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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7416927/Odessa-police-chief-REFUSES-identify-gunman-doesnt-notoriety.html
virgogal
(10,178 posts)I'm generally against the death penalty. But when I learned that a 17 month old baby died from a shot in the face and then learned that this madman was killed - the thought crossed my mind that he got an instant death penalty. It didn't bother me in the least.
Not that you feel the same way I do about the while thing. But I'm glad he's taking the dirt nap.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)she is, thank goodness, alive. Here is her GoFundMe page:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/17-month-old-that-was-shot?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet
tblue37
(65,227 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Why the fuck does a family need a go-fund me or whatever page to heal a toddler shot in the face by a mad man.
Spare me the answer. I know. Thats why Im pissed.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)Quemado
(1,262 posts)They had the better part of a day to erase anything that might connect him to anything negative, i.e. white supremacist groups.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,422 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,422 posts)Smells fishy to me, too bad you don't seem to care.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)claims about how dangerous they are and that domestic terrorism is a thing and should be dealt with.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)usually loners and often social media addicts.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)fact that they acted alone doesn't mean that the white supremacist groups they were listening to are not implicated.
The fact that the guy who shot up the Pittsburgh synagogue had become convinced (by FOX and Trump) that Jews like Soros were funding an "invasion" of the U.S. by a caravan of Central American migrants is absolutely relevant!
And the guy who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic, and the one who murdered Dr. Tiller, acknowledged being radicalized and aimed at their victims by the way FOX covers the abortion topic.
If we don't know who these people are and what determines their targets, we can't address the problem.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)than the youth who get radicalized by ISIS websites.
We should know....
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,741 posts)Especially because theyre always trying to portray antifa as a terrorist group, when I dont think theyve actually harmed anyone
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)can be targeted with a civil suit that can drain their assets and leave them with nothing. So there's a big incentive to find out who his social media contacts were.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Just like it took no time at all for his identity to become public. The way back machine will help along with people who knew of him. Details about his affiliations or at least behaviors will become known. it's just a matter of time.
underpants
(182,622 posts)and age in Midland.
Brother Buzz
(36,380 posts)The account states that he worked as a truck driver based in Midland, Texas. But its possible the page may have been meant as a joke. The supposed company is listed as "At&terdsniffers."
That being said, his photo looks like he's wearing some sort of goofy uniform a local truck driver would be forced to wear
underpants
(182,622 posts)Thanks.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)according to Twitter, so take it with a grain of salt. i haven't looked myself.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)They didn't with the El Paso dirt bag..why this f'job?
hlthe2b
(102,128 posts)raccoon
(31,105 posts)And indicated trumps influence on his thinking.
Something that right wingers and Republicans didnt want the public to see.
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)Name was held and rumors his social media was scrubbed. Also rumors he worked on the Trump campaign.
Something smells funny.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)The gun registry is a crucial first step in gun control legislation.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,254 posts)The RWNJs don't love the entire 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/second_amendment
They want the first 2 clauses expunged.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)At a time of increasing gun violence in America, Waldmans book provoked a wide range of discussion. This book looks at history to provide some surprising, illuminating answers.
The Amendment was written to calm public fear that the new national government would crush the state militias made up of all (white) adult menwho were required to own a gun to serve. Waldman recounts the raucous public debate that has surrounded the amendment from its inception to the present. As the country spread to the Western frontier, violence spread too. But through it all, gun control was abundant. In the twentieth century, with Prohibition and gangsterism, the first federal control laws were passed. In all four separate times the Supreme Court ruled against a constitutional right to own a gun.
The present debate picked up in the 1970spart of a backlash to the liberal 1960s and a resurgence of libertarianism. A newly radicalized NRA entered the campaign to oppose gun control and elevate the status of an obscure constitutional provision. In 2008, in a case that reached the Court after a focused drive by conservative lawyers, the US Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Constitution protects an individual right to gun ownership. Famous for his theory of originalism, Justice Antonin Scalia twisted it in this instance to base his argument on contemporary conditions.
In The Second Amendment: A Biography, Michael Waldman shows that our view of the amendment is set, at each stage, not by a pristine constitutional text, but by the push and pull, the rough and tumble of political advocacy and public agitation.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)And while we all probably bitch a bit about the DMV, hardly anyone actually thinks that having to pass a test and carry a driver's license and even prove insurance are unconstitutional infringements.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)much on guns they cans spend some more on insurance to recompense their victims, even after the shooters are dead.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)It does not impede gun ownership, but will make it hard as hell to use a gun.
Severe limits on ammo purchases. That is the way around the 2nd amendment. Mandatory 30 year sentence for anyone involved in the illegal manufacture or distribution of unlicensed contraband ammo.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)Doodley
(9,041 posts)Eugene
(61,817 posts)Tell me again how there is a legitimate need for unrestricted ownership of such a high-powered weapon.
PCIntern
(25,482 posts)Hes related to Mitch McConnell whose real name is Sen Ator .
Roland99
(53,342 posts)KMID learned that he was arrested in 2001 for criminal trespassing and evading arrest. He served deferred adjudication, KMID reported.
He was also charged with a 2018 federal transport safety violation which was described by KMID as a minor violation.