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(58,785 posts)An expert on what she refers to in her book as today's "white power" movement, with which almost all of America's white hate groups are associated, believes that most of the people and groups committing violent white events are now associated, loosely or strongly, with each other. She says there are almost no true "lone wolves," even though some may plan and execute alone.
Her research shows that this began as some Viet Nam vets organized to bring the warfare they'd learned to America, and she tracks what became of that all the way up through development of he internet to today.
So, let's see what turns up about this one and if Ator conforms to that serious picture.
Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674286078
RandySF
(58,772 posts)Link to tweet
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I won't post here, and I decided I didn't dare open them. Last time I tried, I got an immediate computer danger warning.
underpants
(182,772 posts)Thanks for that link. Will look into it more.
1. As much as it appears to be a boiled down simplistic theme all the talk of "socialism" on the right could very well be a dog whistle to their hard core violent base. A I've said before here, they are also flooding their own zone with talk of a Trump LANDSLIDE in 2016. I see it all over the place on Facebook and it's all over talk radio.
2. "Arlington Road" with Jeff Bridges and Tim Robbins. If you haven't seen it sorry for the spoiler but it follows Kathleen Belew's description of the long term plan.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)underpants
(182,772 posts)No more spoilers. Rather shocking turns.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the authorities not to reveal, if any exists, would be Atar's connection through social media with others in today's version of the movement she discusses. For obvious reasons. The good conspiracy stuff would relate to the violent revolution being plotted.
This is from a policy group focusing on the ME, but...
Although not a threat to be taken lightly, lone wolf attacks -- typically perpetrated with light weaponry such as knives, axes, or bulldozers -- generally result in low casualty numbers. Given that lone wolf attacks are a growing phenomenon, however, and that terrorists are always looking for new techniques, counterterrorism professionals must not underestimate the danger they pose to the public.
To prevent lone wolf attacks, officials must understand the reasoning behind them. First and foremost, terrorists are rational actors who weigh the costs and benefits of engaging in terrorism. Indeed, determining the motives of lone wolves can be difficult, given that they differ from person to person. One universally shared "benefit," though, appears to be feelings of honor and satisfaction. In order to accrue honor and praise for carrying out a lone wolf attack, perpetrators oftentimes post their intentions on social media before striking. ...
And, I thought this was interesting. One thing's for sure, ISIS didn't invent the use of social media to create them but was itself one of many copycats, including Russia/Putin.
Just saw this:
Link to tweet
Yes, no kidding. We don't know he's one of those who seeks approval among his types or that he intended to further a political cause, but of course his social media would be immediately scrubbed, for fear it might inspire others -- etcetera, and deeply, deeply scrutinized and investigated.
underpants
(182,772 posts)Very informative. "Leaderless revolution".
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)it is leaderless at this point, only that it's far from follower-less and almost none would know who to rat on. And may have a number of leaders rather than one organized one.
Nay
(12,051 posts)seen it, but it is so relevant today.
underpants
(182,772 posts)Yes it's a great movie. "The Fisher King" is 8 years older. That one deals with mental illness waaaay before it was in the realm of public discussion. Bridges makes some really great movies.
I don't remember when I saw Arlington Road but it was on cable or on demand. Never heard of it. No to pun but I was blow away by it.
Michael Douglas too. His movies, for a period, preceded new interests by a year or so.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)whose extensive career includes research on white supremacy in the U.S. Among his works is a coauthored book published in 2010 titled American Swastika: Inside the White Power Movements Hidden Spaces of Hate, which contains research of and interviews with white supremacists compiled over the course of a decade. ...
Robert Futrell: Up until Trumps election, we saw white supremacists operating sort of under the radar. They continued to grow, slowly but steadily. Theres a vision that many people carry around of who a white supremacist is: a Ku Klux Klan person with the hood and burning cross, or a neo-Nazi that seems to be easily identifiable with a shaved head, and tattoos, and [is] belligerent about who they are.
Their idea has been to grow their hair out, cover tattoos, get an education, infiltrate institutions and be able to take over should the race war happen. What we saw in that march in Charlottesville is a bunch of people who are dressed quote-unquote normally, yet they are expressing white power views. So this is the reality, that they exist in the same neighborhoods, grocery stores, schools, and its very hard to identify them on a day-to-day basis.
At the same time, they werent publicly protesting much. They now feel emboldened. The political dialogue these days tends to allow for more extreme points of view and they feel that now is the time to come out and push into public discourse. ...
Although hate groups are calling Atar native American Jewish ( cleaned-up versions of both), we shouldn't assume that means he's not associated with and/or influenced by what is intended to be a violent overthrow of our democracy.
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)A search of online records for Seth Ator brings up a charge of Criminal Trespass from August 1, 2001, which was a Class B Misdemeanor. A second charge for evading arrest was filed the next day. The record shows that Ator issued a guilty plea in that case and received a sentence of 24 months on probation.
Heavy is looking into additional records with the Texas Department of Public Safety for more details.
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)philf99
(238 posts)If his name was Mohamed