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gunman identified one hour after police chief refuses to name him: Seth Ator, age 36 (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2019 OP
Glad he's dead.....a maniac. virgogal Sep 2019 #1
Me, too eleny Sep 2019 #3
The baby isn't dead. She lost her front teeth, and her lower lip and tongue have holes in them. But tblue37 Sep 2019 #12
Thank you! eleny Sep 2019 #21
You're welcome. I was especially upset about her, too. Poor little thing. nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #28
Goodness this pisses me off. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #43
+1. nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #44
Do we know if any of his social media, affiliations, etc. were scrubbed? Quemado Sep 2019 #2
Who care's,he's dead and gone. virgogal Sep 2019 #4
I do. Kingofalldems Sep 2019 #6
Why? It would change nothing. virgogal Sep 2019 #8
It's interesting they refused to release his name. Kingofalldems Sep 2019 #13
When white supremacist groups are implicated, we need to know, to support our tblue37 Sep 2019 #14
Thank you. It is important. nt Ferrets are Cool Sep 2019 #15
Yes,if it's a group but these psychos are virgogal Sep 2019 #16
If they have been radicalized (as the El Paso shooter and Dylan Roof were), then the tblue37 Sep 2019 #18
No different.... Sogo Sep 2019 #19
Exactly! nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #20
+1000 bronxiteforever Sep 2019 #29
Really Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2019 #33
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #37
Any political or social group from which Ator got his ideas and/or got encouragement... Eyeball_Kid Sep 2019 #32
I take comfort in the fact that those things always wind up being revealed eleny Sep 2019 #5
Looked or on Facebook but didn't find anything. LinkedIN has a ruck driver by the same name underpants Sep 2019 #7
LinkedIn page may be a false lead Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #22
I saw the nerd sniffer thing but thought it meant something else underpants Sep 2019 #25
i believe so. barbtries Sep 2019 #9
Why would they do that? Would be a stupid move..the 'net is forever. AncientGeezer Sep 2019 #10
that's what they are saying on twitter... hlthe2b Sep 2019 #11
Betcha he was 110 percent a trump supporter. raccoon Sep 2019 #30
Something fishy going on Johnny2X2X Sep 2019 #17
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Sep 2019 #23
The government has the right to know who has each gun out there. Joe941 Sep 2019 #24
that fits the "well-regulated" part RWNJs want ignored Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #27
exactly...read: Sancho Sep 2019 #38
Good points-- we have all sorts of regulations when it comes to cars-- dawg day Sep 2019 #31
I agree totally. especially the insurance angle. If they can spend so demigoddess Sep 2019 #36
Stringent ammunition control. roamer65 Sep 2019 #41
yep...that was part of the idea Sancho Sep 2019 #42
There"s more than a 50/50 chance he was radicalized by Donald Trump's rhetoric. Doodley Sep 2019 #26
He reacted to a traffic stop with an AR-type rifle. Folks, what is wrong with this picture? Eugene Sep 2019 #34
As I said on another thread: PCIntern Sep 2019 #35
Had a minor record. Roland99 Sep 2019 #39
Ron DeSantis evil brother voteearlyvoteoften Sep 2019 #40

eleny

(46,166 posts)
3. Me, too
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:04 PM
Sep 2019

I'm generally against the death penalty. But when I learned that a 17 month old baby died from a shot in the face and then learned that this madman was killed - the thought crossed my mind that he got an instant death penalty. It didn't bother me in the least.

Not that you feel the same way I do about the while thing. But I'm glad he's taking the dirt nap.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
43. Goodness this pisses me off.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:57 PM
Sep 2019

Why the fuck does a family need a go-fund me or whatever page to heal a toddler shot in the face by a mad man.

Spare me the answer. I know. That’s why I’m pissed.

Quemado

(1,262 posts)
2. Do we know if any of his social media, affiliations, etc. were scrubbed?
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:00 PM
Sep 2019

They had the better part of a day to erase anything that might connect him to anything negative, i.e. white supremacist groups.

Kingofalldems

(38,422 posts)
13. It's interesting they refused to release his name.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:22 PM
Sep 2019

Smells fishy to me, too bad you don't seem to care.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
14. When white supremacist groups are implicated, we need to know, to support our
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:23 PM
Sep 2019

claims about how dangerous they are and that domestic terrorism is a thing and should be dealt with.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
18. If they have been radicalized (as the El Paso shooter and Dylan Roof were), then the
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:45 PM
Sep 2019

fact that they acted alone doesn't mean that the white supremacist groups they were listening to are not implicated.

The fact that the guy who shot up the Pittsburgh synagogue had become convinced (by FOX and Trump) that Jews like Soros were funding an "invasion" of the U.S. by a caravan of Central American migrants is absolutely relevant!

And the guy who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic, and the one who murdered Dr. Tiller, acknowledged being radicalized and aimed at their victims by the way FOX covers the abortion topic.

If we don't know who these people are and what determines their targets, we can't address the problem.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,741 posts)
33. Really
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:58 PM
Sep 2019

Especially because they’re always trying to portray antifa as a terrorist group, when I don’t think they’ve actually harmed anyone

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
32. Any political or social group from which Ator got his ideas and/or got encouragement...
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:56 PM
Sep 2019

can be targeted with a civil suit that can drain their assets and leave them with nothing. So there's a big incentive to find out who his social media contacts were.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
5. I take comfort in the fact that those things always wind up being revealed
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:07 PM
Sep 2019

Just like it took no time at all for his identity to become public. The way back machine will help along with people who knew of him. Details about his affiliations or at least behaviors will become known. it's just a matter of time.

underpants

(182,622 posts)
7. Looked or on Facebook but didn't find anything. LinkedIN has a ruck driver by the same name
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:13 PM
Sep 2019

and age in Midland.

Brother Buzz

(36,380 posts)
22. LinkedIn page may be a false lead
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:14 PM
Sep 2019

The account states that he worked as a truck driver based in Midland, Texas. But it’s possible the page may have been meant as a joke. The supposed company is listed as "At&terdsniffers."

That being said, his photo looks like he's wearing some sort of goofy uniform a local truck driver would be forced to wear

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
10. Why would they do that? Would be a stupid move..the 'net is forever.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:14 PM
Sep 2019

They didn't with the El Paso dirt bag..why this f'job?

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
30. Betcha he was 110 percent a trump supporter.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:48 PM
Sep 2019

And indicated trump’s influence on his thinking.

Something that right wingers and Republicans didn’t want the public to see.

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
17. Something fishy going on
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:35 PM
Sep 2019

Name was held and rumors his social media was scrubbed. Also rumors he worked on the Trump campaign.

Something smells funny.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
23. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:17 PM
Sep 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
24. The government has the right to know who has each gun out there.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:21 PM
Sep 2019

The gun registry is a crucial first step in gun control legislation.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,254 posts)
27. that fits the "well-regulated" part RWNJs want ignored
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:33 PM
Sep 2019

The RWNJs don't love the entire 2nd Amendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/second_amendment


They want the first 2 clauses expunged.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
38. exactly...read:
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:29 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.amazon.com/Second-Amendment-Biography-Michael-Waldman/dp/1476747458/ref=sr_1_1?crid=9HHBHPLXXVPG&keywords=2nd+amendment+book&qid=1567380504&s=gateway&sprefix=2nd+amendment+book%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-1

Widely acclaimed at the time of its publication, the life story of the most controversial, volatile, misunderstood provision of the Bill of Rights.

At a time of increasing gun violence in America, Waldman’s book provoked a wide range of discussion. This book looks at history to provide some surprising, illuminating answers.

The Amendment was written to calm public fear that the new national government would crush the state militias made up of all (white) adult men—who were required to own a gun to serve. Waldman recounts the raucous public debate that has surrounded the amendment from its inception to the present. As the country spread to the Western frontier, violence spread too. But through it all, gun control was abundant. In the twentieth century, with Prohibition and gangsterism, the first federal control laws were passed. In all four separate times the Supreme Court ruled against a constitutional right to own a gun.

The present debate picked up in the 1970s—part of a backlash to the liberal 1960s and a resurgence of libertarianism. A newly radicalized NRA entered the campaign to oppose gun control and elevate the status of an obscure constitutional provision. In 2008, in a case that reached the Court after a focused drive by conservative lawyers, the US Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Constitution protects an individual right to gun ownership. Famous for his theory of “originalism,” Justice Antonin Scalia twisted it in this instance to base his argument on contemporary conditions.

In The Second Amendment: A Biography, Michael Waldman shows that our view of the amendment is set, at each stage, not by a pristine constitutional text, but by the push and pull, the rough and tumble of political advocacy and public agitation.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
31. Good points-- we have all sorts of regulations when it comes to cars--
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:55 PM
Sep 2019

And while we all probably bitch a bit about the DMV, hardly anyone actually thinks that having to pass a test and carry a driver's license and even prove insurance are unconstitutional infringements.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
36. I agree totally. especially the insurance angle. If they can spend so
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:21 PM
Sep 2019

much on guns they cans spend some more on insurance to recompense their victims, even after the shooters are dead.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
41. Stringent ammunition control.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:12 PM
Sep 2019

It does not impede gun ownership, but will make it hard as hell to use a gun.

Severe limits on ammo purchases. That is the way around the 2nd amendment. Mandatory 30 year sentence for anyone involved in the illegal manufacture or distribution of unlicensed contraband ammo.

Eugene

(61,817 posts)
34. He reacted to a traffic stop with an AR-type rifle. Folks, what is wrong with this picture?
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 06:19 PM
Sep 2019

Tell me again how there is a legitimate need for unrestricted ownership of such a high-powered weapon.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
39. Had a minor record.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:40 PM
Sep 2019
KMID learned that he was arrested in 2001 for criminal trespassing and evading arrest. He served deferred adjudication, KMID reported.

He was also charged with a 2018 federal transport safety violation which was described by KMID as a minor violation.
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