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madaboutharry

(40,201 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM Sep 2019

Andrea Mitchell seems annoyed with Gen. Mattis.

He is so unwilling to say anything. What is the point?

Is he afraid of Trump?

FWIW, I find his continual claim of "humility" a bit annoying. Truly humble people don't need to announce it.

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Andrea Mitchell seems annoyed with Gen. Mattis. (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 2019 OP
Some truly misguided sense of loyalty to someone who is loyal to no one? Siwsan Sep 2019 #1
I watched Mattis on Morning Joe and felt the same katmondoo Sep 2019 #2
I don't know if it's loyalty, or hubris stopdiggin Sep 2019 #7
sadly, many are still operating under a "pre Trump" mindset NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #8
I think his reticence to criticize Trump is explained in this article... thesquanderer Sep 2019 #19
We can only hope. KPN Sep 2019 #25
Like Uriah Heep in 'David Copperfield' with his annoying, disingenuous claims Aristus Sep 2019 #3
+1 Kurt V. Sep 2019 #13
!!! jcgoldie Sep 2019 #35
I am annoyed with... Mike Nelson Sep 2019 #4
The last episode of the Rational Security podcast had a great rant about Mattis/this issue RockRaven Sep 2019 #5
Mattis, like Kelley.. atreides1 Sep 2019 #6
Remember Pres. Obama snowybirdie Sep 2019 #9
THIS ... is the explanation that best fits Mattis KPN Sep 2019 #29
He Was Certainly Willing To Criticize PBO & Biden Me. Sep 2019 #10
Mattis acting cowardly shows why he held his position with trump for so long. duforsure Sep 2019 #11
Not an unusual position for what we used to call a "Lifer" HAB911 Sep 2019 #12
Never Underestimate the Power of Russian Kompromat dlk Sep 2019 #14
+1000000 Pachamama Sep 2019 #28
She's not the only one. Why won't he spill the truth? marble falls Sep 2019 #15
I'd say to him, Thanks for nothing, asshole! EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #16
Can You Say "Lobbyist"? NonPC Sep 2019 #17
A wonton display of kowtow bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #18
Mattis probably won't be invited back FakeNoose Sep 2019 #20
Why is Mattis even in the news? lunatica Sep 2019 #21
Seems he wrote a boring book that said nothing! madaboutharry Sep 2019 #22
Thanks! lunatica Sep 2019 #31
I remember that Seinfeld episode mercuryblues Sep 2019 #34
Just another Trump bootlicker Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #23
Great point. He has a platform, why is he so timid? Staying quiet is not being a good soldier. Pepsidog Sep 2019 #24
Mattis on NPR morning Edition this week, I felt he was weasly irisblue Sep 2019 #26
I'm annoyed at Mattis too Pachamama Sep 2019 #27
I listened to Mattis about 5 minutes and shut him off. What a putz!! riversedge Sep 2019 #30
Same here. Bunch of pablum redstateblues Sep 2019 #32
a Marine Corps friend of mine worked with Mattis at DOD lanlady Sep 2019 #33
Saw him on Tapper jcgoldie Sep 2019 #36

Siwsan

(26,257 posts)
1. Some truly misguided sense of loyalty to someone who is loyal to no one?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM
Sep 2019

I truly hope there is no dossier out there, on Mattis, that's being used as leverage.

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
2. I watched Mattis on Morning Joe and felt the same
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:02 PM
Sep 2019

He seemed not to want to criticize Trump because he was The President and his boss at the time he served. He gave me an uneasy feeling as if he was defending Trump in spite of all that Trump has done and said.

stopdiggin

(11,292 posts)
7. I don't know if it's loyalty, or hubris
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:15 PM
Sep 2019

I think I detect a degree of self-important gravitas in some of these guys (Mattis, Comey). Doing the "right thing" against all odds (and sometimes contrary advice). I don't call it humility when you are wearing your rectitude (and self-righteousness) on your sleeve so conspicuously. How can you be at all humble, when you are so clearly superior?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. sadly, many are still operating under a "pre Trump" mindset
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

where a Mattis quitting like he did would have been an explosive story. But, with Trump, it's just the 3rd or 4th biggest explosive story of the day.

Same with Mueller - when he sent a letter to Barr, some analysts compared it to Mueller standing outside of DOJ setting himself on fire - a huge story before the Trump Error, but barely registering these days.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
19. I think his reticence to criticize Trump is explained in this article...
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:04 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/james-mattis-trump/596665/

Short version: He's not going to say anything critical of the commander-in-chief for as long as he is still the commander-in-chief. Ask again after Trump is out of the WH.

RockRaven

(14,951 posts)
5. The last episode of the Rational Security podcast had a great rant about Mattis/this issue
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:12 PM
Sep 2019

by Susan Hennessy. She nailed him to the wall.

atreides1

(16,070 posts)
6. Mattis, like Kelley..
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:14 PM
Sep 2019

Is a toady...he didn't seem to have a problem making remarks when the sitting President was black!!!! Kelley got a job with a private prison company that is getting government contracts to lock up immigrants...Mattis "wrote" a book that basically says nothing at all!!!

Looks as if there is such a thing as ex-Marines, Mattis and Kelly are evidence of that!!!

snowybirdie

(5,222 posts)
9. Remember Pres. Obama
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:31 PM
Sep 2019

removed him from CentComm early because of his hawkish wish to invade Iran! Not a friend to progressives and Democrats.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
29. THIS ... is the explanation that best fits Mattis
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:36 PM
Sep 2019

and his tell nothing as tell all behavior. He isn’t about to provide Democrats with any bullets. We truly are the enemy within.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
11. Mattis acting cowardly shows why he held his position with trump for so long.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:10 PM
Sep 2019

He said nothing and watched him do this to our country. I lost respect for him a long time ago.

NonPC

(298 posts)
17. Can You Say "Lobbyist"?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:51 PM
Sep 2019

First, promote your book. Solidify your legacy. Make a few million dollars.

Then, get hired by a "law firm" or outright lobbying organization. Make more millions.

Hope that history will treat you right, even though your were a coward in the end.

FakeNoose

(32,617 posts)
20. Mattis probably won't be invited back
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:11 PM
Sep 2019

They get these guys on the talk shows because they're supposed to say something interesting. I don't know this for a fact, but I've often suspected that the guests were handed a script to go by, because the network doesn't want the screentime wasted if the guest doesn't say anything interesting. If Mattis isn't going to cooperate then they'll get another talking head on there that will. Andrea has enough clout, I would think.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
31. Thanks!
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:39 PM
Sep 2019

It makes one wonder where in the world did he get the nickname “Mad dog”

Did he crack a smile once? Was that it?

irisblue

(32,955 posts)
26. Mattis on NPR morning Edition this week, I felt he was weasly
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:33 PM
Sep 2019

Day 1 interview---https://www.npr.org/2019/09/02/756681750/jim-mattis-nations-with-allies-thrive-nations-without-allies-wither


Jim Mattis: 'Nations With Allies Thrive, Nations Without Allies Wither'

Day2-https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/756976562/a-leaders-job-is-to-set-the-vision-retired-gen-mattis-says

Both days interviews available online ~16 minutes total


A Leader's Job Is To Set The Vision, Retired Gen. Mattis Says

He is selling books and his honor




lanlady

(7,133 posts)
33. a Marine Corps friend of mine worked with Mattis at DOD
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 04:55 PM
Sep 2019

He said Mattis is a superficial intellectual & really not all that bright. He was deeply mixed up in the Theranos scandal and enthralled by Elizabeth Holmes' con artistry, which showed a total lack of judgment. Mattis would have given Holmes millions of dollars of our hard-earned tax dollars if not for the sharp WSJ reporter who caught on to her deceptions and exposed Theranos as a fraud.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
36. Saw him on Tapper
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:20 PM
Sep 2019

Buncha both sidesism... How about the president robbing military projects all over the country to fund a wall? "Weeeell... Congress and the president just can't agree on what the problem is..." and "the issue isn't one individual its political division that goes back decades... "

All he's doing is normalizing Trump's insanity.

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