Hey gun manufacturers: let's make one thing perfectly clear.

[Initech]

I don't want to wear a bulletproof vest every time I go out shopping. Or to a concert Or the movie theater. Or to a restaurant or coffee shop. Or to school

I don't want to learn combat wound training. I don't want to buy bulletproof clothes or backpacks. I don't want desks that can double as a shield. I don't want to go to school in a classroom that resembles something of an underground bunker. I don't want to know that my teachers are packing heat.

I want your fucking weapons out of the god damn streets and out of the hands of lunatics and racists. That is it. There can be no negotiation on this. And if you still support this after all the death and destruction we've witnessed, you're part of the problem.

[AncientGeezer]

1. "...and out of the hands of lunatics and racists."

How do you screen for that?

[lastlib]

3. Simple: We take 'em out of EVERYBODY's hands---

Then we don't have to worry about lunatics and racists.

[AncientGeezer]

4. Do we do the same for 1A rights?

You know... there are racists and lunatics that can radicalize idgits..to commit mass murder with postings on the 'net

[Initech]

7. 8chan got taken down after one of the shooters posted their manifesto on it.

That's not really a step for free speech but it's definitely a step toward ending radicalization.

[AncientGeezer]

24. Taken down by their service provider..not govt.

[uponit7771]

29. Yes, we restrict 1A rights too ... can't yell fire in crowded theater

[dumbcat]

34. Yes you can

Especially if it's on fire.

Besides that, if you want to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, how are they going to stop you?

[uponit7771]

38. Pettifogging is an indicator of a week position, don't need to say if there's no fire

[dumbcat]

41. Or maybe an indicator of a month position?

Pettifogging - neat word, I'd never seen it before.

Don't need to say lots of things.

[AncientGeezer]

37. You may have misunderstood the question I asked lastlib...

I specifically mentioned the " 'net".....do we strip everyone's rights because a tiny fraction misuse it to harm/kill others?

[Falcata]

6. You gonna volunteer to help take them away?

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. As if! 99% of those advocating confiscation expect others to do it for them

[uponit7771]

30. Yes, by voting for people who pay others to do it safely and legally

[FBaggins]

8. Simple?

Hundreds of millions of guns and the people who would turn them over are the ones you didn’t need to worry about anyway.

Anything but “simple”

[sarisataka]

9. Just yesterday I saw a DU post

That said no rational person is talking about taking guns away from everyone.

How do I reconcile that with this? Which post should I believe?

[Captain Stern]

20. Both posts can still be true. n/t

[sarisataka]

21. .

[Dr. Strange]

25. Pffthh!

[hughee99]

15. I don't think you can guarantee you can get the guns out of everyone's hands, but there is a simpler

solution. Get rid of all the people and gun violence will drop to 0.

A society with no gun violence, no man-made global warming, no sexism, racism or homophobia, no wars, no poverty, no healthcare problems is all possible if only we get rid of all the people.

[CaptYossarian]

28. How about a very quiet ban on ammo?

Don't announce anything. Just eradicate it off the shelves. The ammosexuals will just have to make due with what's in their remote cabins.

Maybe they'll use up their supply on pictures of Democrats and discover it's too late to replenish.

[uponit7771]

31. K&R, No one should have the right to mass kill weapons or ammo. Let them make their own if they

... have the skill and track the casings ... well hell, ban the casings too.

Good idea

[hughee99]

40. When people can't buy ammo, it will no longer be "quiet".

I don’t believe there’s an effective and legal way to dance around the second amendment to get rid of guns without directly addressing the 2A.

[uponit7771]

32. +1, or take the ammo and ban the casings ... weapons "useless" in around 2 years.

[pintobean]

2. They're aware that their

product's ownership is a constitutionally protected right. Until that changes, I don't think they'll be trying to negotiate with you.

[mac56]

12. How I wish MY toys had an Amendment.

[uponit7771]

33. They don't have the right to own any product and that includes products for mass kill devices.

[JonLP24]

5. People are coming to defend guns when we have the highest rates of gun homicides

And also the highest rates of gun ownership. Go ahead and own your guns please don't shoot me or anyone else.

[Falcata]

36. Going shopping

I worry more about some kid T-boning me while texting than I do someone shooting me. Or some jerk that's drunk or high on drugs. I don't own a gun and don't need one but I respect the Constitution. That includes the BoR and all the amendments.

[JonLP24]

39. We still have the highest rates of gun homicides

I'd rather have Japan's gun laws & a police force that mostly doesn't carry guns.

We made alcohol illegal then legal in the constitution.

[onecaliberal]

10. K&R

[BamaRefugee]

11. 'MURICA was FOUNDED on killing people *who needed killin'*: "Injuns", "Negroes", Kennedys...ain't

NEVER GONNA CHANGE. Ever.

There's an ancient proverb: Those that sow the blood, shall reap the bloodbath.

And there are people who will be happy to kill anyone who does try to change it.

[barbtries]

13. they're the reason for the problem

i don't know exactly when the NRA stopped being a 2nd Amendment, gun safety group but it's been a long time.

why are we in endless war? Arms makers.

money trumps humans, greed is good.

excellent rant. our quality of life is degrading daily and they are a huge part of the problem.

[world wide wally]

14. That's a small price to pay so Wayne LaPierre can be free.

McConnell too!

[NoMoreRepugs]

16. Am I correct in thinking the USA and the UK are a bit similar

The gun laws in England, where they have a diverse population in my opinion, result in .04 murders per 100,000 residents from what I've read. The number is 3.6 per 100,000 for "Merica - that's 90 (NINETY) times as many. Are we really that violent or might it be the epidemic of guns, especially handguns in this country? I'm not positive I'm not a genius but I am leaning towards the massive number of firearms being a large part of the problem.


From a synopsis of UK firearm laws/regulations:

Police checks on an individual or organisation wishing to own a firearm involve criminal record checks, as well as interviews and reports from a GP. A permit cannot be granted unless police are satisfied both that the applicant has a good reason to own the firearm and that they do not pose a threat to public safety.

Prohibited weapons, such as handguns, can be authorized by the Home Office on behalf of the Secretary of State in exceptional circumstances.

Doesn't seem draconian to me.

[sir pball]

19. We're also intrinsically pretty damn violent...

I can't look up the exact numbers at the moment but the US non-firearm homicide rate is still something like 7-10x the UK's total rate. The guns are a massive, massive part of the problem, but the short answer is yes, Americans are a uniquely violent people.

[Initech]

22. I think the problem is the younger generation isn't taught how to handle them.

Or that they're dangerous and can result in death. If you look at every single mass shooting in the last few years, with the exception of Vegas, every mass shooting has been conducted by a young, white, angry male loner. If anything these people who commit such atrocities are driven by hatred - whether they learned it from their parents or not. The biggest problem isn't video games, it's the disconnect from society that is hammered in by male lonliness and the need to feel superior to others.

[sir pball]

23. Handle what?

Guns?
Emotions?
Violent urges?

[EX500rider]

27. "Americans are a uniquely violent people." If you mean people from the continent then yes..

The world avg for homicides per 100,000 is 6.2 per year.
The avg for the continent of America is 16.3 per 100,000
The US avg is 5.3, so we are fairly non-violent compared to the rest of the America's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

[Fla Dem]

17. Hear, Hear, But they aren't part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

[Initech]

18. Yup!

[dalton99a]

35. +1. Look at their marketing