he knows he going to buried in indictments, subpoenas and investigations by state AGs.
Impeachment will establish a record of Fat Donnie's misdeeds, whether the Senate convicts or not. An election will only remove him from office; we need him destroyed so his kind doesn't get into a position of power again.
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)He has NO scruples. NONE. He has no conscience. NONE. For Trumpy, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. After nearly three years, the MSM and almost everyone else STILL doesn't take him seriously. He will kill journalists, politicians, corporate officials-- ANYONE who gets in his way, if he can get away with it. And he likely will, given he power he wields.
Trumpy is a demon. He will dedicate himself to evil acts at the drop of a hat. There isn't a cell in his body that can manufacture an iota of good will. He will drop nukes if that keeps him out of jail or protects him from political defeat. He will arrange for murders and assassinations. (This is why he likes Duterte.) He will destroy the life of anyone who distances himself from his political base. Trumpy has shown all of us that he has no limits to what he will do. There is no bottom.
There are no terms that can be used to exemplify the horror that Trumpy can and WILL bring to our nation, partly because extreme language that accurately describes the evil that Trumpy practices immediately gets normalized and sanitized by the RW press AND by the GOP.
BTW, the GOP deserves to be dissolved. It's completely corrupt and lawless, just like Trumpy. It's a criminal organization. Be done with them.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)If Dump gets another term, it will be a stolen election and he will be the last president.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I can only hope fervently that does not happen.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Cheer up with this. You will know why Trump is so angry with Fox News!
Firestorm49
(4,032 posts)I fear we will be in for some troubled times ahead, because you are right. Trump, with his sickeningly inflated ego, in conjunction with his cowardly bunch of so called Republican legislators will collectively bring this country to its knees before they yield power in any way, shape or form. Were still playing nice while they concoct our transition to full blown fascism.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)To him, there is no such thing as playing by rules. Any rules. It's all about power. If he needs to murder to win the election, and he can get away with it, that's what he'll do. If he can get away with it, he will kill his opponents (Don't be surprised if the Epstein investigations lead to the White House.). Don't think it's not possible. Look at what he's done so far. ANYTHING that will serve his interests is what he will do. When his critics say he is lawless, that's what it means.
It will take the nation years, maybe decades, to realize what a horrible mistake it was to vote for Trumpy. We may lose our Constitution because of the 2016 election. NOTHING IS SACRED.
Shoonra
(520 posts)The lack of a quorum in the Federal Election Commission means that the FEC is virtually paralyzed - and will remain so for the whole of the 2020 elections - and unable to react to campaign or election chicanery ... nor even able to investigate it.
This very recent development at the FEC shifts the balance on deciding on whether/when Congress should impeach Trump.
In the meantime, House and Senate races may all be scrambled by unimpeded antics. The next Congress may be a real murderers' row.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)that trump does not in anyway suffer from a serious mental illness. Sure he is narcissistic, sure he is a megalomaniac, but trump is aware of everything he is doing. I, personally, will not let this orange fuck off the hook on the basis of "not guilty by reason of insanity". At best that fuckface needs to stand trail for his multiple crimes against our country and humanity. At worst, well I don't want to say what kind of retribution he truly deserves and how it should be carried out. Suffice it to say it's gruesome.
That all being said, you are completely right. trump in no way wants to face the criminal prosecution that he is bound to face should our election actually be fair. If we have a fair and honest election trump will lose by a landslide. But I doubt we will have an honest and fair election. trump is already doing everything he can to create chaos in our system. He will continue.
He has already taken the steps to make political dissent illegal. If this isn't enough to stir the populace to drastic action I don't know what will:
Link to tweet
Alpeduez21
(1,751 posts)and no limits put on their interference.
2016 was practice. The hacking of election agencies will cause havoc. Polling rolls will be changed and purged to favor repukes. This will be done b/c Russia knows this iteration or the repukelican party is BAD for America.