What do we do if the 2020 election is stolen?

[Cyrano]

Donald Trump cannot win the 2020 election. Anyone who thinks he can is misguided, or a total fool.

However, "lost votes," "switched votes," preventing "the wrong" people from voting, and the built-in "fix" of gerrymandering, can give the maniac another four years through the electoral college.

As of now, our democracy is surviving because the majority of us believe he will lose in 2020 and we can, (over years), repair and rebuild what he has damaged and destroyed.

But what if he gets another four years? IMO, if the election is stolen, American democracy is over.

Regarding what we do about this is a question to be left until after the 2020 election.

But one thing I know for certain. A sane country cannot allow another stolen election stand.

[Meadowoak]

1. Take to the streets, there is no other option.

[Doreen]

2. I stand by what I have been saying.

If trump cheats his way in again that means Obama will have been our last true president. Trump will have 4 more years to screw the system more and part of that will be making sure he takes over for life.

[tblue37]

3. We *should* be doing a Hong Kong already, but if it is stolen *again* next year, I hope

Americans fill the streets every week, as the Hong Kong protesters do.

[Cyrano]

5. Fascists won't give a shit if we "fill the streets."

But any suggestions of more radical actions must be put on hold for now. Hopefully, the orange creature will be defeated and a Democrat will take the oath of office of the presidency.

[FiveGoodMen]

19. I have to agree

Millions of people, all over the world, filled the streets before Bush started the Iraq war.

It accomplished nothing at all.

[winetourdriver01]

4. What will we do?

Why, we start dying of course. Who is on the Nazi/white supremacist hit list? People of color, gays, (gay POC are well and truly fucked), democrats, progressives, and ultimately anyone who doesn't look or think like them.

[montanacowboy]

6. My dear Cyrano

the short answer is - nothing

What did we do after Bush v Gore? nothing, we impotently let that war criminal assume the presidency not once but twice!
After Bush v Kerry
After Clinton v Dump

The American people have no belly for confrontation and real fights, even with all that has happened, we still cannot impeach the monster

I marched my feet off during the Iraq War in Wash DC so much so I tore all the ligaments in my ankles
Marching got us nothing

It will be a real test of our mettle, do we want democracy or not? If we are not willing to put skin in the game, then be ready to kiss it goodbye.

[Cyrano]

11. You may be right.

We saw what happened while Hitler was seizing power and the German people did nothing.

Will the American people stand by and do nothing? I can't help but agree with you. Aside from "Marching in the streets," I see no indication that Americans will do whatever is necessary to defeat the evil that has descended on us.

Were these evil bastards to once again steal the presidency, I would hope that it will be the final straw. But I really don't have much confidence in this happening.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. And also hope that the Dem candidate wins the election.

[blueinredohio]

13. Agreed 1000 percent!!!

[elocs]

22. The simple truth is that most Americans are too comfortable to take to the streets and protest.

It's not going to happen.
There is absolutely no substitute for getting out and voting in massive numbers for the Democratic candidate, whoever that is. Because we didn't do that in 2016, because we didn't bother to put skin in the game that only involved getting out to vote, Trump won. If we cannot learn from the lesson of that election, what hope is there? It's a good thing we have the Russians and the Republicans as scapegoats for our loss otherwise we might have to look at ourselves.
But come election day there is only 1 thing left for us to do--get out and vote.
Yes, some votes will be suppressed, some will be miscounted, but we can overwhelm that with a massive voter turnout.

[Moostache]

7. Secession....and no, I'm not kidding.

There would no longer be a functional union to preserve at that point, so it would be time to rally like-minded people to form a new government, invite those who are allies in the fight for a representative republic (and SHUN those in favor of a theocratic fascist state), and proceed to starting over - hopefully incorporating universal human rights, progressive ideals and an improved Constitution that would not include Citizen's United, limitations to Roe v Wade, or any of the myriad of loopholes and assumed norms that Trump has abused.

The concept of America is still one of the greatest ideas to come from mankind, period. The execution of the concept is currently on life-support, but we can revive it!

[Cyrano]

12. Secession by neighborhood?

This isn't North vs South. This is a district by district thing in every state. Nice idea. It's just not practical.

[Moostache]

18. There will be some people who will have difficult choices...

Look at Haiti and the Dominican Republic as an example of what I envision happening to the USA...

One half of the country will be in a progressive-dominated ("Blue State&quot governing majority and the other will be in a theocratic fascist state ("Red State&quot majority hellhole. There will be people of opposing political views left to make a choice between accepting a terrible reality instead of picking up and moving to a better alternative.

So not necessarily neighborhood by neighborhood...but ideologically some states will cease to be comfortable for those choosing to live in areas against their political persuasions.

Myself would be among them...I live in Red State hell right now...all GOP up and down the government here in East Kansas. If the country split and my metro area was not somehow carved into a contiguous USA map, then I would have to choose to stay with the hill jacks I despise, or move on to another area and start over with people of similar respect for science, rational thought and progressive ideals.

[rwsanders]

26. I was wondering about electing a government in exile.

We elect a whole new government possibly with a "fixed" constitution (voting and privacy as rights, no campaign contributions, gun control, essentially all of FDRs 2nd Bill of Rights) and petition the world to recognize the new government

[guillaumeb]

8. What happened in 2000?

We all know.

[BigmanPigman]

9. Those who are sick will go bankrupt and die, in that order

since he WILL destroy whatever health care we have left. Suicide rates will increase too.

[librechik]

10. do exactly what we're doing now. That's why we have to win, and take congress back.

[0rganism]

14. suffer and die, mostly

this is what the end of the line looks like: no way out, nowhere to run, nothing to fall back on.
we're far from the first empire to fall, but we could easily be the last.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. I think that the best strategy

is work for a massive GOTV effort in 2020 that will result in a win that is so massively lopsided (in our favor) that Trump can't even remotely credibly claim that it was "rigged" or "fraudulent" ( although as long as we fight and win fair and square, it doesn't matter by how much).

We CANNOT keep having these weird elections where the winner of the PV doesn't also win the EV. It just doesn't make much sense how this happens, and it eats it away at our faith in our election system. And, coincidentally, it's only happened twice in the nearly 20 years, both following a two-term Democratic President.

[Bayard]

16. The Big Question

If we do take to the streets, and tRump calls in the military and all police forces, how many will do his bidding? And if most won't, will he ask Vlad to send in the Russian military?

Doesn't seem so far fetched anymore, does it?

[lunamagica]

17. Nothing, as usual

[elocs]

20. When somebody all but tells you they are going to pick your pocket and then do it,

at what point are you no longer a victim but just a chump?

We have over a year to prepare. Somehow there are untold millions of dollars for all of these campaigns, but how about some millions to make sure those who need IDs to vote have them, to make sure that everybody who needs to be registered to vote is registered, to make sure that anyone who needs a ride to the polls has it, or anyone who needs childcare in order to vote has that.
Excuses and whining after the fact are simple, but making sure people can vote is hard work so let's do it and get out the vote for the Democratic candidate--no excuses, pouting, or purity tests, just do it.

[Cyrano]

21. National elections have less to do with $ than with who has the power.

[elocs]

23. And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

You need to spend money to get out the vote, to enable people to have whatever it is they need to get out and vote. None of that has anything to do with power,
but it has everything to do with people on the ground in every state and hard work and money for them to do that work.

[PlanetBev]

24. Reminds me of a card my Dad carried in his wallet.

In the event of nuclear attack ☢️:

Put your hands behind your head
Put your head between your legs
Now kiss your ass goodbye.

[shanti]

25. This

I almost can't get excited about the elections, because of anxiety over this. And I don't believe these bad actors will stop, unless every precinct has eyes watching the results. I do think it will be contested.

[evertonfc]

27. Streets

Americans wouldn't take to the streets unless they lost thier cable, Wi-Fi or uber eats.

[questionseverything]

28. rove tried to steal it from obama in 2012

we all watched him melt down on tv because the screens never got switched to show his pre determined result he thought they had programmed in


but obamas team defeated him because they already had each and every precinct counted...they knew what votes had come in and what areas where out and they knew Obama had they votes

whoever our candidate is, they need to duplicate that

you can help by counting your own precinct and then monitor your polling place at closing

we need to all be the eyes and ears our democratic candidate will need (is way better than getting kent stated in the streets)

[hurple]

29. He can win

He could lose the popular vote by 50,000,000 and still win the electoral. As learned in 2016, it takes only just enough in certain places. And don't underestimate the power of racism.

[pintobean]

30. Gerrymandering?

Is he going to redraw the state lines?

[uponit7771]

31. *** IF ?!?! *** Trumps already said hes going to cheat !! Push for non certification

... of election.

[BlueTsunami2018]

32. We did nothing when they stole 2000, 2004 and 2016.

So my guess is, nothing. 🤷‍♂️

The people who could ostensibly prove it are in power, tens of millions of people would be in favor of the result and most people are such wage slaves that they can’t afford to shut down the country.

If they steal it next year the country as we knew it is over.

Sorry to be a downer.