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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone here believe that Trump has kept all of his 2016 voters and added even more?
If you do, can you explain how you have come to believe it?
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)WA-03 Democrat
(3,017 posts)And Get Out The VOTE!
fierywoman
(7,641 posts)Amishman
(5,541 posts)Even if he did keep them all, he is still toast. We're going to set a record for total voters next year
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)I think he might have deluded himself into thinking more people support him than actually do, and he keeps throwing them red meat to be sure they'll vote for him while hating on everybody else.
blm
(112,920 posts)From the stats Ive seen over this past year he has lost 2-5% of his 2016 voters in many states, including swing states.
I dont see him regaining those votes with a sinking economy and general fatigue of him and his entire corrupt circle.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Nixon f'cked up, but he was smart, he loved his country, and he was a master politician.
Regardless of the hugeness of Dear Leader, there is absolutely no comparison between Nixon and Trump, except they both are criminals.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)Nixon was much smarter, of course, and he knew how to behave himself in public. Privately, however, he was a hot mess in some of the same ways as Trump. For example:
Nixon was obsessed with his with public appearance and his standing versus past presidents. During the televised Kennedy-Nixon debate, Nixon had been compared unfavorably to the younger, handsome Kennedy and many experts believed that this unfavorable comparison swung the election in Kennedy's favor. Nixon ordered his aides to remove pictures of older presidents from the White House and hired Roger Ailes, who would later go on to found Fox News, to craft his public image. But while Nixon attempted to present a positive, controlled image to the public, Nixon's ambition and paranoia dominated his most controversial political actions.
Did he really love his country?
And:
Nixon also lacked self-awareness....Nixon showed almost [no self-awareness], until the last day, Thomas said. Hes leaving the White House, and right before he gets on the helicopter, he says, You can hate your enemies, but if you do, they win. That was Nixons first moment of self-reflection, though it came too late to positively impact his presidency.
The president was also what Thomas deemed an odious blurter. In addition to making anti-Semitic comments, Nixon would often say whatever came to mind no matter the consequences.
I'm sticking with Fat Nixon. It fits.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)1) Nixon was self-made, coming from a poor background and worked his way up. Trump was the diametric opposite.
2) Nixon was an excellent lawyer, arguing cases before the US Supreme Court. He was basically top of his class at Duke Law School. Trump has done nothing of the sort.
3) Nixon had some good foreign policy initiatives as President, including with China and Russia. No need to comment on Trump.
4) Nixon was a Congressman for three terms, a US Senator for 2 years, Vice-President for 8 years, all of which was 8 years before he became President. During those 8 years, he was the named partner at major Wall Street law firm. Trump inherited everything from Fred and had no political experience.
5) Nixon served in the military during WW II. Trump had bone spurs and did nothing of the sort, war or peacetime.
Trump is a spoiled narcissistic adult baby who does corrupt things. Nixon was paranoid as hell and did corrupt things, but, at least IMHO, that's about where the similarities end. Nixon's downfall was his paranoia, whereas the reasons for Trump's falling down are far too many to mention.
Anyways, I take your point that there are some similarities. However, there were SOME redeeming qualities about Tricky Dick; by contrast, there are NONE about our current Dear Leader. Trump's greatest problems are that he is a narcissist, inexperienced, and incompetent, traits that Richard Nixon does not share.
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blm
(112,920 posts)that many of these retirement announcements are because the GOPs internal polling is showing a widespread wipeout.
I think these retirees dont want to get caught up in the inevitable cheating drama.
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MyOwnPeace
(16,888 posts)was in Florida (with help from DC) of the 2000 election for Gore, followed by 2004 by Ohio for Kerry. They've learned their lessons well and will continue practicing.
We MUST GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!
mucifer
(23,374 posts)"see, all the polls were wrong just like last time" and the press will say "see, the polls were wrong just like the last time". Then we get 4 more years of spiraling downwards into who knows what.
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redstateblues
(10,565 posts)That kind of talk breeds complacency. Get out the vote!
blm
(112,920 posts)lapfog_1
(29,166 posts)who didn't vote for him last time...to replace the easily scammed slight dumbfucks who were also antiHa (anti-Hillary) who have since woken up just a little.
SCantiGOP
(13,856 posts)He has said that all the blacks (he refers to them as my blacks) Hispanics and LGBTQ are going to vote for him.
Believe me.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Nor did Bush in 2000 or 2004.
A better question is, what are people prepared to do if another election is stolen.
underpants
(182,279 posts)Which, in part, was a result of the media calling it weeks out.
blm
(112,920 posts)underpants
(182,279 posts)and frankly the best choice for VP on any ticket is Kamala. She would create a big turnout.
mopinko
(69,806 posts)are just not that stupid, and even if they were, climate change is breathing down their necks.
maybe w/o the fires and the floods, they could swallow the money part of it. but farmers are getting a heck of a wake up call this year.
and a whole lot of folks in ohio who knew they should be selling their houses and getting out, but he told them not to.
a lot of people had their doubts. i cant believe he has relieved a single doubt.
salin
(48,954 posts)There were tentative voters in the religious right, and some who may have voted third party, who now are indoctrinated via the pulpit (with messages that he is chosen by God... at this time), who are now devoted. I think there are some who now are switched voters, and others who were tentative voters who are now die hard supporters.
At the same time - that is a relatively small group - given that most in that space voted for him - for the Supreme Court votes (and he delivered, and now they are devoted.) And those that didn't vote for him are now sold - but most voted for him - = a relatively small percentage of voters.
Meanwhile, some wanting disruption - and voted for him - are either already switching, or are on the edge. Others (I know some of these voters) who were traditional republicans - thought the bluster was an act. Many of these either became part of the Blue Wave (to vote against) - or weren't ready in 2018 to make that stand, but now are further disgusted. This group is, as evidenced in 2018, at least as large as the first group to which I referred that might be new Trump Voters - and there are more of these folks who may have still stayed in the party in 2018, who are growing more disillusioned. So in the whole - it is hard to see how he keeps the same number of votes, and is more likely to lose many more votes in 2020.
That said - no complacency can creep in against Trump. We already experienced the unbelievable in 2016.
blm
(112,920 posts)triron
(21,915 posts)albacore
(2,387 posts).. to lose the popular by 4% and still win the electoral.
Anybody know anything about that?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)We normally underperform in mid-terms and over-perform in Presidential elections. 16 was an anomaly. We just did not get it the vote where it mattered.
We did last year. We will in 20.
And that is assuming no trump votes have switched. But some have. Not a ton. But we dont need a ton.
There is a huge reserve in America just waiting to vote against this SOB. It may well exceed 2008. Several coworkers who were quiet about the vote in 16 I know voted for trump hate him now.
Americans want normalcy.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)as I would rather overestimate an opponent than underestimate them and come up short
blm
(112,920 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)Farms are going bankrupt, car plants have closed, manufacturing is on the decline, even coal miners are mad. The only people getting any benefit from his reign are day traders good at reading stock manipulation.
kentuck
(110,950 posts)I don't know if he has kept all of his 2016 voters? My guess would be that he has kept most of them.
He has targeted small special interest groups to add to his 2016 totals, in my opinion. People such as motorcyclists, small local police forces, NRA-types, etc.
His present China trade screw-up is explained as "somebody had to do it. And he's doing it to keep jobs here and help America". He wants the labor vote.
blm
(112,920 posts)I cant see any way he cons them into coming back.
argyl
(3,064 posts)He's relying on voter suppression and Russia to get re-elected.
blm
(112,920 posts)Yay us!
Another primary for us, old buddy.
I love North Carolina and am so happy about the gerrymander decision.
Pity us in Florida.