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still_one

(92,144 posts)
2. Yes. There are events that can change everything. The assasination of JFK was another such event I
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:51 AM
Sep 2019

believe

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
3. yup - for the worse
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:18 AM
Sep 2019

Amazing how they so quickly morphed the enemy from 12 psycho Saudis to whole countries and regions and decades of unending violence. Something deeply deeply wrong with this country to allow this. And now Trump. What a shitty 20 years.

Takket

(21,562 posts)
4. I've always believed....
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:31 AM
Sep 2019

If Gore was president he would not have ignored the bin laden memo. And 9/11 wouldn’t have happened. I trace everything back to Florida 2000

still_one

(92,144 posts)
6. I agree. He also would not have ignored the Hart/Rudman report commisioned by Bill
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:38 AM
Sep 2019

Clinton warning about this, which Cheney through that report away


Response to Takket (Reply #4)

BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
7. Sure, but it wasn't the first.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:44 AM
Sep 2019

I think the Kennedy assassination was when we really lost the country. It only got worse from there. Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes and now this asshole. One thing led to the next step downward and no one did anything about it. No one was ever held accountable for any of this.

And frankly, I don’t think Тяцмр will be either.

still_one

(92,144 posts)
8. I agree, except to add there are quite a few times, and probably the most significant was the Civil
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:50 AM
Sep 2019

War

BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
11. Fair.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:51 AM
Sep 2019

But we had gone a hundred years on a somewhat “normal” path after that, improving slowly but surely. I think the Kennedy assassination put the MIC (and satellite oligarchs) in firm control and it’s only gotten worse since. And all to the detriment of our working and middle classes. Since then, the “conservative” movement has used the military and false patriotism to erode all the gains we had made as far as closing the income gap and other macro economic issues. Reagan (or rather his puppeteers) used his “strength” and “patriotism” to convince people to accept trickle down bullshit and his Republican successors have doubled and tripled down on it. W and Cheney were particularly egregious and disgusting in exploiting those things to the point where if you disagreed with them about anything at all, you were anti-American and pro-terrorism. Тяцмр (or rather his puppeteers) is doing very much the same thing except using immigrants as his main foil.

There are many turning points in our history but I think the killing of JFK really started the ball rolling to where we are now, on the brink of actual fascism.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
9. Yes. The opportunists saw it as their big chance to grab with both hands
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:52 AM
Sep 2019

The "new Pearl Harbor" they were wishing for.

The big chance to push their pet projects which they could never hope to bring off without alarm bells muting opposition.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
14. Very tragic time.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:16 AM
Sep 2019

It's sad that there were some willing to surrender their liberties for safety during those times.

Johnny2X2X

(19,045 posts)
15. We let the terrorists win
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:40 AM
Sep 2019

America is not recognizable from what it once was. We gave up our freedoms and are now in the process of giving up our Democracy.

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