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Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 03:42 PM Aug 2019

The Culture War is BIG and the bunkers are built

When I discuss politics with older white men in my sphere they excuse everything trump does that is flat out anti-American. One close family member in particular (highly educated with MBA, computer scientist, who used to be liberal) said two things that shocked me. He said, “Men are sick of American bitches. Men will go overseas to find women who are nicer.” I said, “Well, let them. Do you mean like trump?” He flashed a sharp eye at me and said, “What do you want a civil war? We are sick of hearing how bad white men are. White men built civilization!” I almost lost it. So much wrong there. “What? I said.” He said “well at least they are the creators of technology.”
Nearly falling off my seat, I replied: What about Alan Turing? The gay man that is the father of modern computing?” He said, “He’s not the father of computing.”

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TuringMachine.html

I said (paraphrasing), “So that is your tribe, white straight men? You know it’s almost over for your antiquated, white men’s power structure control over the lives of the rest of us. You can’t dominate us anymore using the levers of power … laws and justice system, religion, etc. The rest of us are the New Power Base and we are not going to let you dictate how much freedom we enjoy in our own country. Face the truth, white male culture has run the world for centuries and established itself in America using the tools of slavery, genocide and sexism. If you believe that white men created civilization what about all those that they excluded? Read your history books that tell the story of other’s contributions. Surprise, and those books were never written because history has been by white men. And, you still are trying like bloody hell to hang on to your privilege under the banner of trump? Why don’t you learn to share? The world will be a better place if you just open your heart and evolve and really believe that we are all created equal. What, you think you are better than the rest of us? What are you so afraid of? Join us.”
Then I realized … that’s it! He really believes he is superior… to women, people of color, gay’s, transgendered, Native peoples, poor people immigrants …. Simply because he is a white man? So does trump. They aren’t going to share, they never have. That is all they have to cling to and it is going to be an intense fight to liberate our country from this mindset. Fight, we will continue the fight!
Finally, I said, “I can’t wait for whites to become the minority in America so I can hear them scream for affirmative action laws be put back in place.”

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The Culture War is BIG and the bunkers are built (Original Post) Miigwech Aug 2019 OP
Remind him that it's the policies of mostly white men that have brought us to an ecological brink. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #1
The Belief in White Make Supremacy Runs Much Deeper Than Most of Us Realize dlk Aug 2019 #2
I'm going to say something probably unpopular Trenzalore Aug 2019 #3
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. flying_wahini Aug 2019 #4
To reduce their power, reduce their wealth FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #5
Amen, brothers ArcticFox Aug 2019 #7
The post is just begging for psychoanalysis ArcticFox Aug 2019 #6
They are sick of "American bitches" because empowered or even average American women smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #8
Truth! Miigwech Aug 2019 #9

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
1. Remind him that it's the policies of mostly white men that have brought us to an ecological brink.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 04:33 PM
Aug 2019

And it's mostly white men, the republican party, that are the biggest obstacle to the world addressing climate change.

dlk

(11,537 posts)
2. The Belief in White Make Supremacy Runs Much Deeper Than Most of Us Realize
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019

We are seeing the great lengths some will go to in order to completely avoid any sharing-power, wealth, and so forth. It is the foundation for much of the cruelty we witness daily.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
3. I'm going to say something probably unpopular
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 05:01 PM
Aug 2019

Whoever the "power base" is they are going to do shitty things. Will they be shittier then white guys from the 1700s? I don't know. Not an absolute rule but the more there is a scarcity of resources the shittier the people at the top act.

Human beings who have power do shitty things. The small brilliance in the American revolution was there was some controls put on how shitty a person could get by accumulating power.

Want less shitty people in power reduce how powerful someone can get.

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
7. Amen, brothers
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 06:43 PM
Aug 2019

And tax their wealth too, not just income.

Reinstate the inheritance tax (what I like to call "trust fund baby tax" or "silver spoon tax&quot at a steeply progressive rate.

Hey, an unintended emoji!

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
6. The post is just begging for psychoanalysis
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 06:38 PM
Aug 2019

It's almost as if such people are projecting when they call minorities lazy, stupid, whatever. And that their white supremacy feelings are there to justify in their minds why they have so much while so many others have so little.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. They are sick of "American bitches" because empowered or even average American women
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 06:52 PM
Aug 2019

with jobs and a modicum of self-esteem realize how inferior and unlovable THESE men really are. And these men know they don't measure up in the eyes of their female peers.

They want the 1950's Stepford wife who will defer to them and do all the cooking, cleaning, child-rearing on their own without complaint or expectation that men should offer any support on the domestic front.

They are dinosaurs and they are dying out, thank god. I am sure his MRA/Incel websites keep him warm at night. He sounds like a very bitter person.

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