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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:24 PM Aug 2012

Taxes Avoided by the Rich Could Pay Off the Deficit

Gee. It seems the numbers don't add up for the U.S. Treasury.



Here's something to share with those who still believe -- and practice -- TRICKLE DOWN.



Add It Up: Taxes Avoided by the Rich Could Pay Off the Deficit

by Paul Buchheit
August 27, 2012, Common Dreams

Conservatives force the deficit issue, ignoring job creation, and insisting that tax increases on the rich wouldn't generate enough revenue to balance the budget. They're way off. But it takes a little arithmetic to put it all together. In the following analysis, data has been taken from a variety of sources, some of which may overlap or slightly disagree, but all of which lead to the conclusion that [font color="green"]withheld revenue, not excessive spending, is the problem.[/font color]

CONTINUED with details and links...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/08/27



Gosh. The numbers don't add up at all in favor of the U.S. Taxpayer, either.

Oh well. I do hope some of this gets picked up by our fellow DEMs in time for our convention.

Who knows? It might lead to a change in policy.
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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Here's an idea--swords into adding machines!!
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:29 PM
Aug 2012

Test all the demobbing veterans for aptitude in accounting. Send them to an IRS - crafted tax school and pay them a stipend while they learn. Then send them out into the field as Revenue Agents, collecting taxes by wealthy tax avoiders. Give them a bonus for every rich fatcat they bag! A thousand bucks for every million, after expenses of collection, that makes it to the treasury! It'll motivate some to work very hard, indeed!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. That is a great idea!
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:42 PM
Aug 2012

How about extending it to employees of Big Corps skipping on paying their fair share, as well as to the unemployed and all in search of getting those electing to skip out on paying for a civilized society?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Why not? Like the Peace Corps, only with a living, even if entry-level, wage!
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 03:11 PM
Aug 2012

Provide free housing to make the concept more enticing. Heck, if we're closing down a base with some sweet housing, we could turn the housing sections over to the Treasury Department and put the singles in the barracks and the families in the family housing, and center the training there~!

Many larger bases have at least an elementary school on 'em, that would convert perfectly as a training building.

Then, if they send out tag teams of accountants to large and suspicious companies, they could just use the same military paradigm--cut them orders, send them TAD, leave the families in situ so they aren't disrupted, and start collecting those taxes! Pay up, you corporate fatcats!

Also, and this is something they can do right now-- they need to get serious about ADVERTISING that "whistleblower" tax cheat program the IRS has. I wonder how many people who have been fired by big companies, and who have knowledge of malfeasance, are aware that they can get a "cut of the take" if they rat out the fatcat to the gubmint! In these days of extended unemployment and insufficient unemployment insurance, a little windfall like that might make all the difference!

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Whistleblower---Informant-Award

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. It took Clinton 8 years to clean up Pruneface and Poppy's fiscal mess...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 03:10 PM
Aug 2012

...it took Smirko McCokespoon about one day in office to begin undoing all that work.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88866&page=1#.UEELpMFlRD0

Looking on the bright side, all the red ink does benefit one class of individual.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
4. The real problem is that most wealth is just sitting there, not earned and not taxed!
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:38 PM
Aug 2012

Income? Work??? That's so 20th century. Financial assets. OWNERSHIP. That's where it's at. And it's tax free!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. True, that. Plus, hypocrisy is a marvel to behold.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 03:04 PM
Aug 2012

It seems many of the "trust fund" babies I've met in life are the quickest to point out that the poor are lazy.

"I think some people are going to soup kitchens voluntarily." -- Ed Meese

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
8. K&R. This is also true in states and a lot of municipalities. Tax 'reform' favoring the rich is
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 03:14 PM
Aug 2012

the *main* reason for a host of ills, & the same actors are using it to force cuts to public services, defunding & reneging on pensions, etc.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
9. K&R. That's why the GOP is going so hard for faith-based politics. Basic math is against them.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 12:22 PM
Sep 2012

Robme and Lyan

It was eerie seeing guys in the audience waving "BELIEVE" signs as Lyan and Robme were spouting their lies.

They're hoping voters don't do the math because the math is quite simple.

They're hoping voters forget the Bush Gang and don't remember what happened the last time Republicans were put in charge.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
10. This is a great meme/message.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 12:28 PM
Sep 2012

People are already ready to up the taxes on the wealthy. The deficit scare raised by the Republicans should be channeled into that.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. Repugs are SO careful never to mix their deficit rhetoric with their tax cut rhetoric.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 12:33 PM
Sep 2012

It's a volatile and dangerous mix... if one were to ever make both arguments at once, his head might explode.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
13. uh-oh, I think I see a problem
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

They keep talking about the richest 10%. "It has also been estimated that two-thirds of the annual $1.3 trillion in "tax expenditures" (tax subsidies from special deductions, exemptions, exclusions, credits, capital gains, and loopholes) goes to the top quintile of taxpayers. Based on IRS apportionments, this calculates out to more than $450 billion for the richest 10 percent."

But according to Obama, only the richest 2% is really rich. The other 8% are only middle class and thus their taxes absolutely, positvely cannot ever be raised. If people making $160,000 a year were asked to pay the same tax rates now that they did back in 1999, it would just be devastating. It might very well mean the end of America, if not of the world. It simply cannot be done.

In fact, it is possible that many in those group absolutely NEED, yet ANOTHER tax CUT. In the upcoming Democratic Convention, Obama is almost sure to brag that he cut taxes for 95% of taxpayers - just like he promised to do when he ran for office. And he no doubt will say, once again, that the Bush tax cuts need to be extended for the bottom 98% (and even the richest 2% will still get tax cuts on their first $250,000 of income. Yes siree, under the Obama plan, the richest 1% will get an average tax cut of $28,728. And that does not even include the $4,000 they get from the accursed payroll tax cut.

Also their cakculation here, about the payroll taxes, seems to be forgetting something.

&quot a) A non-regressive payroll tax could produce $150 billion in revenue.

Get ready for some math. The richest 10% made about $3.84 trillion in 2006. A $110,000 salary, which is roughly the cutoff point for payroll tax deductions, is also the approximate minimum income for the richest 10%. A 6.2% tax paid on $1.43 trillion ($110,000 times 13 million payees) is about $90 billion. The lost taxes on the remaining $2.41 trillion come to about $150 billion."


Get ready for a simple fact - the payroll tax rate on non-wage income is ZERO percent. Much of that $3.84 trillion is in the form of capital gains, interest and dividends. There is NO payroll tax on it at all. Not even on the first dime of it, much less the first $110,000 of it. To impose a payroll tax on it would also be tricky to collect, and would also mean a slight tax increase on those of us making much less. For example - myself. In 2011, I made wages of $15,814.01 and I got taxable interest income of $145.21 and dividends of 95 cents and lost $99.91 on the stock market. With payroll taxes at the current rate, I would have to pay another $22.22 on my interest and 15 cents tax on my dividends.

And then, of course, there are people like Mitt Romney http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1167192

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. When you own the plutocracy
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 01:35 PM
Sep 2012

you get this added advantage of getting to write your own rules. Maybe one day we will get back to American capitalism, but not in my lifetime imo.

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